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Obamas Fury Over The Failure Of The Background Check Bill, In 7 Lines
1) Im going to speak plainly and honest about whats happened here. Because the American people are trying to figure out how can something have 90% support and yet not happen.
2) This legislation in fact outlawed any registry, plain and simple, right there in the text. But that didnt matter. And, unfortunately, this pattern of spreading untruths about this legislation served a purpose. Because those lies upset an intense minority of gun owners and that in turn intimidated a lot of senators."
3) Most of these senators could not offer any good reason why we wouldnt want to make it harder for criminals and those with severe mental illnesses to buy a gun It came down to politics. The worry that that vocal minority of gun owners would come after them in future elections. They worried that the gun lobby would spend a lot of money and paint them as anti-second amendment.
4) Ive heard some say that blocking this step would be a victory. And my question is, a victory for who? A victory for what? Victory for not doing something that 90% of Americans, 80% of Republicans, the vast majority of your constituents wanted to get done? It begs the question, who are we here to represent?
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Additional three quotes here: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/04/17/1886341/obamas-fury-over-the-failure-of-the-background-check-bill-in-7-lines/
p.s. Cha has posted the video of the full Rose Garden presser down below in Comment #1
thanks for the link, Tx
renate
(13,776 posts)They all look there's been another death in the family. This isn't just political disappointment... these people have just been told that the murders of little children and innocent adults, in the past and in the future, don't matter as much as maintaining gun buyers' ability to bypass background checks.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)will watch.
Cha
(297,205 posts)thanks she
Cha
(297,205 posts)That's my President!
Skraxx
(2,972 posts)Round 1 indeed.
The GOP and NRA in their hubris, underestimate our resolve. I'm glad they are underestimating our resolve.
renate
(13,776 posts)I can't wait to watch it on Chris' and Rachel's shows, but in the meantime, thanks so much for posting those quotes. It really is just so incredible... and I can't imagine how those no votes won't backfire except in the reddest of states. Could there be a clearer demonstration of how their votes are for sale to the highest-bidding lobbyist?
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)timdog44
(1,388 posts)that everyone is rightfully righteous about. But this is about the gun lobby vs the correct thing to do.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)The people at least deserved a vote on REAL universal background checks, not something full of exceptions for 'friends and family'. If the GOP is going to oppose it anyway, why let them water down the point of background checks?
tblue37
(65,341 posts)"beg the question."
"What Does 'Begging the Question' Really Mean?"
http://grammartips.homestead.com/begging.html
Obama is smart and well educated, but the unfortunate English name for the logical fallacy of begging the question trips up everyone, it seems.
An excerpt from my article on the subject:
Begging the question does not mean to bring up the question. It means to present as true a premise that requires proof--i.e., taking a conclusion for granted before it is proved or assuming in the premises of your argument what is supposed to be proved in the conclusion. (This fallacy is related to the circular argument.)
(I get a lot of flack from Right Wing readers, though, who hate that I use the CheneyBush administration's circular arguments for invading Iraq as examples of begging the question.)
daveMN
(25 posts)One of my pet peeves! Why don't people just say "Raises the question"?
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)I know some come back with the argument that it is a living language and common (mis)usage changes the meaning, but that is just wrong (not to mention the reason we ended up with words like "strategize" in dictionaries).
Now ... get off my damn lawn! Harrumph!
It really annoyed me when some dictionary or other named "refudiate" to be a "word of the year". Let's just say no to illiteracy.
hatrack
(59,585 posts)ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!
Only one thing worse in Clicheland - "She wants to have her cake and eat it, too".
Double ARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!
tblue
(16,350 posts)tblue37
(65,341 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)to the NRA and Congress. The GOP just doesn't want anything Obama supports to succeed. Face it! AND there is huge amounts of money in gun manufacturing and gun running! Organized crime against ordinary Americans on behalf of the corporatists and bigots.
I only hope that there are enough decent people in the red states to wake up and put their fellow citizens first.
Chuuku Davis
(565 posts)It is a very small industry in the USA
There have been 4 million ARS made in 50 years
gateley
(62,683 posts)sheshe2
(83,755 posts)Just getting home, and trying to catch up on things.
Chuuku Davis
(565 posts)That shows 90% supported it
I have asked on here before
snacker
(3,619 posts)Polls show that a strong majority of Americans support some type of initiative to stem gun violence. In a CNN/ORC International poll released last week, 86% of Americans say they support expanded background checks.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/politics/senate-guns-vote/index.html
I'm too disgusted to search for any more...
Somebody has got to know where that number came from
Made up?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)"84% of Americans favor background checks for private gun sales and sales at gun
shows. 15% oppose the idea, and 2% are unsure. Even 81% of gun owners
nationally support such a measure. Registered voters mirror the overall population.
Regardless of political party, more than eight in ten favor background checks."
snacker
(3,619 posts)"Ninety-two percent of Americans favor background checks for all potential gun buyers, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll. "
snacker
(3,619 posts)snacker
(3,619 posts)snacker
(3,619 posts)Chuuku Davis
(565 posts)Now I have some retorts
Atlatl
(57 posts)And just what was the question asked?
It would also have been wonderful if the supporters of this bill could have told us how this bill would have prevented Sandy Hook or Aurora or Tuscon...
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)"84% of Americans favor background checks for private gun sales and sales at gun
shows. 15% oppose the idea, and 2% are unsure. Even 81% of gun owners
nationally support such a measure. Registered voters mirror the overall population.
Regardless of political party, more than eight in ten favor background checks."
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us130304/guns/Complete%20March%2013,%202013%20USA%20McClatchy_Marist%20Poll%20Release%20and%20Tables.pdf
snacker
(3,619 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)I was waiting for that vein in his forehead to jump out and take the podium.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)When the Democratic Party left the filibuster as is without putting up a fight it gauranteed that little more than kickbacks to corporations would be achieved. But boy can Obama put on a show that pleases his adoring fan club after the fact.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Go ahead and alert. Who could give a shit??
A note to juries:
I tried to be nice about this. I really did. Sorry I failed.
Cha
(297,205 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)What a jerkish post. Do you have another gear?
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #25)
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KoKo
(84,711 posts)Better Luck Next time...when it comes up once again.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)the next decade. In the meantime, thanks to the NRA and the likes of our very own "pro gun progressives"* down in the Gungeon, more massacres like Sandy Hook and Aurora will occur, and blood will be on those hands.
But there is a day coming where sanity and human decency and civilization will prevail in these United States against the right-wing forces of hate and reaction and racism (the "RKBA" movement is largely made up of racist white guys scared of "The Other" , just like we prevailed over slavery, segregation, fascism, and Jim Crow.
Those are the days we genuine progressives and liberals must look forward too, and they are a'coming.
*( )
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