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Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:44 AM

If we only eliminated all help to the poor

we wouldn't have any problems from the Sequestration.
No delays for private jets. Fix all the commuter rails from upscale suburbs to business districts. Have all the expensive lodges in the National Parks running with full staff. Make sure there are enough yacht berths. All farm and energy subsidies to agra-bussiness and big oil.

And never-never raise taxes on the rich.

All the important problems will be taken care of.

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Reply If we only eliminated all help to the poor (Original post)
edhopper Apr 2013 OP
madokie Apr 2013 #1
edhopper Apr 2013 #4
think Apr 2013 #2
edhopper Apr 2013 #3
MattBaggins Apr 2013 #31
edhopper Apr 2013 #32
RyanThomas Apr 2013 #36
SheilaT Apr 2013 #15
RyanThomas Apr 2013 #37
lpbk2713 Apr 2013 #5
JDPriestly Apr 2013 #20
Newest Reality Apr 2013 #6
edhopper Apr 2013 #7
L0oniX Apr 2013 #16
Cirque du So-What Apr 2013 #8
L0oniX Apr 2013 #18
Cirque du So-What Apr 2013 #22
beveeheart Apr 2013 #9
edhopper Apr 2013 #12
L0oniX Apr 2013 #14
Cirque du So-What Apr 2013 #23
edhopper Apr 2013 #24
Cirque du So-What Apr 2013 #25
beveeheart Apr 2013 #34
world wide wally Apr 2013 #10
edhopper Apr 2013 #11
SheilaT Apr 2013 #17
L0oniX Apr 2013 #19
Dragonfli Apr 2013 #21
world wide wally Apr 2013 #30
edhopper Apr 2013 #33
L0oniX Apr 2013 #13
BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #26
edhopper Apr 2013 #27
treestar Apr 2013 #28
edhopper Apr 2013 #29
HiPointDem Apr 2013 #35

Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:46 AM

1. You got it Ed

I'm sure there will be those who don't get it though

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Response to madokie (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:49 AM

4. I figured

if someone needed the emote on this they were a lost cause.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:47 AM

2. Then we could beef up the military too!

 

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Response to think (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:48 AM

3. Of course

there are probably dozens of useless weapons systems not being built.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 05:23 PM

31. We need those sharks with fricken lasers on their heads

useless my ass

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 05:26 PM

32. But they cost

ONE BILLION DOLLARS!

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Response to edhopper (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:04 AM

36. But teh defense contractors need them!1!!!

Think of the poor defense contractors!

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Response to think (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:23 AM

15. I'm not sure about this.

 

One problem is that too many of our enlisted soldiers are poor. They need food stamps. What's wrong with them?

Tell me I don't need the sarcasm or irony thingy here.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:09 AM

37. I'm sure the Free Market God (May the blessings of Saint Reagan be upon it) will help them.

Attempting to help them would no doubt be an attack on Capitalism and Democracy. Besides, if we just cut back on feeding them and providing medical care we might be able to scrounge up enough money to invade another country. The Czech Republic maybe? It certainly sounds like Chechyna.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:51 AM

5. Eliminate all the tax breaks for the wealthy and the megacorps.




We'd be living in paradise in no time.


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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:30 AM

20. The airport subsidies such as taxpayer funded air traffic control are all for the wealthy

and megacorps. People who work at McDonalds, people who earn minimum wage, fly very rarely if at all.

Middle class people fly occasionally but not often.

It's big business that uses the airports the most. Yet corporations do not pay the taxes that keep up our costly security and everything else related to air travel. Here is an article on the cost of airport security.

. . . .

Yet the TSA still commands a budget of nearly $8 billion—which is why the agency is left with too many officers and not enough to do. The TSA’s “Top Good Catches of 2011,” reported on its blog, did include 1,200 firearms and—their top find—a single batch of C4 explosives (though those were discovered only on the return flight). A longer list of TSA’s confiscations would include a G.I. Joe action doll’s 4-inch plastic rifle (“it’s a replica”) and a light saber. And needless to say, the TSA didn’t spot a single terrorist trying to board an airline in the U.S., notes Bruce Schneier.

According to one estimate of direct and indirect costs borne by the U.S. as a result of 9/11, the New York Times suggested the attacks themselves caused $55 billion in “toll and physical damage,” while the economic impact was $123 billion. But costs related to increased homeland security and counterterrorism spending, as well as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, totaled $3,105 billion. Mueller and Stewart estimate that government spending on homeland security over the 2002-11 period accounted for around $580 billion of that total.

Article dated Nov. 18, 2011

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-18/how-airport-security-is-killing-us

And from the right-wing CATO Institute, the admission:

In fiscal 2011, the FAA budget will be about $16.4 billion.1 Of the total, $9.7 billion will go toward "operations," which includes $7.6 billion for air traffic control operations, $1.3 billion for safety regulation and certification, and $0.8 billion for other functions. In addition, the FAA will spend $3.3 billion in 2011 on capital investments in ATC facilities, equipment, and research. Most of the rest of FAA's budget, about $3.4 billion, will go toward grants to state and local governments for airport investments.

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/transportation/airports-atc

That is only a tiny percentage of what was spent on food stamps last year, but food stamps keep people alive. If the FAA and airport security budgets were paid directly out of taxes on airline ticket sales and totally covered by those taxes, it would make a lot more sense.

If airport customers cannot cover the costs of flying, why encourage airport use? Why subsidize the travel of people who could afford to pay more? Many of the people who fly most frequently are the most enthusiastic about budget cuts. I'm sure they won't mind.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:56 AM

6. Yes,

it seems to be the right thing to do.

We need to get our priorities straight and stand together to eliminate poverty ... I mean the poor so that we can move forward without distraction or dissent from people who don't understand that they don't matter, the people who matter, matter.

It is so simple when you don't let stupid facts pollute your dedication to austerity for the good of the people who are more good and better important.

The Middle-class are becoming rather useless, too. So, everyone in that income range should do their best to sacrifice more and lower their expectations in a patriotic way.

Follow or get out of the way.


++Good!

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:00 AM

7. Well the three biggest aids to the middle class

Social Security, Medicare and a strenuous employment agenda (i.e domestic spending) need to be done away with or turned over to private enterprise.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:24 AM

16. We need to stamp out food stamp use too. Stamps are for mail not people.

 

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:16 AM

8. Oh, there would be short-term benefits, to be sure

but long-term, the 1% would have to start worrying about security whenever they venture outside their cloistered communities. Eventually, their concerns could possibly include getting murdered in their sleep - not that I advocate violence in any form. But I'd understand.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:25 AM

18. I'm sure Eric Prince will be there to help out.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:35 AM

22. Still, in the back of their mind...

they would constantly wonder if they'd hired the correct mercenaries or allowed 'undesirables' into their midst. Helluva way to live...or die.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:21 AM

9. What? Did I stumble on the Freeper

site by mistake?

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Response to beveeheart (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:30 AM

12. Read my signature

and figure it out

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Response to beveeheart (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:22 AM

14. You must have stumbled over yourself.

 

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Response to beveeheart (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:37 AM

23. And that's why we have...

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:46 AM

24. I know

but sometimes it ruins the joke.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:53 AM

25. Sometimes I use it, sometimes not

Your OP was so obviously that I hardly believed it was necessary...but there you have it.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:57 PM

34. Like you, I didn't think I needed it either.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:24 AM

10. So, when someone gets ALL the money.... Do they win?

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:29 AM

11. I think that

is the game.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:25 AM

17. WHAT?? Are you suggesting we live in

 

a giant game of Monopoly???

Interesting possibility, actually, since there are those who seriously contend we are actually living in a computer simulation, not the "real" Universe, whatever "real" means here.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:29 AM

19. Oh there ya go with that same ol quantum physics meme. Reality is being made as I write this too.

 

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:32 AM

21. So much poverty for so many - So much wealth for so few

The Game is nearly over, but the poor still have a few pennies left, one hopes that soon the rich will have those pennies and the poor will be no more. In the final round, the rich will have to eat the rind of their dying planet to extract whatever value might remain.

The game will end with a dozen of the wealthiest people the world has ever known drinking one last glass of champagne while standing on the corpses of the rest of humanity as the earth's ability to support our form of life flickers and is gone.

The last, wealthiest few, the wealthiest the world will have ever known will die winners, but what is the fucking prize?

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 05:10 PM

30. I guess that if the only people left are the Koch brothers and Donald Trump... then the Koch's

will have to eliminate the Donald because he has less money. Then the brothers will have to fight to the finish and decide a winner once and for all.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 05:29 PM

33. Back in 2008

during the Financial Crisis, with Goldman Sachs, Lehman and Bear sterns, that is actually how they played it out. With Treasury Secretary Henry Paulsen working to make GS the winner.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:20 AM

13. National Parks running??? WTF! Cut down those trees and start fracking NOW!

 

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:57 AM

26. Almost a perfect plan

 

But to avoid having to spend more on police and prisons, the poor must then be rounded up and shot. Not sure how much the burials will cost but the disposal process can be profitably contracted out. Perhaps bring in guest workers in to do the burials then hastily send them back across the border before they can poor the place up again?

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Response to BethanyQuartz (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:50 PM

27. Why bury them

when there is a more "final solution"?

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:52 PM

28. right wingers will tell me

If we eliminated all aid to the poor, they would pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They would get a job. If they could not find a job, they would invent one. You know, start a business.

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Response to treestar (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:55 PM

29. They probably believe if you pull up on your bootstraps

hard enough, you can levitate.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 12:02 AM

35. yes, the US would be guatemala. that would be fantastico!

 

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