Scan and frisk may be a better solution to urban gun violence

[FarCenter]

In Gun Battle, NYPD Blue Tests a New Technology

Last week, the NYPD acknowledged that it's been testing a new technology that will allow police to detect guns carried by criminals without using the typical pat-down procedures that have long been used. A scanner sitting within a truck or out on the street can detect terahertz radiation that's given off by human bodies or by inanimate objects. The T-rays, as they're sometimes known, pass through just about everything but metal. The NYPD said it's worked with the Department of Defense and the London Metropolitan Police on the technology.

"Basically, everyone emits terahertz radiation," Kelly said on Sunday about the process. "We've tested it. We've just received the latest prototype. It's too big for deployment in a reasonable way... But we're getting there. We're encouraged. We hope to be using it at least experimentally in the next six months."

Read more at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/01/28/In-Gun-Battle-NYPD-Blue-Tests-a-New-Technology.aspx

[graham4anything]

1. Cool! This is what I have been in favor of for many years. ALL GUNS can be taken off the street

Once a reinterpretation, then security like this nationwide can rid the streets of bullets and guns.

I 100% back this.

NO private citizen needs one bullet.
If every one is gotten rid of, the gun disabled, then the collectors can have it back to hang on their walls.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

6. I can see it now...Bloomie demands a ban on clothing that interferes with the scanners

that he and his other 1%er friends sell to NYC and are profiteering from

The countermeasures for this are very simple...

[bowens43]

2. To end gun violence ban guns and ammo. It's not rocket science

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. Much like banning alcohol and cannabis ended their misuse, amirite?

[aikoaiko]

3. Interesting.

So they'll be measures terahertz radiation emitted by people and not propelling energy at then and watching it bounce like an x-ray. In a way its not that much different from public cameras.

On the other hand, I wonder if this is more like police walking around with long-distance microphones listening to people's conversations.

Brace new world.

[FarCenter]

4. Correct, it is like a camera that uses a different wavelength of light

Terahertz would be between microwaves and very long wavelength infrared. It is basically the low end of heat radiated by the body.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

12. IR camera exterior "searches" of houses are controversial

Not sure where that stands today in the courts (is a warrant required).

When you are out in public, you have no recourse about your picture being taken, so I think its use would hold up court. However monkey wrenching it will be quite easy, provided the tech is even allowed in court. It took DNA years to be considered suitable evidence so how long before THz is going to be considered sufficient probably cause.

I expect that Bloomie and others who profit from the machines will push this hard and do stupid things like trying to outlaw countermeasures like metallic clothing. Its what the 1%er and TPTB do.

Civil rights anyone?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

5. It will work for about 90 days after the first court case

In it, the prosecutor will have to establish a legal basis for why it would constitute probable cause for a stop and frisk. During that portion of the trial, the entire tech would have to be laid out and its strengths and weaknesses discussed. After that countermeasures would immediately be created and even become stylish.

Also consider that cops are mostly tech stupid. They operate radar guns but have no idea how they work. The corps making and selling the machines will have to build the recognition into the machines. It will have a tolerable error rate in the demonstrations but will clear fail in the field.

Of course then Bloomie could try and ban metallic clothing.

[graham4anything]

7. The Supreme Court ruled NY states gun laws are 100% legal and permanent.

ergo, they will agree with this.

BTW, who will your doppleganger be when either Christine Quinn or Hillary's associate husband Weiner becomes mayor in a few months?
Bloomberg will be continuing to oust all pro-NRA candidates.

Right on!

Modern security for the modern age.

Meanwhile how many children a day will continue to die?
35 a day from violence from guns. 50 a day gun suicides
100s injured
1000s of family members a day mourning

Thank God for Michael Bloomberg and Andrew Cuomo passing the toughest gun laws in the nation, adn Thank God the NRA lost big time yesterday, Thank God for Harry Reid not listening and that 60 instead of 50 is needed

Because the Cronyn amenment would have overturned NY/Calif/Ill tough gun laws.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. Actually they did not...

Look more closely at what was being challenged in that case. Others are coming for the latest round of legislation.

Bloomie will be moved to the ash heap of history soon enough. His current position protects him from many criticisms. When just a private citizen I expect more 1%er shit from him and he will be further marginalized.

You can only buy so many votes before the people catch on.

[graham4anything]

9. People have caught on to the NRA. President Obama made it 100% clear yesterday.

the fatal flaw LaPierre made was going public himself (and he did so because none of the people he blackmailed would have said what he did.) Before he hid behind the curtain and dolled the illegal dollars.

The great thing about Bloomberg is-he is NOT running for any office after he leaves the mayor.

He is pure on this issue to all of America.

Of course those for guns and the NRA hate him.

But the strategic Time Magazine cover with Joe Biden and Gabbie Giffords clearly shows he is part of President Obama's team.

The NRA finally has met its match. He will dollar for dollar outspend them

And clearly, what President Obama said yesterday was known and written with 2014 and 2016 and 2018 and beyond.

Shame so many more kids will die or be wounded in the interim.

More legislation in years to come, will be on a NEW supreme court.
4 to 5 justices will change in the next 11 years.

Some wars take years.

After all, the NRA has had decades of lead time to do what they did.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

10. Your 1%er fixation and love of strawmen continues to amuse

Please continue

[graham4anything]

11. Why are guns and bullets so important to private citizens? Why don't they give them up?

If people are addicted to cigarettes, there is help for them.
If people are addicted to substances, they go to AA or rehab
If people are in cults, there are innerventions to save them

If no one had a gun, no gun would be used to kill or harm or accidentally do such.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. Hunting, sport, and self defense are the obvious ones

We have a problem with violence in our society, though the numbers are going down while gun ownership is rising. Despite that, levels remain much higher in the black community and GLBTs are also more frequent targets. Address that and most self defense owners will stop carrying and buying weapons. Until then, a growing number of people are not going to give up their weapons nor vote for those who would take them away or restrict their utility.

Just because you do not like guns does not make them an addiction or a cult.

[graham4anything]

19. debunked, debunked, debunked.

The Mafia? a puny gun cannot stop the mafia. They will just avenge any death a few days later.
Losing ones wallet is better than losing ones life.
Hobbies? Collect stamps.
Hunting? Bow and Arrow.

When one plays mini golf they get a club and ball and return them
Same can be done at shooting galleries.

A baseball player during the season keeps his bats and equiptment locked up with the team.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

20. Only in your head...

People who own/carry for self defense are not doing it because of the Mafia. Gay bashers and home invasions maybe but not because they are afraid of Tony Soprano's boys.

Shooting is in the winter and summer Olympic games. Deal with it.

Try and use a bow and arrow to hunt out west where a deer is normally a 250 yard shot at minimum.


As usual your myopia and limited experience coupled with your hate destroy your arguments.

[graham4anything]

26. Glad that you are 100% for Gay marriage and 100% citizenship ASAP, like I am.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

28. That is pretty centrist of you

I am much more radical. I think any consenting adults who want to enter into a legal marriage should be able to including polyandry. I think that churches should not be allowed to perform legal marriages, but people should be free to have any religious ceremony they want. That gets the churches out of being an agent of the state.

Not sure what you mean by 100% citizenship ASAP. The US has some of the most liberal citizenship laws in world, but they certainly could use some work.

I am much more radical that you have any clue.

[graham4anything]

31. I love the machine in the OP. It is a wonderful forward moving out of the box invention

and the NRA folk said it couldn't happen.

[premium]

13. What's funny is that his hero, Mike,

has a lower favorable rating then Ron Paul.

Rand Paul-12%
Michael Bloomberg-7%

Say a lot about Mike.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

16. What is your source? I would like to cite it.

[premium]

18. Right here.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/12/17720984-poll-women-outpace-men-in-support-for-stricter-gun-laws-immigration-reform?lite

Just click on results of full poll and it comes up in PDF form, scroll down and you'll find it.

Sorry, I meant to say Rand Paul.
I'll edit my original post.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

22. Thanks

[graham4anything]

21. That poll is basing national people like Paul,the BFF to David Duke, with local people

It's a stupid poll, being that most in the country never heard of a NY mayor.
Same as people never heard of Charlie Crist or Kirsten Gillibrand or Elizabeth Warren or Brit Marling.
They are local people
apples to oranges

Whereas Hillary has favorables in the high 60s and Michelle has favorables in the 70s

[premium]

24. You're seriously going to say,

with a straight face, that most of the country hasn't heard of Michael Bloomberg, Charlie Crist, Elizabeth Warren?

The fact is that your Michael Bloomberg has a lower approval rating than Rand Paul, no matter how much you try to spin or deny it.

[graham4anything]

27. So, I think the OP is great. I talked about this 9 months ago and was told it was impossible

Why not stop with getting away from the OP and return to the OP.

Because I know the NRA would hate it.

But SCOTUS said all NY state laws stand.

This will too.

And it could be initiated nationwide under the war on terror.
Thank God for that if it happens.

BTW-months and months ago, I talked of a machine like this, and the NRA folks said impossible, it don't exist.

hee hee

it's here!!!

So once again, I was ahead of the crowd.

As Benjamin Franklin said "AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE"

[premium]

29. SCOTUS did not say that all NY guns laws stand,

all they did was not take the case at this time, they're probably just waiting for it to wind it's way through the Federal court system.

[graham4anything]

30. Soon there will be a new Scotus. This court has ended taking any new cases.

In the next 3-10 years, the 5 to 4 will change.

The Scalia led court will be finished with just ONE change.

But the OP is about this wonderful FORWARD movement, changing the whole game.

Inventions and science are a wonderful thing.

[premium]

32. Uh huh.

It figures that you would like more intrusiveness into our lives, that's what you and Mike have in common.

I'll leave you now with your fantasy of a new court re-interpreting the 2A.

[graham4anything]

33. Guns and bullets killing 35 violently a day infringes on the basic right of LIFE.

[Recursion]

14. Hmm... airports do this, DU flips the hell out. Cops do this on the street, DU applauds

The word "gun" seems to shut off people's thought here, sometimes.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

17. I find it deplorable when that kind of thing happens

The support for 1%ers like Bloomie because they do what we like on one issue and ignoring his wholesale abrogation of civil rights in other areas is astounding.

[graham4anything]

23. I like the airport security. 9-11 hasn't happened again. Please don't say all when I disagree.