Toon: The Super Negotiator!

[n2doc]

[Cleita]

1. Harsh, but at lot of truth there.n/t

[BlueStreak]

19. More than a bit

The problem is not compromise. All successful American politicians have been able to forge compromises.

The problem is that Obama seems to get very little in exchange for his compromises. At least, very little that I would recognize as good.

After all this bluster about gun safety, what does he do? he lets the most conservative Democrat dictate the terms. They take the weakest of the provisions (background checks) and gut it wide open by permitting personal sales to continue to be ignored. Obviously a person at a gun show can just go out in the parking lot and make a person-to-person deal. And from that anemic idea, there is talk of the House "watering it down". How does one water down water? Yet Obama will talk about this like it is some great accomplishment.

Baloney.

[Cleita]

21. There's a difference between compromise and capitulation. n/t

[99Forever]

2. You've always been...

... an Obama hater!

[n2doc]

5. Well, I've been given only 2 choices by the rah rah crowd

Either worship unconditionally or be a hater. I never have been able to worship unconditionally.

I'd rather live in a world where once can view shades of grey rather than always seeing in black and white.

[99Forever]

6. Exactly.

I don't do idol worship, myself.

[jazzimov]

14. Whoa! Although I have greatly enjoyed your toons posting

I think you are misinterpreting the message that you are receiving.

I, for one, have many things that I would LIKE to criticize Obama for, but the level of criticism I have seen from the anti-Obama makes me refrain from doing so. The level of vitriol from the anti-Obamites makes me even consider their purpose and their loyalties.

As I said, I do have criticism of our President, but they are based on informed facts. Many of the criticisms I have seen are uniformed and use "talking points" that come directly from rival parties - both RW and Leftist.

Overall, I think this President has done an outstanding job, and weighing my criticism against him against the things he has actually accomplished while in office, it is obvious that he has done much to advance Liberal values. When you weigh what he had to work with and against, my respect for him is raised even higher.

Remember, he is not a King or a Dictator. When you compare him to GWB who acted as a Dictator - yes, there is a lot of healing that much be done. But Obama is not a Dictator as GWB was.

And I am afraid that is the biggest complaint against him. Despite all that he has accomplished without being a Dictator - by actually going through the Constitution.

[n2doc]

17. I guess I would have to disagree on some of that

On Drones, bailouts, and indefinite detention, maybe he can only be accused of maintaining GWB's policies, rather than starting them up. I don't think that makes him a better person. There's stuff going on with the EPA that is beyond anything GWB did. And Obama seems to be, deliberately or not, avoiding trying to fill judgeships, boards and panels that make the Government run. Yes, the Senate is the main trouble, except that if no one is even nominated the fault starts with Obama. And he sure hasn't taken a strong, sustained campaign to get his nominees voted on.

I will say there are things in his budget, and policies he has championed, that I strongly agree with. He has done some things that make me very proud of him. And some that just make me want to scream. It is a complex feeling.

King or dictator or elected, doesn't matter. We the People are effectively powerless to change many policies as both parties are in agreement on them. Kind of reminds me of the Chinese system, where they have a new leader every few years but the policies stay the same for the most part. Dean had the right idea, building from below, but that seems to have been shoved aside for the moment.

I don't post the really harshly critical toons of Obama because I know they would be upsetting, and frankly I often find them irrational. And I don't bother posting RW toons except to mock them, with rare exception. What I do post, the critical ones, are posted because I personally find that they make a point .

[Marr]

15. You have a third option.

I'm often encouraged to express more hatred for the Republicans, rather than notice the backstabbing of leaders in my own party. You can criticize all the same policies-- you just have to make sure you're using instances where Republicans were pushing them rather than Dems.

[n2doc]

16. I believe I do

And I don't believe that I criticize our President unfairly. One can go back through my posts and see that I have always criticized the republicans for their policies, hypocrisy, and general evilness and cluelessness. But I have been attacked on this board for criticizing Obama, even in cases where the overwhelming public opinion is on my side (as in the present case of chained CPI). I do not think he is stupid, clueless, evil, or deranged. I do think he is, at heart, a centrist, and has moved ever further to the right as he has gone through his presidency. And I do not like that.

I have a fairly thick skin, or so I like to believe. So the criticism doesn't particularly bother me. People have their own reasons for defending Obama against all attacks, and I tend to try and respect that. I wish it was reciprocal sometimes.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. It's the "burning down the village in order to save it" method of negotiation.

[TransitJohn]

4. Kick and Rec

Thanks for posting.

[forestpath]

7. k&r Nailed it.

[DirkGently]

8. First panel kind of says it all (nt).

[Rain Mcloud]

9. I have an idea

lets use the strategy that the GOP used to appoint W in 1999.
Give all the Repukes in DC all expenses paid golf trips to Scotland.
While they are out of the country,Biden can raise the debt ceiling.
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[DeSwiss]

10. K&R

- [font size=5]UR doing it wrong![/font]

[KG]

11. I think I hear some veins bursting and spittle flying...

[SidDithers]

12. From the OP?...

that's kinda harsh, isn't it?

Sid

[limpyhobbler]

13. Super pretend-to-negotiator. nt

[jsr]

18. Great stuff there.

Thanks for posting.

[Fuddnik]

20. Kick and Rec!

It would be funny if it weren't so accurate.

Death to Guam!