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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:16 PM Apr 2013

President Obama’s Fury Over The Failure Of The Background Check Bill, In 7 Lines



Obama’s Fury Over The Failure Of The Background Check Bill, In 7 Lines


1) “I’m going to speak plainly and honest about what’s happened here. Because the American people are trying to figure out how can something have 90% support and yet not happen.”

2) “This legislation in fact outlawed any registry, plain and simple, right there in the text. But that didn’t matter. And, unfortunately, this pattern of spreading untruths about this legislation served a purpose. Because those lies upset an intense minority of gun owners and that in turn intimidated a lot of senators.”"

3) “Most of these senators could not offer any good reason why we wouldn’t want to make it harder for criminals and those with severe mental illnesses to buy a gun… It came down to politics. The worry that that vocal minority of gun owners would come after them in future elections. They worried that the gun lobby would spend a lot of money and paint them as anti-second amendment.”

4) “I’ve heard some say that blocking this step would be a victory. And my question is, a victory for who? A victory for what? … Victory for not doing something that 90% of Americans, 80% of Republicans, the vast majority of your constituents wanted to get done? It begs the question, who are we here to represent?

-snip-

Additional three quotes here: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/17/1886341/obamas-fury-over-the-failure-of-the-background-check-bill-in-7-lines/



p.s. Cha has posted the video of the full Rose Garden presser down below in Comment #1





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President Obama’s Fury Over The Failure Of The Background Check Bill, In 7 Lines (Original Post) Tx4obama Apr 2013 OP
This? Cha Apr 2013 #1
Thank you :) Tx4obama Apr 2013 #2
how incredibly sad and powerful renate Apr 2013 #5
Kicking for later viewing! arcane1 Apr 2013 #12
Thanks Cha, sheshe2 Apr 2013 #14
It's in the BOG, too! Cha Apr 2013 #17
Oh, you know.. Cha Apr 2013 #19
Thank you snacker Apr 2013 #20
We Are Determined, Thank You President Obama Skraxx Apr 2013 #49
wow--I wish I'd seen it live renate Apr 2013 #3
Cha has posted the VIDEO in Comment #1 Tx4obama Apr 2013 #4
thanks! renate Apr 2013 #6
I assume PBO feels the same way about The Noxious proposed Pipeline from Canada to TX. Vincardog Apr 2013 #7
And we could list everything timdog44 Apr 2013 #22
Another example of compromising and still losing. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #8
Dang! Like most people, he misused the phrase tblue37 Apr 2013 #9
Good to see someone else noticed that daveMN Apr 2013 #21
Me, too. Must be a Minnesota thing. SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2013 #26
Yeah daveMN Apr 2013 #30
And don't get me started on "I could care less"! hatrack Apr 2013 #48
Good catch, Cuz! tblue Apr 2013 #29
Hi, cuz! nt tblue37 Apr 2013 #47
There are two main reasons that this bill failed: Obama is President; money from gun manufactures kelliekat44 Apr 2013 #10
Bloomberg could outspend the gun mfgrs all by himself Chuuku Davis Apr 2013 #16
Just heard a radio annoncer say "Obama was not speaking from a script, but from the heart". gateley Apr 2013 #11
Thanks for the quotes and link. sheshe2 Apr 2013 #13
I am still looking for the poll Chuuku Davis Apr 2013 #15
One from last week: snacker Apr 2013 #18
Wrong Chuuku Davis Apr 2013 #31
"84% of Americans favor background checks..." Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #33
Another snacker Apr 2013 #37
Another snacker Apr 2013 #38
Another snacker Apr 2013 #39
another snacker Apr 2013 #42
Thanks to all who replied Chuuku Davis Apr 2013 #43
I've wondered about that as well. Atlatl Apr 2013 #23
"84% of Americans favor background checks..." Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #34
Another snacker Apr 2013 #41
Hoo boy was he pissed. Prism Apr 2013 #24
Nothing but Vaudeville. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #25
Kiss my ass. cliffordu Apr 2013 #27
You know fuck all about it. Cha Apr 2013 #35
Get a grip, man. Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #36
sod off, bitter clown. your bitter tears are nectar to my soul. dionysus Apr 2013 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Union Scribe Apr 2013 #46
Thanks...That's Good..Impressive...BUT IT FAILED! KoKo Apr 2013 #28
k&r nt steve2470 Apr 2013 #32
As the country continues to trend Blue, Canadian-style gun control will come to America within apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #44

renate

(13,776 posts)
5. how incredibly sad and powerful
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:36 PM
Apr 2013

They all look there's been another death in the family. This isn't just political disappointment... these people have just been told that the murders of little children and innocent adults, in the past and in the future, don't matter as much as maintaining gun buyers' ability to bypass background checks.

Skraxx

(2,972 posts)
49. We Are Determined, Thank You President Obama
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:57 PM
Apr 2013

Round 1 indeed.

The GOP and NRA in their hubris, underestimate our resolve. I'm glad they are underestimating our resolve.

renate

(13,776 posts)
3. wow--I wish I'd seen it live
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:26 PM
Apr 2013

I can't wait to watch it on Chris' and Rachel's shows, but in the meantime, thanks so much for posting those quotes. It really is just so incredible... and I can't imagine how those no votes won't backfire except in the reddest of states. Could there be a clearer demonstration of how their votes are for sale to the highest-bidding lobbyist?

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
22. And we could list everything
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:19 PM
Apr 2013

that everyone is rightfully righteous about. But this is about the gun lobby vs the correct thing to do.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
8. Another example of compromising and still losing.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:41 PM
Apr 2013

The people at least deserved a vote on REAL universal background checks, not something full of exceptions for 'friends and family'. If the GOP is going to oppose it anyway, why let them water down the point of background checks?

tblue37

(65,341 posts)
9. Dang! Like most people, he misused the phrase
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:42 PM
Apr 2013

"beg the question."

"What Does 'Begging the Question' Really Mean?"
http://grammartips.homestead.com/begging.html

Obama is smart and well educated, but the unfortunate English name for the logical fallacy of begging the question trips up everyone, it seems.

An excerpt from my article on the subject:



Begging the question does not mean to bring up the question. It means to present as true a premise that requires proof--i.e., taking a conclusion for granted before it is proved or assuming in the premises of your argument what is supposed to be proved in the conclusion. (This fallacy is related to the circular argument.)


(I get a lot of flack from Right Wing readers, though, who hate that I use the CheneyBush administration's circular arguments for invading Iraq as examples of begging the question.)

daveMN

(25 posts)
21. Good to see someone else noticed that
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:14 PM
Apr 2013

One of my pet peeves! Why don't people just say "Raises the question"?

SomeGuyInEagan

(1,515 posts)
26. Me, too. Must be a Minnesota thing.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:33 PM
Apr 2013

I know some come back with the argument that it is a living language and common (mis)usage changes the meaning, but that is just wrong (not to mention the reason we ended up with words like "strategize" in dictionaries).

Now ... get off my damn lawn! Harrumph!

daveMN

(25 posts)
30. Yeah
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:48 PM
Apr 2013

It really annoyed me when some dictionary or other named "refudiate" to be a "word of the year". Let's just say no to illiteracy.

hatrack

(59,585 posts)
48. And don't get me started on "I could care less"!
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:29 AM
Apr 2013

ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!

Only one thing worse in Clicheland - "She wants to have her cake and eat it, too".

Double ARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
10. There are two main reasons that this bill failed: Obama is President; money from gun manufactures
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 06:48 PM
Apr 2013

to the NRA and Congress. The GOP just doesn't want anything Obama supports to succeed. Face it! AND there is huge amounts of money in gun manufacturing and gun running! Organized crime against ordinary Americans on behalf of the corporatists and bigots.

I only hope that there are enough decent people in the red states to wake up and put their fellow citizens first.

Chuuku Davis

(565 posts)
16. Bloomberg could outspend the gun mfgrs all by himself
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 07:56 PM
Apr 2013

It is a very small industry in the USA
There have been 4 million ARS made in 50 years

snacker

(3,619 posts)
18. One from last week:
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 07:59 PM
Apr 2013

Polls show that a strong majority of Americans support some type of initiative to stem gun violence. In a CNN/ORC International poll released last week, 86% of Americans say they support expanded background checks.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/politics/senate-guns-vote/index.html

I'm too disgusted to search for any more...

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
33. "84% of Americans favor background checks..."
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:12 PM
Apr 2013
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us130304/guns/Complete%20March%2013,%202013%20USA%20McClatchy_Marist%20Poll%20Release%20and%20Tables.pdf

"84% of Americans favor background checks for private gun sales and sales at gun
shows. 15% oppose the idea, and 2% are unsure. Even 81% of gun owners
nationally support such a measure. Registered voters mirror the overall population.
Regardless of political party, more than eight in ten favor background checks."
 

Atlatl

(57 posts)
23. I've wondered about that as well.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:19 PM
Apr 2013

And just what was the question asked?

It would also have been wonderful if the supporters of this bill could have told us how this bill would have prevented Sandy Hook or Aurora or Tuscon...

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
34. "84% of Americans favor background checks..."
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:14 PM
Apr 2013

"84% of Americans favor background checks for private gun sales and sales at gun
shows. 15% oppose the idea, and 2% are unsure. Even 81% of gun owners
nationally support such a measure. Registered voters mirror the overall population.
Regardless of political party, more than eight in ten favor background checks."

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us130304/guns/Complete%20March%2013,%202013%20USA%20McClatchy_Marist%20Poll%20Release%20and%20Tables.pdf

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
24. Hoo boy was he pissed.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:22 PM
Apr 2013

I was waiting for that vein in his forehead to jump out and take the podium.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
25. Nothing but Vaudeville.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:23 PM
Apr 2013

When the Democratic Party left the filibuster as is without putting up a fight it gauranteed that little more than kickbacks to corporations would be achieved. But boy can Obama put on a show that pleases his adoring fan club after the fact.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
27. Kiss my ass.
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:34 PM
Apr 2013

Go ahead and alert. Who could give a shit??

A note to juries:

I tried to be nice about this. I really did. Sorry I failed.

Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #25)

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
28. Thanks...That's Good..Impressive...BUT IT FAILED!
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 08:37 PM
Apr 2013

Better Luck Next time...when it comes up once again.

apocalypsehow

(12,751 posts)
40. As the country continues to trend Blue, Canadian-style gun control will come to America within
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:26 PM
Apr 2013

the next decade. In the meantime, thanks to the NRA and the likes of our very own "pro gun progressives"* down in the Gungeon, more massacres like Sandy Hook and Aurora will occur, and blood will be on those hands.

But there is a day coming where sanity and human decency and civilization will prevail in these United States against the right-wing forces of hate and reaction and racism (the "RKBA" movement is largely made up of racist white guys scared of "The Other&quot , just like we prevailed over slavery, segregation, fascism, and Jim Crow.

Those are the days we genuine progressives and liberals must look forward too, and they are a'coming.


*( )

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