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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, the spying on every single American by the NSA never did point the bombers out...
Everyone's phone calls, e-mails, tweets and electronic communications in the files of the NSA didn't warn the government that people were planning to bomb the Boston Marathon.
Or at least we don't know if all if that data has pointed to someone planning to bomb the Boston Marathon, one way or the other.
However, the Boston Marathon was, in fact, BOMBED and in spite of that, the NSA still continues to collect phone calls, e-mails, tweets and electronic communications on EVERYBODY.
If this shows that an overly-intrusive national security state doesn't keep us all safe AT ALL, I don't know what does.
BainsBane
(53,093 posts)It's also possible the bombers were careful with such communications.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Millions of people live within 100 miles of where this is happening.
They are wearing explosive devices, and THEY started the chain of events with a robbery
then a carjacking.
Thank God for cameras. We need millions more on every single street in the nation.
I thought transparency is a good thing? All of a sudden transparency is not liked?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I don't think the people in NYC on 9-11 found it all very funny or mentioned boring movies from decades ago.
Remember the person who wrote the book was the 1%er and made a fortune off of it.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 19, 2013, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)
terror=scaring someone
I cry for the officer who has been killed.
This is not a movie and we are not in a theatre.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)NT.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Would you have a link? Because Google News is moving too slow.
Rex
(65,616 posts)in an edit here.
EDIT - You know what? That thread OP has no link and I just searched google for, 'CBS: Police say 7-11 robbery apparently unrelated to bombing suspects' and found ZERO...so I am unsure now, I thought the OP had it linked to CBS.
IOW, it might not be true.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Paul E Ester
(952 posts)performance art that goes on here, picture Rushbo going online and creating an alter-ego. Sort of like cross dressing politically.
I find it fascinating when people like syria girl blogger turns out to be a hairy white guy. LezBeFriends another white guy. People create and maintain personas one has to take it all with a grain of salt.
#neckbeards #trolls #momsbasement
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)If you don't know the difference, then I suggest that you post all of your personal information in this thread.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)In fact, I never picked a gun up in my life.
So much so, that as a kid, in an innercity summer camp, had my parents specifically write a note telling the camp that I am not allowed to use their rifle range or bow and arrows.
Parental permission was needed.
BTW, except for one two minute incident in 4th grade, I have never thrown a punch.
though I used to throw a wicked fastball, but the coach wouldn't think of having me on the team. I was never part of a clicque and alas, high school and junior high school coach's only take part of cliques. So I bowled.
And I am lefthanded.
So my penmanship is bad, because a lefty tends to smudge ink.
At least I know cursive writing.
Today they no longer teach it it seems.
randome
(34,845 posts)The ones who are only too eager to engage in pointless arguments with you appear, to me, to have bullying issues.
He's blithering.
The best response, then, is to not respond instead of piling on. Mind you, I'm not defending anyone here, just calling it as I see it.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)with people you agree with are bullying.
Thanks kettle.
randome
(34,845 posts)The others, I'm sure, know the difference between 'honest disagreements' and 'ridicule' but may not realize when they are engaging in the latter.
Those are the ones I directed my post to. Just calling it as I see it, same as you.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Totally missed the point, as usual.
And I said personal info, not life story.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You sound a wee bit hysterical. If you want to live in an authoritarian society, I can point out some for you to look over.
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freeridemro
(9 posts)Cameras, drones, metal detectors, communication monitoring, all of it everywhere. If we don't have complete surveillance, we have no surveillance
Ezlivin
(8,153 posts)Then something's wrong with our security level.
Right?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Additional security has not made us more safe.
It is a panacea that only fosters an increasingly authoritarian state.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)progressoid
(50,000 posts)Apophis
(1,407 posts)Yee haw!
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)surely it must be countless attacks!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and assume you are.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)This is HUGH!!
MOTRDemocrat
(87 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)cameras and microphones in every room in the country. After all, a million tons of prevention is worth a nanogram of cure.
msongs
(67,462 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)which is why a reinterpretation of the 2nd is going to happen.
After all, who would want a private citizen to have a drone or shoulder to air missile.
That would be telling.
djean111
(14,255 posts)to prosecution, finding out who the two were working with, etc. May uncover more terrorists who cannot erase data trails now, hopefully already collected.
You cannot find a needle in a haystack, generally, until it reveals itself, whether it falls out by accident or pokes you in the butt or stands out in some way.
It is helpful to be able to see who put the needle into the haystack, though.
Tortuous analogy, forgive me, but I don't think we have the resources that Tom Cruise had in Minority Report - a pool full of mystics.
Not excusing the lack of privacy at all - just saying the data is likely very useful after something happens.
tomp
(9,512 posts)a sane and humane foreign policy.
Orrex
(63,234 posts)Wait--I mean saddest, because it's 100% correct and has 0% chance of coming to pass.
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)But I don't know if we have tried all the stupid ones yet.
Norrin Radd
(4,959 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Response to MrScorpio (Original post)
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blackspade
(10,056 posts)To 'protect' them.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)It's what Americans DO in these situations.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I guess there are a few people who actually believe that, but I don't know... it doesn't seem possible, but so many people believe so much crazy shit that's blatantly false.
randome
(34,845 posts)OWS? They shut themselves down. Anyone else? Freedom fighters in jail? Dissidents squashed? Anyone?
I'm not talking about cases of mistaken identity. That happens all the time regardless of what tools are used.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)It's about you and I. It's about who's boss. You think you can talk to whoever you want about whatever you want just because you should be able to? Not anymore.
randome
(34,845 posts)No one has stopped me. I'm not afraid of anything I say and I hope you aren't, either.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)You no longer have any privacy. Once you say the wrong thing or talk to the wrong person, they'll know... if they decide to pay attention.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)they already know about, or fear.
Two punks plotting murder and mayhem? Not so much, until they actually do it.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Then Jokar and his big bro could be playing XBox right now planning their next bombing.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)The data collection effort is not there to predict shit. It's there so they can take apart shit when they find it. Now that they know who they are, they can reconstruct their stays here.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)These were almost literally the ticking time bombs used to justify warrantless wiretapping *and* torture.
I refuse to believe that our leaders have just been fishing, because that would indicate a level of lies and hypocrisy incompatible with democracy, wouldn't it?
I have a feeling the spying is used more for political blackmailing etc.. than to monitor the working class.
ecstatic
(32,751 posts)They're not monitoring anyone. Maybe there was an unannounced moratorium on spying.