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undeterred

(34,658 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:01 PM Apr 2013

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was shot in the throat and cannot speak

according to this report; but he was supposedly swearing like a sailor in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.


As of Sunday, the FBI was still unable to interview 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was injured Friday while on the run from police, Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis told CBS-TV's "Face the Nation" program.

Boston Mayor Tom Menino said authorities don't know if they will ever be able to question Tsarnaev.

http://news.msn.com/us/surviving-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-awaits-charges

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/21/us-usa-explosions-bombing-menino-idUSBRE93K07K20130421

Another question: The back yard he was found in was less then a mile from the firefight that police had with he and his brother the night before. Yet it was outside the zone of where police searched. Why wasn't it one of the first places police searched???

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Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was shot in the throat and cannot speak (Original Post) undeterred Apr 2013 OP
Makes one wonder who benefits if he can't talk... OneMoreDemocrat Apr 2013 #1
It is probably attempted suicide. FarCenter Apr 2013 #2
It's probably best to conclude outright that there's a nefarious conspiracy and coverup Orrex Apr 2013 #3
Lol! NealK Apr 2013 #22
yes, I think that is wise. Schema Thing Apr 2013 #26
He may also have suffered brain damage from blood loss jberryhill Apr 2013 #5
I didn't even think of that. undeterred Apr 2013 #11
If so, considerable rehab is going to be required jberryhill Apr 2013 #12
He was OK enough to climb out of the boat under his own power B2G Apr 2013 #32
Tinfoil alert. nt MOTRDemocrat Apr 2013 #7
Is there anything in your world that isn't a nefarious conspiracy? nt Codeine Apr 2013 #8
Whoa--we both used the phrase "nefarious conspiracy" Orrex Apr 2013 #9
Mossad sends me the talking points Codeine Apr 2013 #10
Kudos. You made me laugh! KittyWampus Apr 2013 #24
Agree. I don't see why he could't write or type answers at some point cleduc Apr 2013 #4
Remember Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy? jberryhill Apr 2013 #13
In the photos of the arrest I've seen cleduc Apr 2013 #18
Ah - but that's the brilliant part bhikkhu Apr 2013 #16
I'm going to assume you just opted not to use the "sarcasm" smilie. Otherwise ... 11 Bravo Apr 2013 #35
what if the only hand sign he will give is "fuck you"? Schema Thing Apr 2013 #27
As I said in my original post cleduc Apr 2013 #28
A guess: they don't yet know if he is brain damaged but the speaking issue flamingdem Apr 2013 #6
Thats true - undeterred Apr 2013 #14
It's possible that he cannot speak because of swelling or because he needs surgery flamingdem Apr 2013 #15
Or because he's currently intubated and sedated B2G Apr 2013 #33
Why wasn't it one of the first places searched? NotThisTime Apr 2013 #17
No, I'm not from around there so I don't know. undeterred Apr 2013 #19
Everyone is assuming that he hid there immediately, too. randome Apr 2013 #20
Well, you know what they say when you are looking for something. Jamastiene Apr 2013 #21
He can write and I assume he knows how to use the computer. jwirr Apr 2013 #23
I don't understand this logic Bad Thoughts Apr 2013 #25
The only way is if he's brain damaged super badly cleduc Apr 2013 #29
Seems reasonable jberryhill Apr 2013 #31
He climbed out B2G Apr 2013 #34
I'm not sure cleduc Apr 2013 #36
Of course they can question him. cwydro Apr 2013 #30
 

OneMoreDemocrat

(913 posts)
1. Makes one wonder who benefits if he can't talk...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:04 PM
Apr 2013

and just 'cause he can still type, write, etc., etc., doesn't mean he ever will or that his writings won't get 'deleted' or 'misplaced' somehow.

Orrex

(63,210 posts)
3. It's probably best to conclude outright that there's a nefarious conspiracy and coverup
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:08 PM
Apr 2013

Wouldn't want to have to wait for such niceties as "facts" or "information" before we jump!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. He may also have suffered brain damage from blood loss
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:09 PM
Apr 2013

If you are shot in the throat, and the carotid artery is damaged, you might survive with immediate attention, but there is going to be a high risk of brain damage.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
32. He was OK enough to climb out of the boat under his own power
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:20 PM
Apr 2013

And reports said he was alert and responsive when he arrived at the hospital.

For the mayor to come out this soon and say he may never be able to answer questions is, well...odd.

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
4. Agree. I don't see why he could't write or type answers at some point
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:08 PM
Apr 2013

if his tongue is too messed up and he's willing.

Heck, he could even squeeze hands for yes/no type answers.

Naturally, he'd have to be in good enough shape medically to do so which may well be questionable at this point with tubes/drugs/wounds reportedly getting in the way.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. Remember Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:21 PM
Apr 2013

If he suffered massive blood loss from the neck, his brain was drained of blood and it may be a long time before he can communicate anything to anyone by any method.

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
18. In the photos of the arrest I've seen
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:33 PM
Apr 2013


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I don't see a ton of blood loss from the neck/mouth area though the photo is obviously not the greatest. As well, the ambulance photo didn't have them all over his head at the time.

I realize overall from his other wounds, he was weak from blood loss but he was able to get up for that boat photo so it wasn't massive at that point.

Therefore, I have some doubts about brain damage being likely

bhikkhu

(10,716 posts)
16. Ah - but that's the brilliant part
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:28 PM
Apr 2013

his statements can now be written for him, and all he has to do is sign them! Or even better - on the pretext of testing his motor skills or something, he could be signing multiple blank sheets right now, to be filled in later by nefarious types!

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
35. I'm going to assume you just opted not to use the "sarcasm" smilie. Otherwise ...
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:34 PM
Apr 2013

with all those voices, how crowded is it inside your head?

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
27. what if the only hand sign he will give is "fuck you"?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:13 PM
Apr 2013


iow, he'd also have to want to communicate.
 

cleduc

(653 posts)
28. As I said in my original post
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:36 PM
Apr 2013

"if he's willing"

That's the whole thing with Miranda often overlooked with Miranda concerns. Whether they give him a Miranda warning or not, it's up to the suspect whether he answers any questions.

In this case, there has to be significant doubt whether he'll say anything anytime soon - even if he's healthy. Whether he wants to trade that for a life sentence or a death sentence, that's probably his only bargaining chip I can think of offhand.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
6. A guess: they don't yet know if he is brain damaged but the speaking issue
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:11 PM
Apr 2013

is null. If his brain isn't damaged then he can communicate by writing.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
14. Thats true -
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:22 PM
Apr 2013

The media have just given two very different pictures: one of someone who is swearing out of control and another of someone who is injured in such a way that they will never be able to speak again.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
15. It's possible that he cannot speak because of swelling or because he needs surgery
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:27 PM
Apr 2013

with medical advances I bet he can speak at some point.

As long as he has thumbs he can text and I bet he is very good at that!

NotThisTime

(3,657 posts)
17. Why wasn't it one of the first places searched?
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:28 PM
Apr 2013

You obviously don't know how dense the housing is it that area, the lots are extraordinarily tight with many double or even triple units additionally.... they knocked on tens of thousands of doors for hours, what more can you ask, he got lucky, one block outside the perimeter.....

It was reported early on he had a gunshot to the neck, whatever surgery they had to do we don't know....

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
20. Everyone is assuming that he hid there immediately, too.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:39 PM
Apr 2013

He may have been somewhere else for most of the search period and then made his way to the boat later.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
21. Well, you know what they say when you are looking for something.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 12:43 PM
Apr 2013

You always find it in the last place you look.

My guess is they did not know he was there until someone called and told them he was there, at least, based on reports so far.

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
25. I don't understand this logic
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:10 PM
Apr 2013

Factoring out that he is a criminal and a terrorist, why can't you communicate with someone who cannot speak? Are the deaf and mute unreachable from the larger society?

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
29. The only way is if he's brain damaged super badly
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 01:46 PM
Apr 2013

which was not indicated when he stood up in the boat to surrender.

Or if he's since become brain damaged such that he can't recall - his memory is damaged - which is again unlikely given his condition at the time of surrender.

If he was unconscious from blood loss at the time they apprehended him, that might have been a different story.

But he stood up after exchanging gunfire, lifted his shirt, surrendered and they got EMS personnel to promptly bandage him and give him oxygen on his way to the hospital. And when he got there, he was never graded as being in critical condition. He was always graded as being in serious condition. The pics of him don't show massive blood loss. A major blood loss that could affect his brain probably would have had him in critical condition for a while.

And we didn't see an ambulance screaming off to the hospital after his arrest - to stem major blood loss. They casually just cruised with the motorcycle escort to the hospital.

That's some conjecture on my part but it's based upon known facts and visual observations.

The impediment to his speech is probably the reported wound to his tongue & throat and less likely to have something to do with his brain/major blood loss.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
31. Seems reasonable
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:16 PM
Apr 2013

I'm not familiar with the details of his condition at the time of apprehension.

After he stood up in the boat, how did they get him out of the boat?

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
36. I'm not sure
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:35 PM
Apr 2013

I've just seen still pics of him up and then down on the ground being cuffed and checked out - no video of that part

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
30. Of course they can question him.
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:05 PM
Apr 2013

He can write can't he? I'm sure he can use a computer.

As long as he is not brain dead, I'm quite sure they will find a way to question him.

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