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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 05:15 PM Apr 2013

"We Speak for the Bees"


Marchers Urge EU-Wide Ban of Killer Pesticides

"The organizers of the so-called "March of the Beekeepers" included Avaaz, Friends of the Earth, Buglife, Environmental Justice Foundation, Greenpeace, Pesticide Action Network UK, Soil Association and the group 38 Degrees.

"Ministers can't ignore the growing scientific evidence linking neonicotinoid insecticides to bee decline," said Friends of the Earth's campaigns director Andrew Pendleton. "Their claims to be concerned about bee health will ring hollow if they fail to back European moves to restrict the use of these chemicals."

He continued: "If we lose our bees and other vital pollinators it'll have a devastating impact on our food, gardens and environment. We urgently need tougher pesticide restrictions and a British Bee Action Plan to tackle all the threats they face."

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/04/26-2


As BeeKeepers, my Wife & I applaud these efforts!

Small Scale, decentralized, No Chem, Low Stress Bee Keeping may be one of the answers to the disappearing Honey Bees.

In 2006, we moved to The Woods, far away from AgriBusiness, Industry, and Suburban toxins and pollution,
for OUR benefit as well as our Bees.
Naturally, all of these toxins, as well as genetically modified crops are forever banned from our little hill top.
We have not had an incidence of CCD,
and our Bees seem healthy, happy, and stress free.

I post Bee stuff in the Rural/Farm and Gardening Groups if anyone are interested.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1182412

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"We Speak for the Bees" (Original Post) bvar22 Apr 2013 OP
thanks for your efforts. MFM008 Apr 2013 #1
It's such a small planet we have to live on. It has everything we need to live healthy lives. But sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #2
+Kindred Spirits. bvar22 Apr 2013 #3
'Sociopaths', yes, that makes it easier to understand, when you give them their correct sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #10
I think they believe that money will keep them safe hootinholler Apr 2013 #18
When I saw the headline here on DU, I immediately thought of you. truedelphi Apr 2013 #4
One Love! bvar22 Apr 2013 #7
as a old farmer- ruffburr Apr 2013 #5
Hi, old farmer. bvar22 Apr 2013 #8
BEEutiful! SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #6
This gave me a Buzz Brimley Apr 2013 #9
What a great post! Thanks! I'm very worried about the bee situation. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #11
Neonics refers to a class of pesticides that are especially toxic to Bees, Neonicotinoids. bvar22 Apr 2013 #13
20 yrs you say? And I've noticed the bees disappearing the last 20 yrs! Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #21
I knew you were partial to Honey Bees by your screen name (duh!) bvar22 Apr 2013 #22
Thank you! I live in the city but am from south La. and love nature. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #27
Neonicotinoid whttevrr Apr 2013 #14
You live in Arkansas? Aren't there a lot of meth labs there? Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #12
a lot of Meth Labs in Arkansas? bvar22 Apr 2013 #16
Sounds like someone was giving me a bull story. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #20
I'm sure there ARE Meth labs in Arkansas, bvar22 Apr 2013 #25
K&R G_j Apr 2013 #15
HUNNY! hootinholler Apr 2013 #17
Well, we HOPE so, bvar22 Apr 2013 #19
Mother Nature is sending us a warning Canuckistanian Apr 2013 #23
K&R 99Forever Apr 2013 #24
One problem I see is bee transportation hankthecrank Apr 2013 #26
You are right. love_katz Apr 2013 #28

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
2. It's such a small planet we have to live on. It has everything we need to live healthy lives. But
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 05:26 PM
Apr 2013

we have these monsters, and I mean that, like Monsanto among others, Oil Cartels, Commercial Chicken farmers, and so many more, who are willing to destroy it all, just for money.

What puzzles me is that THEY have to live here too, THEIR children will inherit what they are doing.

Thanks for the OP, Bvar, I am glad you found a small corner of the planet to let your bees live in peace. We too have done that. We are providing a small sanctuary for the animals, bees and other creatures to live the way they were supposed to.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
3. +Kindred Spirits.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 05:42 PM
Apr 2013

That is what keeps us sane these days.
Honey Bees, Frogs, Lightening Bugs, Earth Worms....
all are Canaries in the Coal Mines.


I have occasionally thought about the Titans of Industry and their lackey politicians.
I have asked myself, "Why are they doing this?"
Don't they understand that their children must live in this World too?"


An answer came to me one day.
The answer is, They do NOT care.

There ARE people that are THAT selfish and THAT self absorbed.
In most places, they are called Sociopaths.
In the USA, they are rewarded with positions of Power and Wealth.
Many are intelligent, "charming", and know how to Play the Game.
They have learned to say things like, "I feel your pain",
but they really don't.

That is the ONLY answer.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. 'Sociopaths', yes, that makes it easier to understand, when you give them their correct
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:52 PM
Apr 2013

title. Because it really is insane to do what they are doing.

I don't know if anything can be done to stop them. Because I believe they KNOW what they are doing, so explaining it won't help.

Still, the world has survived sociopaths in the past, but it seems that things have to reach a certain point before they are stopped. I guess we are not there yet.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
18. I think they believe that money will keep them safe
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:43 AM
Apr 2013

That only the little people will die and there will be a place they can go (like a Paraguayan compound) that will be safe.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
4. When I saw the headline here on DU, I immediately thought of you.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 06:03 PM
Apr 2013

Now why is that? In any event, thanks for getting the word out.

And how bout a Friday afternoon

ruffburr

(1,190 posts)
5. as a old farmer-
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 07:42 PM
Apr 2013

I have seen the decline over the years and believe that it is the beginning of a catastrophic demise of our growing cycles

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
8. Hi, old farmer.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:58 PM
Apr 2013

I peeked your profile,
and see you are in beautiful Northern California,
and listed the Desiderata under the "About" heading.
"Go placidly amidst the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in
silence..."


We share much,
including your forebodings about the not-so-distant future if the current trends continue.
Sometimes, I'm glad I'm old.


----bvar22 & Starkraven
Living well on a low "taxable" income & stuff we learned in the 60s.





Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. What a great post! Thanks! I'm very worried about the bee situation.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:56 PM
Apr 2013

In the last 20 years I've noticed the bees have gone away. I see some small "native" bees occasionally, but no honeybees any more.

I wish I could do something about that. Maybe one day.....

But the first thing the beekeepers should do is....use a word that people understand. Who in the heck would know what those signs mean? Neon...whatever.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
13. Neonics refers to a class of pesticides that are especially toxic to Bees, Neonicotinoids.
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 12:42 AM
Apr 2013
Neonicotinoids are a relatively new type of insecticide, used in the last 20 years to control a variety of pests, especially sap-feeding insects, such as aphids on cereals, and root-feeding grubs.

Neonics are systemic pesticides. Unlike contact pesticides, which remain on the surface of the treated foliage, systemics are taken up by the plant and transported to all the tissues (leaves, flowers, roots and stems, as well as pollen and nectar). Products containing neonics can be applied at the root (as seed coating or soil drench) or sprayed onto crop foliage. The insecticide toxin remains active in the plant for many weeks, protecting the crop season-long.

http://bees.pan-uk.org/neonicotinoids


This protest was across Europe,
and the general population in Europe is much better informed than the average American.
I believe the above photo was taken in London.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. 20 yrs you say? And I've noticed the bees disappearing the last 20 yrs!
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 06:21 PM
Apr 2013

More than coincidence?

I'm happy to say that I have an organic yard and rarely use anything organically toxic. When I have, it was topical and limited to a specific plant. But that was years ago. I've used garlic spray and such before. Suffice to say, my yard's a mess. But it's totally non-toxic! Any bird, squirrel, possum, bee, gecko, or my doggies can eat anything on or in my yard and not die, unless the non-toxic plant is for some reason toxic to them.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
22. I knew you were partial to Honey Bees by your screen name (duh!)
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 07:48 PM
Apr 2013

The Bees appreciate all you do for them,
and Starkraven & Myself do too.
I will tell our Bees that they have a friend in you.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
27. Thank you! I live in the city but am from south La. and love nature.
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:32 PM
Apr 2013

Bees represent something to me...pollination, growth, flowers, food. I also love honey, but now that I'm older, I curtail my intake of sugars (compared to my younger years)! I don't have diabetes or anything, but I don't want to get it.

whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
14. Neonicotinoid
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 12:58 AM
Apr 2013

I took it to mean a new nicotine compound. But it turns out the neo- is not for 'new', it is for neuro.

The stuff paralyzes insects.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. You live in Arkansas? Aren't there a lot of meth labs there?
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:58 PM
Apr 2013

Someone told me that. Meth makes move into the woods in AR, where the law is not likely to find them. He told me they're all over Arkansas.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
16. a lot of Meth Labs in Arkansas?
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 01:30 AM
Apr 2013

From what I hear in the Media, there are a lot of meth labs everywhere,
not just in rural areas. I would guess that Arkansas is no exception.

My Wife & I are active Firefighters with our rural Fire Department,
and my wife is the only Medical First Responder for over 60 square miles.
We get to see parts of the county and private property most others don't get to see.

While we have been notified to Be-On-the-Lookout for Meth labs,
have been trained in what to look for,
and what to do if we find one (Hazmat),
in our 7 years with this department, we haven't seen one yet,
none have Blown Up in our Fire District, or any neighboring Fire Districts in our county,
and we haven't received a single emergency medical call in our district from anyone suffering from the effects or side effects of Meth usage or manufacturing.

We would know.
We haven't found a Moonshine Still yet either.

Closer to town may be a different story,
but we still would have been notified about any Meth labs found in the county through the Fire Dept and Law Enforcement.

So, at least in this little part of the state,
I can testify with some professional certainty that Meth labs are not All Over the Place.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
25. I'm sure there ARE Meth labs in Arkansas,
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:09 PM
Apr 2013

but if they are in our little area, they are few and far between.

Our critters keep us pretty close to home,
and maybe in other parts of the state there is a more visible epidemic,
but I think those stories are mostly figments of the stereotypes of people's imaginations.

There are certainly remnants of "Deliverance" hiding in the dark corners of Arkansas,
and extreme poverty and ignorance as well as drugs are a problem everywhere,
but nowhere near as bad as some would like to believe.

We moved here from a Big Blue Northern City (Minneapolis) in 2006,
and had some preconceived notions of "Deliverance",
but the reality was nowhere near the TV fantasies.

We have had no problems assimilating,
and enjoy our neighbors, some of whom have lived here forever.
Giving respect goes a LONG way toward earning respect.






hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
17. HUNNY!
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:30 AM
Apr 2013

I'm just a little black rain cloud
Hovering over this hunny tree...

I hope that now the cause of CCD seems to be identified we can all come together to find another way and keep our pollinator pals.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
19. Well, we HOPE so,
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:45 PM
Apr 2013

but it is not 100% yet.

Most of us believe it is a number of Stress Factors in addition to the new, more powerful pesticides.

These other Stress Factors include:

*Climate Change

*The use of High Fructose Corn Syrup manufactured from Genetically Modified Corn
as "food" for high concentration Factory Bee Yards.
There is NO WAY that bee populations of this density, hundreds of hives per acre, can forage for their natural foods, so Factory bee Farmers feed their bees HFCS.
It is THESE commercial "Factory Bee Farmers" that you see on TV complaining about CCD.
They are usually standing in front of about 50 hives crammed into 100 square feet,and complaining that their Bees are leaving?
I wouldn't live there and be forced fed an unnatural food. Why should their Bees?

*Ever more toxic air

*The burgeoning population of pests like Varroa Mites that are intensified by the high Bee Density of Commercial Bee Yards, just like Humans when too many are crowded into small areas.

hankthecrank

(653 posts)
26. One problem I see is bee transportation
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:13 PM
Apr 2013

Some bee are moved around the country for different crops. When they are transported they are moved for days at time. Never given water. If cattle would be moved like that you would be required to stop and give them water. Why do we make bees suffer that way.. Bees also keep air in the hive at certain at humidity so they need extra water. I always feel sad for the bees that escape the nets. They have no home now.

Some places where the hives are put out have no water either. You would not treat livestock that way.

love_katz

(2,579 posts)
28. You are right.
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:19 PM
Apr 2013

Bees shouldn't be mistreated, any more than other farm creatures.

One of my favorite herbalists, Juliette de Bairacli Levy, wrote a book called "Herbal Handbook For Farm and Stable". It includes a section on keeping bees. Ms. Levy said bees should not even be robbed of so much of their honey that they have to be fed sugar as a substitute. I can just imagine how horrified she would be that commercial bee keepers are feeding them high fructose corn syrup.

She was a strong advocate of treating all creatures with kindness, and using herbs and natural methods and remedies for caring for them. She strongly condemned cruelty, greed, and harmful unnatural practices.

She said bees were consummate herbalists and should be treated with respect.

I really hope more people wake up, and quit supporting the poison merchants.

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