Note: ALL gun owners support the NRA.

[Robb]

"I'm a gun owner, but I don't support the NRA" is a statement with precisely zero truth to it.

Yeah, you can say you don't support their mission, but guess what: you've probably already sent them money.

If you've ever owned a Smith & Wesson, congratulations! You helped them give the NRA more than $1 million last year!

If you've ever owned a Beretta, congratulations! More than $1 million!

If you've ever owned a Ruger, congratulations! More than $1.2 million!

Browning? DPMS Panther Arms? FNH? Glock? H&R? Marlin? Remington? SIGARMS? Midway USA? Springfield Armory? Pierce Bullet Seal Target Systems? Cabala's? Crimson Trace? Taurus?

Yeah baby! Plus $21 million per year in ad sales for its magazines!

But no, you don't really support the NRA. I mean, what control do you have over how a corporation spends its money, right?

[brooklynite]

1. So, no liberals have ever gone to CURVES?

...or slipped into Walmart for a pair of socks?

[madmom]

2. When some on here tried to make the exact same argument

regarding the catholic church, it was shot down immediately.

[progressoid]

19. Yup. n/t

[Shrike47]

3. We own numerous guns, bought none new or from a dealer.

Whatever money went to a gun manufacturer happened decades ago.

[tularetom]

4. If you've ever bought a gallon of gas you support the fundamentalist kingdom of Saudi Arabia

Yes, I am a gun owner and no, I most definitely do not support the NRA.

A few dollars of mine may have found their way into the NRA coffers but that has probably been offset by the cost of printing and mailing umpty thousand of their solicitations for donations and paying the return postage on all the empty envelopes I sent back.

I'm not sure what your point is but I sleep very well at night.

[samsingh]

10. i like that strategy of sending back empty envelopes!!

[cthulu2016]

6. And all Democrats support civilian drone deaths... blah, blah

This is a truly ridiculous argument you're making.

[cynatnite]

7. Let's see how much you support China, Saudi Arabia, and Tawain...

Start checking the labels of your clothes, where you buy your gas. See where your computer is made or where the parts of your car came from.

You'll find you support a lot of corporations that and countries that you'd rather not with your logic.

Geez.

[badtoworse]

8. In the running for most banal post of the year

[cherokeeprogressive]

9. I always wonder if people pull muscles

twisting themselves into such tightly wound pretzels.

[premium]

11. This is what I think of this tripe,

[Bake]

12. More gun grabber bullshit.

Robb, you ought to know better than that.

Bake

[DainBramaged]

26. Gun grabber?

Why are you still here?

Amazing. No one wants to grab your fucking guns. Just like Senator Cruze KNOWING he was lying claimed the background checks would cause a gun registry, NO ONE WANTS TO GRAB YOUR FUCKING GUNS.

Just stop supporting the NRA, it that too much to ask? Apparently it is.

[Bake]

34. I don't support the NRA

And if you read Robb's posts, he (and others here) would like to ban ALL gun ownership. So stop saying "NO ONE WANTS TO ...", because that's patently false.

And I'm here because I'm a DEMOCRAT.

Bake

[DainBramaged]

39. Revel in your gun grabbing paranoia

I sure won't share it.

[Bake]

47. It's not paranoia when posters here explicitly state that's what their goal is.

Now, it would be paranoid if I believed that might ever happen. But I'm fairly confident it won't.

Not all Democrats agree on this issue. I favor, in fact, reasonable gun control -- I supported the bill that failed yesterday, even though it did not go far enough.

Bake

[XRubicon]

13. Great post, we need to drag the manufacters through the mud

They hide behind the NRA.

Some negative press would add some pressure to compromise.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

25. All police and military go through private manufacturers.

There are no government-owned firearms manufacturers.

[XRubicon]

42. And... Im not following you...

My point is gun manufacturers are never mentioned, the NRA is their buffer for criticism. I would like to see their names on the news, I'd like to see their executives called to testify in public.

If you are implying that they would cut off supplying the government, then I'd say you need rethink the whole Ayn Rand fantasy world you live in...

[Nuclear Unicorn]

43. You mean you want to harass them and treat them like criminals.

And then what? Why would anyone put up with that?

And some manufacturers are refusing to sell to NY and other states because of recently passed laws.

[XRubicon]

44. Yes.

You should look for the Ayn Rand underground and join up.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

48. Ayn Rand has nothing to do with it.

So, you use the government to act all thuggish. Then what?

[XRubicon]

50. Then they burn their own factories to the ground and go into hiding...

If only she was right.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

52. But, as I noted, the government buys from private manufacturers.

[XRubicon]

54. Does your mom know you are on the internet and not studying for 8th grade finals?

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Capitalism and greed are much more powerful than your preteen morality thinking corporations have some kind of sense of right and wrong and that they will side with you.

The government won't have a problem spending it's money.


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[Heywood J]

57. Not entirely true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Island_Arsenal

Established as both an arsenal and a center for the manufacture of leather accoutrements and field gear, today it provides manufacturing, logistics, and base support services for the Armed Forces. The Arsenal is the only active U.S. Army foundry, and manufactures ordnance and equipment, including artillery, gun mounts, recoil mechanisms, small arms, aircraft weapons sub-systems, grenade launchers, weapons simulators, and a host of associated components.[4] Some of the Arsenal's most successful products include the M198 and M119 towed howitzers, and the M1A1 gun mount. About 250 military personnel and 6,000 civilians work there. The 2000 census population was 145.

[Marrah_G]

14. You support child labor and sweat shops

If you are typing on an electronic device.... you are supporting them.

If you buy food at the supermarket you support child labor, slave labor, worker abuse.

See, we could do this all day!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MOTRDemocrat]

15. Yep.

Especially the ones that run out and purchase them every time the newsletter copywriters think of a new scary adjective to use about the federal government.

[morningfog]

16. Rec!

[Lizzie Poppet]

17. By that "reasoning," we all support drone strikes agaisnt Afghani children.

Well...all of us who pay our federal taxes, anyway.

[Robb]

20. What federal penalty applies if you do not purchase a firearm?

Tell us, O Master of Reason.

[hootinholler]

18. Only a dingbat would seriously make that arguement! n/t

[HomeboyHombre]

22. I assume this is just a shit-stirring post.

Most gun owners do not support the NRA. Most gun owners do not contribute to the NRA. Most gun owners do not support the goals of the NRA.

Corporations are free to donate money to whom they want, just as I am. Buying their product in no way means that one supports their political cause.

[DainBramaged]

23. I WON'T SHOP AT WALMART, I put my money where my cause is

you want purity, don't buy a gun that supports the NRA, it's that simple. Then you can sit there and type shit at us.

[HomeboyHombre]

58. Wow, fly off the handle much?

I DON'T shop at WalMart and haven't for more than a decade, mainly because they aren't unionized.

I buy used military guns from places that aren't countries anymore like Czechoslovakia, so I in no way support the NRA, even indirectly.

Did that little tirade make you feel all smug and superior?

We're supposed to be on the same side here . . .

[cali]

24. oh bullshit. that's like saying if you've ever baked tollhouse cookies made with Nestle chocolate

chips you've helped kill babies in Africa.

Posts like yours are embarrassing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/may/15/medicineandhealth.lifeandhealth

[aikoaiko]

27. Please keep posting this type of OP.

Please.

[NightWatcher]

28. If you've ever bought a gallon of gas, you've supported Saudi royalty

And since the Saudis have beheaded women....., Geez Robb, how brutal of you.

[REP]

32. It's worse than that

Everyone's probably taken Bayer aspirin.

And you know what else Bayer used to make, right?

[datasuspect]

35. IG Farben

BASF predecessor, made Zyklon-B

[REP]

37. Which Bayer was part of; Allies broke it up post WWII

IG Farben was founded on December 25, 1925 as a merger of the following six companies: BASF (27.4 percent of equity capital), Bayer (27.4 percent), Hoechst including Cassella and Chemische Fabrik Kalle (27.4 percent), Agfa (9.0 percent), Chemische Fabrik Griesheim-Elektron (6.9 percent) and Chemische Fabrik vorm. Weiler Ter Meer (1.9 percent).

I'm a former typesetter who's used Agfa equipment, so I'm extra-awful.

[datasuspect]

38. and those cute vw bugs?

vehicles fuer DAS VOLK!!!!!

aiiiyyyeeeeee!

[REP]

41. Und Hugo Boss - fashion for fascists!

[snooper2]

29. And YOU are supporting the NRA by drving traffic to their website with your link

Way to Go!

[cali]

30. it would be easy to keep this up for the next decade or more.

[mokawanis]

31. The gunners really hate this thread

Can't stand to admit their guilt by association. I don't know why. In a complex consumer society it's almost impossible to avoid spending money on products made by corporations that use their profits in ways we wouldn't approve of. Consumers on the left, right, and center all do it to some degree. It's just that most of those corporations don't give money to the NRA. So yeah, when people buy guns they're ensuring that the NRA will continue to receive donations from the manufacturers. Why deny it? Why deflect the argument by mentioning gasoline or Nestle Cookies?

[tritsofme]

59. So how exactly is pointing out flawed logic denial?

[mokawanis]

60. Because buying a gun from the manufacturers who financially support the NRA

means you play a role in their contributions to the NRA. You buy a Ruger and Ruger gives some of their profits to the NRA. While your role in that equation is pretty small, it's unrealistic to deny that it happens. You can counter that when I buy paper towels manufactured by a subsidiary of Koch industries I'm putting a small amount of money in the hands of people who fund right-wing asshole politicians, but it's a deflection that doesn't change the original point.

[tritsofme]

61. Except it is not deflection, it demonstrates the original point is completely meaningless.

What is the distinction between your actions providing marginal funding to the Koch Brothers, NRA, or Saudi royalty?

[hack89]

33. OK - so I will only buy used guns through private sales.

if that is what it will take to make you happy.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

49. You mean the ones without background checks?

[hack89]

53. Rhode Island has universal background checks. So no. nt

[datasuspect]

36. "PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE"

"STEP AWAY FROM THE INTERNET"

[RZM]

40. Yes. And pot smokers support the drug cartels

What a stupid argument.

[The Straight Story]

45. And you supported killing kids with drones via taxes. Congratulations! (nt)

[Robb]

46. What federal penalty applies if you do not purchase a firearm?

[Logical]

51. It is sad when I cannot tell if this is a joke or not. Major fail. n-t

[hack89]

55. It is not a joke. Still a major fail. nt

[Ghost in the Machine]

56. Sorry, but Robb is still a Dingbat! Proven further by this post.. ALL of my guns were bought USED...

... from friends, or friends of friends, who needed money for food, diapers, pay the rent or electric or some reason. I bought one from a friends father, who was dying from cancer and needed money to pay for his medications. He didn't need the rifle any more because.. well... he was dying. Sadly, two months later, he lost his battle and passed away. I'm just glad I was in the position to be able to help his remaining time be as pain-free as possible. After he passed away, his daughter brought me a shotgun one day and gave it to me. She said her dad wanted me to have it for helping him out when no one else could or did.

MY money didn't support the NRA, it helped a dying man have a little better quality of life in his final two months.

Peace,

Ghost