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kentuck

(111,089 posts)
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 07:44 AM Apr 2013

"Mystery" horse impregnates five mares on Bourbon farm

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/04/23/2612602/mystery-horse-impregnates-five.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop

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CENTERVILLE — As bettors and the general public study equine bloodlines to prep for their possible Kentucky Derby wagers, Bourbon County horse owner Marilyn Montavon is trying to solve a mystery that could cost her thousands of dollars.

On April 15, tax-filing deadline day, two new dependents showed up on her farm in the form of two foals — a colt born to the mare Goldie and a filly born to Mert.

The babies were a surprise to Montavon because she has no studs on her farm, and she hadn't bred the horses.

Then she noticed another newcomer making use of her pasture: a 3-year-old stud horse that she had not seen before. He'd apparently been busy, because at least five other mares were pregnant.

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"Mystery" horse impregnates five mares on Bourbon farm (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2013 OP
I have inside knowledge Cirque du So-What Apr 2013 #1
Must be the bourbon... nt babylonsister Apr 2013 #2
Candy is Dandy... n/t hootinholler Apr 2013 #13
... Scuba Apr 2013 #3
I know absolutely nothing about horse ranching, so I'm sure my ignorance is showing here. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #4
They can jump in and out of paddocks. Especially a horse looking for... Walk away Apr 2013 #7
So it may not have been an abandoned horse, as the article discusses? Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #11
It's the ghost of Secretariat ... kentuck Apr 2013 #16
That would not surprise me! Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #18
If you build it...no, that really doesn't work. randome Apr 2013 #29
I get it, sort of. LWolf Apr 2013 #8
So, routine vet checks would have caught the problem earlier? I wonder why that wasn't done. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #10
Call Maury Heather MC Apr 2013 #5
:-) kentuck Apr 2013 #6
Something similar happened when I was a kid. LWolf Apr 2013 #9
I have a friend who had no idea her horse was pregnant until she looked into the pasture one morning Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #12
Can you translate that gibberish for us city folk? LOL Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #19
That stallion should be saddled with foal-support payments Orrex Apr 2013 #14
lol Renew Deal Apr 2013 #22
haha treestar Apr 2013 #30
Whoa! Always trying to stirrup something, eh? Jackpine Radical Apr 2013 #33
+A kentuck Apr 2013 #36
It behooves us to review the impact of this horse's unbridled lust Orrex Apr 2013 #37
Why it's the Horse Messiah and the 4 horses of the Apocalypse! n/t hootinholler Apr 2013 #15
Hay ladies... Bosonic Apr 2013 #17
life finds a way--chaos theory dembotoz Apr 2013 #20
They should totally invole the lycene contingency Orrex Apr 2013 #27
Photo of Mystery Horse revealed! Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #21
Kick Renew Deal Apr 2013 #23
Father and son horses were up on a hill, looking down at a field of fillies... nt MrScorpio Apr 2013 #24
Let's run down there! kentuck Apr 2013 #25
Bingo! nt MrScorpio Apr 2013 #26
Jump the fence, and... n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #42
The young horse turned to the old horse and said.... n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #41
I thought Bourbon came from distilleries hootinholler Apr 2013 #28
I have a serious question, for once Orrex Apr 2013 #31
A wasted breeding season? Jackpine Radical Apr 2013 #35
Ah. Maybe I was thinking too deeply about it. Orrex Apr 2013 #38
The mare's owner now has to care for the unwanted foals. bklyncowgirl Apr 2013 #43
Just like a deadbeat dad. Wham, bam and then hoofin' it out of there. randome Apr 2013 #32
I blame the mudder Orrex Apr 2013 #34
So a mare with a dead foal in utero has no way of delivering the dead foal without dying? Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #39
Abdominal surgery in horses is always difficult--this may have been too far gone. bklyncowgirl Apr 2013 #44
Lady horses- just say NAAAAY! nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #40

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
4. I know absolutely nothing about horse ranching, so I'm sure my ignorance is showing here.
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:07 AM
Apr 2013

But if you are raising thoroughbreds in KY horse country, how do you NOT know you have an extra horse? Especially since the gestation period is 11 months? That stallion has been around for at least a year - how could she have missed it?

I read the article and I still don't understand her excuse.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
7. They can jump in and out of paddocks. Especially a horse looking for...
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:15 AM
Apr 2013

a little nookie! My Thoroughbred used to try to convince the other horses to go for a run with him by jumping in and out of his paddock and showing them how it's done. None of the others even tried.

He might have been in for a visit and back home in his barn a few days later or even that night.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
11. So it may not have been an abandoned horse, as the article discusses?
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:45 AM
Apr 2013

If a male could have jumped the fence to visit the females, and then returned back to his own place later, then it could very well be a neighboring horse, rather than an abandoned one. If they do the DNA testing, they may be able to figure out who the foal daddy is.

kentuck

(111,089 posts)
16. It's the ghost of Secretariat ...
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:57 AM
Apr 2013

...galloping thru the meadows at night, leaping fences and trees, to get what he most enjoys...

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
18. That would not surprise me!
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:59 AM
Apr 2013

Secretariat was one of a kind, and this is coming from someone who knows squat about horses. Although I did read the Seabiscuit book.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
8. I get it, sort of.
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:21 AM
Apr 2013

She pays someone to take care of the horses. She doesn't care for them herself. I'd hope, if someone were taking care of my horses, that they would know how many I had and what they looked like. That they'd know the difference between a stud, a mare, and a gelding.

I also wonder why it wasn't discovered earlier. Do they not catch these horses up periodically for worming, vaccination, and hoof care?

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
10. So, routine vet checks would have caught the problem earlier? I wonder why that wasn't done.
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:43 AM
Apr 2013

It sounds like both she and the caretaker dropped the ball on this. The caretaker should have been more aware of what the animals were getting up to, and overall she should have been a more involved owner.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
5. Call Maury
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:12 AM
Apr 2013

Seabiscuit you are NOT the father.


And the audience screams

omggg I just knew that horse was the baby daddy.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
9. Something similar happened when I was a kid.
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:26 AM
Apr 2013

Back in the 70s. It started with my mare, who seemed a bit too rotund; we had her vet checked and she was in foal. At the time, the place I boarded her said it must have happened before we got there. The eventual foaling proved that wrong. That, and the 2 other foals that were born at about the same time to mares in the same pasture.

It wasn't a mystery for long. There were some weaned foals pastured with these mares. The weanling colts were, at some point, pulled out for castrating.

One of them was a little older than the rest, and precocious. His earlier foaling date had slipped their minds.

It wasn't a mystery stud that just showed up and managed to stay invisible for a year.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
12. I have a friend who had no idea her horse was pregnant until she looked into the pasture one morning
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:48 AM
Apr 2013

and saw the little newborn. She just thought her horse was getting fatter, and the thought of her being pregnant never crossed my friend's mind. They never found the guilty party, either - it remains a complete mystery to this day, 30 years later.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,326 posts)
19. Can you translate that gibberish for us city folk? LOL
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 09:01 AM
Apr 2013

Just kidding. I think I can pick up some of it. I speak a little horse-y from watching Gunsmoke, The Rifleman and Bonanza.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
33. Whoa! Always trying to stirrup something, eh?
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 09:34 AM
Apr 2013

Like that's your mane function wither or not we try to rein you in. You curry no favor with us, not a bit.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
27. They should totally invole the lycene contingency
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 09:25 AM
Apr 2013

Quick! Before these horses rampage across the countryside and start eating lawyers on toilets!

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
21. Photo of Mystery Horse revealed!
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 09:02 AM
Apr 2013

We do know that this horse is Co-owned by Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor however they couldnt be found at the time of this photograph



Orrex

(63,208 posts)
31. I have a serious question, for once
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 09:28 AM
Apr 2013

I know nothing about the economic aspect of horse breeding, so perhaps this is obvious, but why will this cost the owner thousands of dollars? Do these births reduce the economic value of subsequent "pure" births? If so, then how?


Thanks!

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
38. Ah. Maybe I was thinking too deeply about it.
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 09:40 AM
Apr 2013

I thought that it was a matter of compromised purity, or whatever, but what you're describing makes perfect sense.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
43. The mare's owner now has to care for the unwanted foals.
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 12:26 PM
Apr 2013

Unless they can find out who the abandoned stallion is and it turns out he's a registered Thoroughbred, those babies will not be eligible to race. That reduces their value and also increases the amount of time that she'll have to hold on to them and feed them before she can sell them at something that comes close to breaking even.

If they were Thoroughbreds, she could send them to one of the yearling auctions where Thoroughbred breeders send potential race horses. As grade horses, which basicly is what you call an equine mutt, they may make very fine riding or show horses but you won't know that until you start to train them at about age three. That's three years of feed, farrier and vet bills and unless she can do the job herself, training fees.

Now, she seems to be someone who loves her horses, so sending the foals to slaughter will probably not be an option so she's right--this will cost her.

Bearing an unregistered foal will not reduce the mare's future breeding potential.

If I was her I'd fire the caretaker--and sue the stallion's owner if he or she can be found.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
44. Abdominal surgery in horses is always difficult--this may have been too far gone.
Thu Apr 25, 2013, 12:27 PM
Apr 2013

We are talking about thousands of dollars and a very high likelihood of failure.

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