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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:38 PM Apr 2013

If Tsarnaev is tried, found guilty and sentenced to life, here's where he'll spend the rest of his

life. My bet is he'll get the dp- which I'm opposed to in this case as I oppose it in all others, but the dp might be kinder than this:

The United States Penitentiary, Administrative Maximum Facility (ADX) is an American federal supermax prison for male inmates located in Fremont County, Colorado.[2][3] It is unofficially known as ADX Florence, Florence ADMAX, Supermax, or the Alcatraz of the Rockies.[4] Part of the Florence Federal Correctional Complex, which is operated by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, a division of the United States Department of Justice, it houses the inmates in the federal prison system who are deemed the most dangerous and in need of the tightest control.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Supermax

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If Tsarnaev is tried, found guilty and sentenced to life, here's where he'll spend the rest of his (Original Post) cali Apr 2013 OP
I suspect he will cop for the Stockholm Syndrome. F.Lee Bailey was able to get a light DeadEyeDyck Apr 2013 #1
Patty Hearst didn't kill 4 people Trajan Apr 2013 #4
So, you do not think it is possible for a teenage kid to be totally mentally inundated by a brother DeadEyeDyck Apr 2013 #7
It doesn't matter to me. He wasn't kidnapped and held Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #13
It's not that it isn't possible.. Pelican Apr 2013 #18
He's not a kid. He is an adult. And his actions show some pretty depraved indifference to kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #19
Well, it is too late for the Twinkie defense. DeadEyeDyck Apr 2013 #9
Life imprisonment works for me if found guilty. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #2
I thought about this Sienna86 Apr 2013 #3
It would require a tremendious pipoman Apr 2013 #8
I had the opportunity to visit USP Florence pipoman Apr 2013 #5
Its a simple life he will live. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #6
I bet the hmeless would love that simple life. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #10
Except for the you-can-check-out-anytime-you-want-but-you-can-never-leave part... aikoaiko Apr 2013 #14
Homeless families are living in their cars...if they are lucky to have that. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #15
Looks like a room on a ship or Amtrak. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #12
Nope, Amtrak rooms are much smaller. RebelOne Apr 2013 #16
Was that trip fun? I've seen ads for Amtrak travel trips... Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #20
Wow. Some really evil men in that facility. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #11
I know they will try like hell to get the DP, but I don't think it will play... hlthe2b Apr 2013 #17
Supermax inmates are in their cells 23 hours per day. mn9driver Apr 2013 #21

DeadEyeDyck

(1,504 posts)
1. I suspect he will cop for the Stockholm Syndrome. F.Lee Bailey was able to get a light
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:42 PM
Apr 2013

sentence for Patty Hurst. One could easily argue that he was under total control by his Islamic handlers and his brother.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
4. Patty Hearst didn't kill 4 people
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:45 PM
Apr 2013

nor injure and maim some 175 innocent human beings ...

There is no way he will succeed with a Stockholm defense ... no way ....

DeadEyeDyck

(1,504 posts)
7. So, you do not think it is possible for a teenage kid to be totally mentally inundated by a brother
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:57 PM
Apr 2013

whom he adored? I can't guarantee that that will be the defense but if I was a betting man, I might lay some money down.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. It doesn't matter to me. He wasn't kidnapped and held
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:15 PM
Apr 2013

incommunicado for a long time, where the kidnapper deprives the hostage of all privacy and social interaction, and there is even sensory deprivation. I've read that's part of Stockholm Syndrome.

That's not the case here, as far as we know. It doesn't matter if he "did what his big brother wanted him to do."

Even if he hadn't planted a bomb himself, and walked away coolly, if he had participated in any way, he could be found guilty of the crime nonetheless. Isn't there a law that when you participate in a crime that results in death or harm to another, the perps are all equally guilty?

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
18. It's not that it isn't possible..
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:16 PM
Apr 2013

I just don't care.

Once you sign up with someone to kill and maim you deserve the consequences.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
19. He's not a kid. He is an adult. And his actions show some pretty depraved indifference to
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:31 PM
Apr 2013

human life, plus the whole terrorism angle.

They can try it, but it won't work. Americans are stupid, but not that stupid.

Sienna86

(2,149 posts)
3. I thought about this
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:45 PM
Apr 2013

When I was watching the news regarding the missing alleged bomber, after his brother had already died. Knowing what I know about the Supermax, I think suicide would have been my personal choice, had I been him. He's a young guy, and the thought of spending the rest of my life there would be unbearable.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
8. It would require a tremendious
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:00 PM
Apr 2013

amount of adjustment. There may be some who could learn to deal with the solitude. The younger a prisoner, the more adaptive...reality of the situation sets in and they deal with it..most find some level of enjoyment of life..at least not suicidal hatred..

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
5. I had the opportunity to visit USP Florence
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:48 PM
Apr 2013

ADX and MAX a few times..he will go there. Such an interesting history of that area of CO..Prisons set in beautiful landscapes and few windows out. Prisoners in ADX get 30 minutes per day and can only see the sky. The Royal Gorge close by, a place only upstaged by the Grand Canyon for the overwhelming vastness and feeling of freedom...

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
14. Except for the you-can-check-out-anytime-you-want-but-you-can-never-leave part...
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:20 PM
Apr 2013

...its decent enough.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
15. Homeless families are living in their cars...if they are lucky to have that.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:34 PM
Apr 2013

This would be a step up.

No humor intended.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
16. Nope, Amtrak rooms are much smaller.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:47 PM
Apr 2013

I took Amtrak from Miami to Philadelphia. It was a compartment and sort of a large closet. In fact, the bed folded down over the toilet. So I think the cell would be a lot roomier.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
20. Was that trip fun? I've seen ads for Amtrak travel trips...
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:37 PM
Apr 2013

they look like a good way to see the country.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. Wow. Some really evil men in that facility.
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:10 PM
Apr 2013

What a horror for the world if those men are able to mass escape. It would be absolute mayhem and pure torture for a lot of innocent people.

hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
17. I know they will try like hell to get the DP, but I don't think it will play...
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 10:06 PM
Apr 2013

I'm in no way defending him, but I think the DP for the older brother would have been a given... I strongly suspect enough mitigating circumstances (including his age) will be presented so that he will be convicted but receive life.

I just don't see him coming across to a jury like a Tim McVeigh--remorseless and in charge of making all the decisions.

mn9driver

(4,425 posts)
21. Supermax inmates are in their cells 23 hours per day.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 12:22 AM
Apr 2013

When they are let out for exercise, they are not permitted to interact with anyone except their guards. Within a few years, he will be quite mad. A sad waste of a life.

That being said, I don't really care. He gave up any right to a non-hellish remainder of his life when he set that bag down and walked away.

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