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alp227

(32,020 posts)
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:28 PM Apr 2013

US schools weigh bulletproof uniforms: 'It's no different than a seatbelt in a car'



Children demonstrate how to use bulletproof backpacks as shields in Aurora, Colorado. Photograph: Rick Wilking/Reuters

The pink bulletproof rucksack that 5-year-old Jaliyah wears to school every day reaches almost down to her knees and weighs 3lbs even when empty, but for her Colorado father, the size and solidity are part of the attraction.

"If you put it on her back, it almost covers her whole body," explains Demitric Boykin. "It was a very hard conversation to have but she knows that it's something that will keep her safe."

Lined with ballistic material that can stop a 9mm bullet travelling at 400 metres per second, the backpack is only one of a clutch of new products making their way into US schools in the wake of Newtown school massacre. As gun control legislation grinds to halt in Washington, a growing number of parents and teachers are taking matters into their own hands.

The Denver company that supplied Jaliyah's rucksack, Elite Sterling Security, has sold over 300 in the last two months and received inquiries from some 2,000 families across the US. It is also in discussion with more than a dozen schools in Colorado about equipping them with ballistic safety vests, a scaled-down version of military uniforms designed to hang in classroom cupboards for children to wear in an emergency.

Tensions are understandably high in this part of America. "I live in Aurora and the shooting here really hit home; it was a huge thing," says Boykin. The new mood, however, can be felt far from the scenes of recent gun violence.

Barry Tull, headteacher of Worcester Preparatory School in rural Maryland, has 80 ballistic shields deployed in his classrooms disguised as whiteboards and clipboards. Some teachers use them to assign homework, others lean them up against the wall, but most of Worcester's middle and high-school children know what they are for.

"Our teachers were concerned to begin with about whether they were expected to be first responders, but at least they feel they have something now as opposed to cowering in the corner with their kids," says Tull. "The former secret service trainers we had in showed us how they can deploy them; how to hold them in front of their body defensively or use them offensively where the teacher charges at someone with the shield as cover."

full: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/26/us-bulletproof-uniforms-gun-control
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US schools weigh bulletproof uniforms: 'It's no different than a seatbelt in a car' (Original Post) alp227 Apr 2013 OP
And this is what we have become. villager Apr 2013 #1
Along time ago. nt LWolf Apr 2013 #20
Violence in schools is down more than 50% from 20 years ago Recursion Apr 2013 #26
And you know what dad? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #2
God forbid we fucking disarm, nooooo. Robb Apr 2013 #3
Hey, it's new markets! silverweb Apr 2013 #13
Of course. Let us all now invest in 3M Robb Apr 2013 #16
You can bet that's how a lot of people are reading it. silverweb Apr 2013 #17
I'd be happy to disarm... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #34
Sniff, sniff. Yup. Robb Apr 2013 #35
The Guardian, they're making fun of us you know n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #4
Land of the free, Home of the brave ... GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #5
Thanks NRA and right wing gun nuts Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #6
No, wearing bullet proof clothing is a lot different from wearing a safety belt. nt ladjf Apr 2013 #7
So, school-children being massacred by guns is now considered normal and expected. arcane1 Apr 2013 #8
No, that was 20 years ago Recursion Apr 2013 #27
But then we can't forget their heads... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #9
yeah go all the way marions ghost Apr 2013 #30
Minnesota school district gets bulletproof whiteboards Eugene Apr 2013 #10
We're living in a fucking science-fiction dystopia! LongTomH Apr 2013 #11
"Homeland Security" has been bery, bery good....for some! WinkyDink Apr 2013 #12
Hey, some of this sounds like a damn good idea. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #14
No, you really wouldn't see any problem, would you? Pretty sad. (nt) Paladin Apr 2013 #15
Leaving aside the fact that it wouldn't, I doubt they'd be in most parents' budgets. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #23
Now we only have to hope the shooter doesn't have anything stronger than a 9mm Incitatus Apr 2013 #18
We need to protect schools as the strategic asset that they are badtoworse Apr 2013 #19
The Newtown killer shot his way through a glass door Fumesucker Apr 2013 #21
When I went to elementary school.... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #28
I remember those kind of windows on the doors in my school. newmember Apr 2013 #31
America has become a dystopia. Uzair Apr 2013 #22
Not really. Schools are the least violent they have been in at least 40 years Recursion Apr 2013 #25
20 years too late. That was the peak level of violence in schools. Recursion Apr 2013 #24
Yep, sell us more stuff Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #29
Maybe 150 mass shooting a year! Kids make up very few of them..... Logical Apr 2013 #32
Sign of the times usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #33

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
26. Violence in schools is down more than 50% from 20 years ago
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 10:28 PM
Apr 2013

If anything, we were a failed state back in the 1980s and 1990s and we've finally started succeeding.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
3. God forbid we fucking disarm, nooooo.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:31 PM
Apr 2013

No, let's get bulletproof vests for the kiddos!

Fuck new roofs, it's buckets from now on!!!

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
13. Hey, it's new markets!
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 04:06 PM
Apr 2013

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Isn't that the ultimate goal, anyway?

Gotta keep the market up for, you know, the profiteers.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
16. Of course. Let us all now invest in 3M
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 06:59 PM
Apr 2013

...or whoever will be best positioned to profit from skyrocketing kevlar sales.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
17. You can bet that's how a lot of people are reading it.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:09 PM
Apr 2013

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]The "investor class," who are good for nothing else.



 

Alva Goldbook

(149 posts)
34. I'd be happy to disarm...
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:17 AM
Apr 2013

...but you gotta get rid of the 2nd amendment first. Good luck with that. In the meantime, what's wrong with bulletproof backpacks or other things in the school that are bulletproof? Like, I dunno, maybe the glass on the front door?!?!?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
8. So, school-children being massacred by guns is now considered normal and expected.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:47 PM
Apr 2013

Yet we continue to blow sunshine up our own asses as "the greatest country in the world!"

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. No, that was 20 years ago
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 10:29 PM
Apr 2013

But those students were brown and poor and lived in inner cities so the media didn't cover that.

Violence is down. Schools are safer than they have ever been. This is ridiculous.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
9. But then we can't forget their heads...
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:49 PM
Apr 2013

...after all, you can get killed from a shot to the head.

I know! Let's get our kids Darth Vader outfits they can wear to school.

Sure it might put a crimp in their outdoor activities, but hey, they could sign waivers and go on the playground unprotected... if they want to and their parents agree.

Just think of the benefits: kids wouldn't tease other kids about their outfits. And no one would get bullied because everyone would be protected equally. And, no more flirting behaviors... this could be a real boon, especially when the kids reach middle school and high school.

Not to mention, making all those Darth Vader protective suits for all of our schoolchildren would mean JOBS!!!

The more I think about it, the better the idea seems.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
30. yeah go all the way
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:59 PM
Apr 2013

full protective suits.

Imagine telling young kids that somebody wants to come in your school and shoot you so you have to have protective gear. That is a real good way to warp people for life. Look what happens to those kids from war-torn countries. But stupid people think it's just fine.

Eugene

(61,884 posts)
10. Minnesota school district gets bulletproof whiteboards
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 03:54 PM
Apr 2013

Source: Associated Press

Minnesota school district gets bulletproof whiteboards

By Amy Forliti, The Associated Press

COLD SPRING, Minn. — A Minnesota school district where two students were killed in a 2003 shooting unveiled a new device Tuesday aimed at adding a last-ditch layer of safety for teachers and students: bulletproof whiteboards.

The Rocori School District has acquired nearly 200 of the whiteboards, made of a material touted by its manufacturer as stronger than that in police-issue bulletproof vests. The 18-by-20-inch whiteboards can be used by teachers for instruction and used as a shield in an emergency.

Police Chief Phil Jones demonstrated the whiteboards Tuesday in a school gym by leveling a karate kick at one, whacking it with a police baton and stabbing it with a knife — all with no apparent effect.

Jones didn't fire his gun at the whiteboard, saying it would have been unsafe and inappropriate at the school. But he said he'd tested it earlier by firing several rounds at it.

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Read more: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/24/17900647-minnesota-school-district-gets-bulletproof-whiteboards


LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
11. We're living in a fucking science-fiction dystopia!
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 04:03 PM
Apr 2013

Could you have even imagined this a few decades ago? What have we allowed them to do to us.....and why?

 

Alva Goldbook

(149 posts)
14. Hey, some of this sounds like a damn good idea.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 04:08 PM
Apr 2013

The ballistic shields sound like a really good idea. When I went to elementary school, we had shatterproof wire reinforced glass on the school to prevent people from breaking in. Why shouldn't we do this too? I totally agree that bulletproof uniforms is too much. They actually make bulletproof backpacks. I don't see what the problem with that would be if it saved lives.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
18. Now we only have to hope the shooter doesn't have anything stronger than a 9mm
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:18 PM
Apr 2013

and decides to shoot them through their backpacks.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
19. We need to protect schools as the strategic asset that they are
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:48 PM
Apr 2013

That means establishing a security perimeter prior to an attacker having access to the building. Regardless of more stringent gun control, schools will be vulnerabe for many years unless such measure are taken. Instead of using the children as a means to enact gun control that would otherwise be unachievable, we should be implementing metal detectors and ID checks to insure that the bad people don't get access. At the same time, we should be enforcing the laws we currently have.

With respect to other measures that might be taken (i.e. background checks, mag limits, etc.), I'd be flexible on those. Bottom line though is that I don't see it as a one way street where increments of civil rights vanish with nothing flowing in the other direction.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
21. The Newtown killer shot his way through a glass door
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 09:36 PM
Apr 2013

Have you looked at schools recently? They tend to have a lot of glass these days for a nice airy feel.

Short of putting bars on the windows how would you keep a determined attacker out of this building?

 

Alva Goldbook

(149 posts)
28. When I went to elementary school....
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 10:59 PM
Apr 2013

...we had wire reinforced windows. They were shatter proof. You couldn't break through them.

I'd like to see video of how Lanza got into that school. You don't need bars to keep nutcases out. But we could learn a lot about how Lanza got into the school if we were just able to see how he did it.

 

newmember

(805 posts)
31. I remember those kind of windows on the doors in my school.
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 12:04 AM
Apr 2013

That glass was a 1/2 inch to 3/4 of an inch thick with wire embedded inside the glass panes.

I haven't seen those in years.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
25. Not really. Schools are the least violent they have been in at least 40 years
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 10:25 PM
Apr 2013

And possibly longer, that's just as far back as we record school violence.

If the media is trying to convince you of something, that's a sign it's not true, and the media is definitely trying to convince us that we're awash in a sea of blood despite having historically low violent crime rates.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
24. 20 years too late. That was the peak level of violence in schools.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 10:24 PM
Apr 2013

Schools are currently safer than they have been since we started tracking them.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
32. Maybe 150 mass shooting a year! Kids make up very few of them.....
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 12:08 AM
Apr 2013

9000 people murdered with guns a year. Why don't all people wear vests?

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
33. Sign of the times
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 12:24 AM
Apr 2013

That's to be expected when we value our gun, drug, and soulless capitalism rights, over everything else, imho.

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