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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho do you prefer: Barack Obama or Ronald Reagan?
Obama? Me too. But every now and then, something tells me I oughta be a Gipper man.
(It'll only hurt a little to watch)
Of course Obama never funded terrorists or compared those terrorists to the Founding Fathers, so you gotta learn to be balanced about these sorts of things.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
FSogol
(45,481 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
one_voice
(20,043 posts)ppr and ass kicking!
madokie
(51,076 posts)Ass kicking needed
Bucky
(53,998 posts)Just double checkin'
indepat
(20,899 posts)9 imo.
leftstreet
(36,107 posts)Lilyeye
(1,417 posts)Their facebook page asked people to choose between President Obama or President Reagan and the majority are voting for Reagan. People are saying he was the best President who ever lived and that the 80s were the golden years of prosperity. I cringed reading those comments considering this country is still suffering from polices enacted in the 1980s.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Good one
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Dutch was the worst, in more than one field.
Boomerproud
(7,952 posts)the reality. No president did more psychological harm than Ronnie. I also refuse to watch the vid to hear that syrupy voice. Grrrr.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)Though Reagan would have been labeled a RINO by today's teabaggers.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Bucky
(53,998 posts)Again, Obama doesn't fund terrorists. Big difference.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Though Obamas chief point was that Reagan in 1980 put us on a fundamentally different path which may be historically undeniable the Democratic presidential candidate went further, justifying Reagan's course correction because of all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s, and government had grown and grown, but there wasnt much sense of accountability.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Then we would know for sure who the trolls who need to head on back to FreeRepublic are.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Reagan's puppeteers started all this trickle down bullshit but NO ONE has ended it. We've just been getting deeper and deeper into Reaganism as we go along, to the point where our Democratic President is overall further to the right than Reagan was. Our Democratic Party is the party of Reagan's corporate policies now and the Republican Party is for flat out Christofascism. There is no FDR or pro-labor party anymore.
What's your choice? Death squads or drones? Tax cuts or
tax cuts? More government spending and government jobs or less of both?
There's no answer to your question really. Obama is more Reagan than Reagan. It's a worsening disease.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Here's the history of it
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/cbb.html
You see the cap was increasing even before Reagan, although it was flat from 1937-1950.
The real value of the cap in 2013 dollars increased from $73,165 in 1980 to $88,544 in 1988, but it was also growing before Reagan, being just $62,324 in 1974.
The real thing Reagan did was increase the payroll tax, it was 6.13% in 1980 and 7.65% by 1990 (although some of those increases may have come from laws passed before Reagan was President) and the tax increase on the self-employed was huge. Those job creators saw their tax rate go from 8.1% in 1980 to 15.3% by 1990, almost a 90% increase, and on top of the increases in the cap. http://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/taxRates.html
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)the reagan admin *accelerated* already scheduled payroll tax increases. also began taxation of benefits, cut some benefits (such as the college education benefit for children of SS beneficiaries), and raised the retirement age.
i.e. reagan cut benefits and raised taxes.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)that he would lose.
His whole scheme was the same one followed by Bush: to drive up the deficits to unheard of levels, and then to use them as an excuse to hack away at social programs. Social Security was always on his list. Fortunately, Reagan didn't succeed.
But Bush took over, handed out massive tax cuts while he started two unfunded wars, accrued massive deficits, and seems to be succeeding where Reagan didn't: in convincing a significant number of Americans that Social Security may be a problem.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)a kennedy
(29,655 posts)The 90's are up next..... Wow. "The Last great Decade" and I wonder who decided that?