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Ex-Madoff attorney named chair of N.Y. ethics panel
4/22/2013
By Joseph Ax
NEW YORK (Reuters) -" Daniel Horwitz, a partner at the boutique law firm Lankler Carragher & Horwitz in Manhattan and one of Bernard Madoff's defense lawyers, was appointed chairman of the state's political ethics watchdog on Monday by Governor Andrew Cuomo."
"The commission, known as JCOPE, was created in 2011 as part of a sweeping ethics-reform package signed into law by Cuomo. It regulates government ethics and lobbying for state legislators, legislative and executive branch employees, and political candidates, as well as lobbyists and certain party officials."
"Horwitz donated $4,250 in campaign funds to Cuomo from 2006 to 2010, according to state records."
Is it just me, or is it all one big good ol' boys club?
anotherone
(8 posts)The ol' boys' club indeed! Self described Democrats love them; just like they love Michael Taylor or Eric Holder.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)to a very turbulent D.U. at this time!
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)defense lawyers are as guilty as the parties they represent.
We also know that a whopping $4,250 in campaign donations over a six-year period is suspicious in the extreme.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)... is a lot more potentially valuable than a palty $4,250, I agree.
(sarcasm duly noted)
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)I've never seen any indication that Horwitz was involved in Madoff's shenanigans.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)However, I do feel someone who defended Madoff would be the last person I would want in charge of any ethics commision. You do understand why I might feel that way, don't you?
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)I don't understand.
Perhaps you could explain it for us.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)RudynJack
(1,044 posts)because your position doesn't make sense to me. Are defense lawyers inherently unethical?
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)without over-dosing on smilies, I guess you really have nothing to say.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)
are "CONFLICT OF INTEREST". Just like surrounding yourself with Wall Street bankers after they crashed the economy and ripped off massive bailout fuinds and gave themswelves bonuses with it. Conflict of interest - I'm supposed to expect someone who was a lawyer for thhe biggest Wall Street croook in history to look out for ethics? Puhleeze.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)He's also defended killers, so then we really shouldn't trust him! From what you're saying the lawyer must be unethical since his client is...that means he's a potential killer at any minute!
If he was truly a bad choice, you'd have more to point to than just that he was Madoff's lawyer.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I just don't think that trickles down to the lawyer. Everyone deserves a good defense lawyer. Defending someone that's unethical doesn't mean the lawyer is unethical.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Good defense lawyers are the backbone of civil liberties. No insult intended to them.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)A lawyer who represents drug dealers couldn't contribute his time/skills to a drug rehab center because he's as guilty as his clients.
A lawyer who represents clients charged with spousal abuse couldn't serve on on a committee devoted to spousal abuse prevention, because he's as guilty as his clients.
A lawyer who represents clients charged with rape couldn't serve as counsel to a rape crisis center, because he's as guilty as his clients.
Okay, gotcha.
What you don't know about how the legal system works is a lot.
When you are charged with offenses as serious as Madoff was, you retain the best lawyer you can afford. That doesn't make your lawyer complicit in your crimes. It doesn't even make your lawyer sympathetic to your plight. He is paid to provide the best defense he can; that's his job. And doing that job is not reflective of a lawyer's personal feelings, nor demonstrative of an inability to see things from varying perspectives.
According to your 'reasoning' - or complete lack thereof - any lawyer who defends anyone of any crime is to be seen as forever being "on the side" of those who commit those crimes, as well as being complicit in the crimes themselves.
You might want to educate yourself about the legal system beyond watching a couple of episodes of L&O. You might actually learn something.
marybourg
(12,631 posts)because the lawyer is not implicated in the client's behavior. The lawyer's interest in the defense is in furthering the interests of justice by insuring that the charged person has adequate representation. There is absolutely no conflict between this and serving on an ethics panel. Your logic error is in confounding the client's actions with the lawyer's.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)If he hasn't then why shouldn't he be on an ethics board? Is it just the fact that he was Madoff's defense lawyer? Everyone deserves a good defense lawyer. The lawyer isn't guilty of the crimes their clients commit.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)and it's just an opinion, that the accusers and accused all seem to move in the same circles. That's all.
marybourg
(12,631 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)I was Ponzied by Bernie Madoff!
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)and thanks for pitching in! Hope Frodo is well!
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)He's in for life or 150 years.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)[img][/img] Our old house has been replaced for a small fraction of the cost of the one we owned (along with the bank). It is 1/3 the size but so are the heating bills. I lived for 50 years before I heard the name Madoff. We have survived the ponzie without getting any of the money back. I'm seriously planning to white my autobiography. Heaven help those who have deliberately hurt me in my life.
I intend to tell the truth, all of it.
One heck of a whammy, tammy!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)"conflict of interest".
marybourg
(12,631 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)move along
Leslie Valley
(310 posts)Franklin brought Joseph Kennedy to Washington D.C. to run the new SEC and clean up the securities industry.
Some asked FDR why he had tapped such a crook.
"Takes one to catch one," replied Roosevelt