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-Former NRA President Charlton Heston
"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches."
-Right-wing radio host G. Gordon Liddy
-NRA Board Member Ted Nugent who was waving an assault rifle in the air as he spoke these words
These quotes represent just three of the many pieces of violent rhetoric that has come from the right-wing in recent years. The people who said these disgusting things were not just random right-wingers, they are people who were given giant microphones by the far right.
The right-wing leaders who uttered these disgusting words were not held accountable, G. Gordon Liddy continued to host his radio show, Charlton Heston's "cold dead hands" line was not only cheered by his supporters but was printed onto bumper stickers by the NRA, and Ted Nugent has continued to be reelected to the NRA Board of Directors and provided a microphone to make other violent threats.
Yesterday a tragedy struck in Boston, it happened on Tax Day just a short distance from the site of the original Boston Tea Party. As of right now we don't know exactly who set off the bombs in Boston, but it is certainly not a stretch to see the symbolism of Tax Day and suspect that it might be right-wing extremists who carried this attack out.
Now people tell me that we should wait for the facts to come in before we voice our suspicions, but I feel that we have been seeing the facts for far too long and I can not pretend that these facts do not exist. They may not be facts that point to a specific individual, but they are facts that do raise a lot of suspicions.
The fact is that we have heard far too much of the "from my cold dead hands" rhetoric, we have seen far too many nutty right-wingers tell us that they need an arsenal of guns to protect themselves from the government. They have made no secret of the fact that they dream of using their guns to violently overthrow the government, they want us to think that their guns are needed to protect us from government tyranny. Of course in their world tyranny means allowing gay people to get married and providing health care to poor people.
When I hear violent rhetoric I suspect that at least some of the people pushing that rhetoric are violent people themselves, and when a Tax Day attack happens they are going to be the first people I suspect. The reason I suspect them is based on their behavior, if they did not promote violence I would not suspect them no matter how much I disagreed with them. I disagree with nearly all Republicans, but the vast majority of Republicans I would never suspect of committing a violent act such as this one. There is a small group of them however that does seem extremely dangerous to me, the people who embrace Ted Nugent's violent rhetoric are the type of people who I believe are likely to be violent themselves.
In recent months we have seen right-wingers openly carrying assault rifles into State Capitol buildings in places like Oregon and Washington in order to intimidate law makers who are working pass gun legislation. We have seen the legislators who have introduced gun control bills sent numerous death threats. This is real and it is happening right now, I can't sit and pretend that this sort of violent rhetoric does not make me suspicious.
Maybe in the end I will be proven wrong, maybe it won't be a teabagger that gets arrested maybe it will just be some crazed teenager who was had a sick idea that he thought it would be fun to unleash chaos. Even if I am wrong however I will not apologize for being suspicious because it is the violent rhetoric of a certain group of people that made me suspicious of them, and if a person chooses to speak that violent rhetoric it is their own fault when the finger gets pointed at them when something happens.
The people who promote violence are not innocent, even if they did not have a direct role in planting these bombs they are still responsible for promoting acts of violence and terrorism.
I suspect this bombing was committed by a right-winger who is a fan of the sort of violent rhetoric that I posted at the top of this post. I am not going to make any apologies for voicing my suspicions before all the facts are in because there are more than enough facts to say that a certain group of people have acted in a way that has caused people to be legitimately suspicious of them. If they don't want people suspecting them of violence then they need to stop promoting violence.
elleng
(130,892 posts)we're surrounded by it.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)You know what the country doesn't need more of? Reactionaries.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)There are a small group of right-wingers who do promote violence regularly, when people promote violence they invite suspicions. If they don't want me to be suspicious of them they can stop the violent rhetoric, they can say things I disagree with all they want but once they start advocating violence they invite my suspicion.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Not because you have any higher understanding of the situation.
Let's not BS each other.
You no more have evidence that this attack was carried out by American right-wing extremists than right-wingers have that the attack was carried out by militant Islamists. Both groups promote violence. So according to your logic, both groups are equally suspicious.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)There have been attacks by Islamic Militants before certainly, but this attack happened on Tax Day not far from the site of the Boston Tea Party. Why would Al Qaeda target Boston on Tax Day?
I don't suspect right-wingers of most of the acts of violence that happen in America, but a Tax Day bombing in Boston seems to send the message they would want to send.
And by the way I don't want anyone to be the ones who did this, this is not about want. This is about a group of people who have invited suspicions on themselves because of their own actions.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Yet you automatically target your political enemies. Not because you have any greater evidence for such a suspicion but because you want them to be the ones who have done this.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Your issue seems to be including domestic right-wingers in the lists of suspects AT ALL. Why?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)And it is reflective of the very ideology of which the OP is "suspicious."
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)"I suspects the culprits of this attack may be right-wingers?"
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)I'm giving an example of how the violence of one's rhetoric does not increase the possibility of one's guilt for a disassociated crime.
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)are outspoken about their desire for these people's deaths. In that case their violent rhetoric absolutely has a direct link to their behaviors. Why are you so adverse to use such tactics in this case?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Then we can apply some legitimate suspicion.
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)who bombed Boston. But there is an entire group who rail against taxes and even have their name attached to one of the clues here. The TEA party.
Yes I am willing to bet that the group or person responsible for this is at least sympathetic with the tea party.
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)Just look at the facts.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)which was started because of taxes levied on to Americans by the British. The Boston Tea party, (which happened very near to where the bombs went off) was a part of the rebellion by "revolutionaries" fighting against taxation, (without representation which the tea part of today fails to remember).
The radical right wings cries have been about taxes. Extremist Muslim militants don't give a rat's behind about us paying taxes and in fact they are probably happy that we have to pay them.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)That's some watertight logic.
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)onenote
(42,700 posts)Because its a large gathering of people with limited security.
Many groups of all stripes advocate violence. Suspecting any one of them over any other one of them at this point is simply a reflection of non-critical thinking.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)They want the world to know that they did what they did.
Not one of them has come forth to claim this as one of their operations.
This was a home-grown Right Wing anti-government Teabagger type, bet on it.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Any bet placed on your part is ill advised.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)You seem upset that it just might be a home-grown Right Wing Teabagger that committed this act of terror, I guess the fact that most terror acts in this country are committed by people that fit that profile must be lost on you.
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WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Tumbulu
(6,278 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)only ones advocating violence. Knock yourself out.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)I have heard violent rhetoric from my own side on a small number of occasions on this site and I have always alerted it, every one of my alerts on violent rhetoric has been hidden.
I don't automatically associate most crime with right-wing politics, but a bombing on Tax Day in Boston? That looks like right-wing terrorism to me.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I only consider the mindset. Lone gunman, wingnut of any flavor, they are sociopaths and no amount of reasoning or ideology justifies the action. It's just their cover for being a killer. That could be anyone.
I am biased against the right for their continual hatred and calls for violence. I'll freely admit it. And it won't bother them since because it works well.
They practice intimidation and flaunt it online and offline. Their flaunting of the danger they represent, and mockery of calls for restraint makes them a target of suspicion 24/7. They want that.
kardonb
(777 posts)I am all for " free speech " , but when it threatens other people with violence , it should be punished as hate speech and inciting to violence .
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)"Suspects" is when you think it's more probable it was X, but it may have been Y or Z.
"Think they know" is when you think it was X and there's no way it was anything else.
Was that clear enough or do I have to make a drawing?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)In other words, his conclusion is that he thinks it was right-wingers, but that he might be wrong.
And, even then, he won't apologize because, well, he doesn't like the people he accused of murder, so fuck them.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Should he not have the stated suspicion in the first place? Are there NO grounds for such suspicion?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)You seem to consider "suspicion" as some sort of benign topic. It is not benign. Suspicious has a dangerous historical significance.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)That the evil, powerful liberals are going to organize a pogrom on the poor, oppressed, downtrodden White Christian Conservatives?
Get back to me after reading this: http://www.timwise.org/2013/04/terrorism-and-privilege-understanding-the-power-of-whiteness
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)And this OP is an apparent example of just such a fear.
It's been 24 hours. The government is still investigating and does not know who did this. We should act accordingly; with a passion towards finding those responsible but mature reservation toward blaming any potentially innocent group without an abundance of evidence.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)The OP didn't say "Gravitycollapse and I are suspicious." There is no we. Bjorn Against speaks for himself/herself, not for anyone else. So, how did it become we?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)who have committed acts of terrorism before. i sure as hell consider them prime suspects in this bombing.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)who call for killing all liberals.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)cartach
(511 posts)into complacency even in the face of a disaster such as happened in Boston. You would have us pay no attention,ignore the obvious,and write off the hateful rhetoric of the right wing lunatics among us. And at what cost? To let our guard down? This should be talked up as much as possible among concerned citizens as to do otherwise is to ignore our responsibility to try to keep ourselves and our families safe. The main suspects are those treasonous bastards from the right wing,they've already advertised what they want to do and it isn't as if they are unjustly being picked out of the air. I ask - could you be one of them,spreading your propaganda?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)These ratfuckers are violent and like to blow shit up.
Bully Taw
(194 posts)islamic extremists or right wing nuts? Or both?
I think you can easily accuse both of this, but without proof, all you have is an accusation, anger and hate. Is that helpful? It feels good, though, right? Accuse someone we already hate, hope we are right and hate them more.
Whether its Islamics or RWNs, it may be better to wait until all the facts come out.
I think it is a Yankee fan, but that is just because that is who stirs anger and hatred in me.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)I am not suggesting any of the three I quoted actually planted the bomb, obviously Charlton Heston could not have done it. One of the people who put the NRA bumper sticker with his quote on their car would be a more likely suspect.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Who do you suspect of sending ricin to a repub senator, the same crowd?
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)It is not like I automatically assume a right-winger is responsible for every crime, the vast majority of crimes I don't associate with politics in any way at all. A bombing of Boston on Tax Day however? That makes me suspicious of one certain group of people.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)voted against the fillibuster on gun control. The right wingers in MS couldn't have been happy about that. That said, I have no idea who sent him the ricin.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)of this endless cycle of violence begetting more violence; which is why the
drone program is so wrong, as it's creating new "terrorists" faster than it's
eliminating them. This bloodlust a psychic virus, that could all-too-easily go
viral; which is why some are predicting a new civil war in the US.
Not that I think that will happen, nor do I want it to; but just sayin' what's in
the air.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Wayne La Piss Ant interprets the 2nd Amendment meaning of the word 'arms' to include explosives.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)According to what I found elsewhere on DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022687031
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)...you have your scapegoat picked out, aren't ashamed to proclaim it and have no intention of retracting your accusations even if wrong.
Awesome....
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)If I am wrong I will admit I was wrong, but I am not going to apologize for suspecting a group whose own actions gave me reason to suspect them.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and who believe that perpetrators of said acts will be rewarded with 72 virgins in the afterlife?
Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)jessie04
(1,528 posts)Islamic terrorism??
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)When I think of who would be more likely to target Boston on Tax Day however I see that as a far more likely teabagger target than an Al Qaeda target.
Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)Or that April 15, 1920 was the day the robbery that lead to the arrest and execution of Ferdinando Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti occurred?
Or that April 15, 1900 was the first day of the Siege of Catubig during the Philippine-American war?
Or even that Suleiman II, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was born on April 15, 1642?
April 15 means a lot of different things to different people....
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)And it is not Al Qaeda.
Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)In 2010 Al-Qaeda affiliate 313 Brigade issued specific threats against sporting events being held in India.
Abu Musab al-Suri, an Al-Qaeda strategist, has also listed sporting events as potential targets of terror attacks in his writings.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)That does not mean that I am going to pretend that a Boston Tax Day bombing is equally likely to have been committed by Al Qaeda, I believe it is far more likely that a right-wing teabagger is responsible.
If the evidence later shows I am wrong I will admit I was wrong, but a few right-wing nuts have given me good reason to be suspicious of them.
Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)They have a long history of throwing bombs. Maybe this attack was made by an Anarchist upset about Massachusetts' trial and execution of Sacco and Vanzetti?
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)You never know he could be pissed that Easter is over and everyone forgot about him.
Anything is possible, but that does not mean that the violent rhetoric of a few on the extreme right does not give me good reason to be suspicious of them.
Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)...against the US? No good reason to be suspicious of any militant jihadi group that's declared war on The Great Satan?
Just a great opportunity to smear your *political* opponents.
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)you are spot-on! Kick, Rec.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)And yes, some proponents of black/white thinking do try to marginalize and bully dissenters into silence. And they fail.
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)RW/baggers/militia types than by Islamic terrorists. In case you hadn't noticed (because you spend all your time cuddling your collection of Preciouses).
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)And to think otherwise is not only unproductive, it's destructive.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)We know a hell of a lot already about this attack. And suspicion rightly is falling on the people in this country who have declared war on non-fascists.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)To assume otherwise is to negate the existence and consequence of manipulative rhetoric.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)who did this is not violence of any sort, nor does it encourage violence.
Go find somebody else to sell your snake oil to.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)In that I mean you assume your rhetoric on this carries no ill consequences. When in actuality it is likely highly destructive.
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)firenewt
(298 posts)Through thoughts and deeds, the extreme right has demonstrated that nothing is off the table as far as the acts they would consider. I feel they should be looked at with the same vigor 'approved' terrorists will under go.
Hope I made sense - evening pain meds are kicking in.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)And I suspect the FBI is taking a hard look at all of them, and will raid those they think might be linked in some way to this attack.
If it isn't one of these right wing groups, it might be a former member of theirs, who decided to go "lone wolf" and planned this. You are right, the symbolism is striking, and I doubt it is coincidental. "Patriots Day" indeed. These lunatics probably thought this was their alarm bell telling them to strike.
patrice
(47,992 posts)gulating the other two cohorts and that could be anything from one person to more than one.
Tumbulu
(6,278 posts)I want those making money on inciting violence to be charged for their crime.
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2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)But really, THAT suspicion is exceedingly dumb. The OP's is not. It's plausible.
But hey, being dumb is exactly as protected by the First Amendment as being intelligent. Suspect the Gangnam Style singer if that pleases you. Have a blast.
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)Enjoy your short stay...
RL
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)If you hear someone who is spreading violent rhetoric I will join you in denouncing it, I don't want anyone on my side using that rhetoric either and I have alerted on people who have used violent rhetoric on this site even when it came from my own side. Thankfully I have not had to do that much because I don't see too many calls for assassination on this site. I do hear it from the right-wing far more often.
MH1
(17,600 posts)Do tell, what past events do you think were really "false flag operations to take away our civil liberties", eh?
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Right Wing extemeists and anti-government types typically would target government property not mass casualty of civilians... What is the correlating message? Now lone wolf types like Ted Kacynski or the Olympic park bomber are a possibility but we must also realize that this is a Jihadi tactic too.... So yes lets wait until the evidence is in but speculation requires some substance in fact, don't you think?
MH1
(17,600 posts)I don't understand what the big deal is. There are domestic terrorists operating in this country. There have been domestic terrorist attacks before. Likewise, there have been foreign terrorist attacks here. It could be either. Or it could be, as the OP indicated, some whackjob who in their twisted sickness just thought it would be fun. In this case there is a lot of potential symbolism that suggests violent right wing extremists. Then again, as you say, wouldn't they be more likely to target government property? But wait, this happened in Boston - the most high profile event of the most high profile city in the state that is probably most hated by right wing nutjobs.
All that said, I think the fact that no one has taken credit for the bombing makes it less likely to be an organized group, and more likely it was either a lone wolf with political intent, or just the sick whackjob.
JMHO, and very much just speculation. I don't think speculation causes harm, as long as we are clear we are talking about violent extremists of whatever persuasion, not the guy down the street who happens to be a known (gasp!) Republican.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)You know what some teaheads at my job just told me that Obama cut funding from the IED program at DHS, funding that according to them could have prevented this type of attack.... So you know the politics is going to run hot and heavy on this....
The real shame is that we all can't just come together in times like this... We really need a leader that can dropped all the poltiical posturing and just bring the country together... Sadly it will never happen.....
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)or Columbine High School kind of person or persons behind this. So far, I don't see any evidence of a political motive. But, we don't know. I don't think anyone knows except the perpetrator or perpetrators themselves. The whole symbolism involved just doesn't sound like either a right-wing militia or a Middle East terrorist kind of thing. But I could be wrong. But pointing fingers without a shred of evidence at anyone at this point only undermines credibility and is really kind of knuckle dragging Neanderthalic .
RZM
(8,556 posts)My first thought was Jared Loughner, ie some whack job with weird beliefs that aren't easily categorized. But who knows? That's no more or less likely than many other scenarios.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I'm suspecting someone like Eric Rudolph myself - very political, not psychotic.
This bombing seems very similar to the Olympic Park bombing.
dothemath
(345 posts)Eloqently putting into words what many of us are thinking needs no apology. You are entitled and I am in your corner. Thank you.
Initech
(100,068 posts)Everyone was quick to point fingers and play the blame game without knowing all the facts. Same thing is happening now. What happens when we get this crazy as a society? Ten years of endless war. If we don't stop and take a breather and find out what actually happened, history will repeat itself.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)If the modern Boston Massacre never happened, they would still be people who need watching, but the last thing we need is the left saying "those rednecks did it" the right saying "those Arabs did it", and some perps that may be NEITHER of us sitting at home, laughing their ass off because no one looks their way.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)many here would argue that violence is an acceptable price to pay to be able to fondle their playthings.
There act of owning a gun fosters the mentality that makes it acceptable to bomb and kill innocent people. You can bet that whoever did this was also a gun owner.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Guns, bombs, missiles, tanks, fighter jets, bombers, nuclear weapons, war mongering, war profiteering...
All of this promotes an atmosphere that is conducive to such attacks.
Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)How about we blame violent video games? You know, the ones where you can actually simulate an attack like this? Why in the world would any normal person want to play such a 'game'?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)At Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:29 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
of course, this kind of violence is a by a product of the gun culture no matter where it originated
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2688365
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ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
This is an over-the-top attack on gun owners. I know many many people who own and shoot firearms and not a single one has announced their solidarity with the perpetrators of this heinous attack.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:33 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Eh.
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Connecting the vast majority of gun owners to people who think it's acceptable to bomb innocent people is so egregiously stupid, I'm almost surprised to see it here.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)Alex Jones blaming the president for Sandy Hook, you don't feel bad at all about blaming people with no evidence.
That's nice.
Just remember: there's plenty of violent assholes on every side. I'd prefer to know before blasting groups for undue cause (especially when there's plenty of real cause to go around already).
I don't really give a shit who did it as long as justice is done. Oh, BTW, my definition is different than Cheney/Obama/Facebook... I don't mean assassinated or brutalized in unmentionable ways with various implements, but brought to stand a fair public trial, and, if found guilty, punished according to established legal code.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)There is no conspiracy theory in what I am saying. The fact is there has been some extreme violent rhetoric coming from some on the extreme right. I am not talking about everyone on the right I am talking of a few, I am talking about the ones that either push or embrace violent rhetoric. I have reason to suspect that the people who push violent rhetoric or embrace violent rhetoric just might carry out the fantasies they publicly suggest they will carry out or they will convince someone else to carry it out for them.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Keep doing what you're doing!
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... and am anxious to hear what our big HS comes up with. Watching how our judicial system works on PBS... "The Central Park Five." They can manufacture anything they want...
meanit
(455 posts)How far do the right-wing nut jobs have to go with their rhetoric and actions to convince some people that they are a real and present threat?
25+ years of hate radio against anything liberal or non-conservative, shootings by Glen Beck inspired nut cases, flying a plane into an IRS building, OKC, Planned Parenthood clinics, entire news networks devoted to bashing liberals/Democrats 24/7, the Tea Party, Communist, Socialist, Muslim, and on and on and on.
Yet some say "we're just like them" if we suspect that the right wingers may have finally followed through on what they have been threatening to do for all these years?
That is denial bordering on frigging delusional.
Bully Taw
(194 posts)but you would also have cause to be suspicious of Islamic extremists...and it looks like that is what happened here. If we had come out and said, "Hey this was the work of islamic terrorists", that would not have been kosher here on the DU. I know it is preferable to blame people we don't like, but it really isn't helpful to jump to those conclusions.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Unless you're a member of the law enforcement team examining this tragedy from all possible angles, your (or anyone else's) suspicion is doing *nothing* positive here.
While your rant about right-wing "entertainers" (my word for them) holds much merit, going public with suspicion of any group is not only non-productive, but it opens the door to some potentially harmful behaviors. If you gather a group with like suspicions, hate is easily born. And you know what follows that.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)because it was Patriots Day and Tax Day, and the target was an international/cosmopolitan event in liberal Boston. The objective may have been a "Turner Diaries"-style attempt to ignite "The Revolution" or whatever these types believe is coming.
However, that's just my (biased) speculation based on what little I know. While I lean toward my scenario above, I recognize there are numerous possibilities. I remember speculation around the DC sniper posited that the perp was probably white, male, and right wing.
Well, one out of three ain't bad, I guess.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)TimberValley
(318 posts)Macoy51
(239 posts)I don't think is was the Tea party, or Ted Nuggent.
/I love hindsight
Macoy
Bully Taw
(194 posts)i guess you and I were both wrong.
It was not a Right-wing kook group and it was not a Yankee fan.
Looks like whoever had Islamic fundamentalist is the winner.