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http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-10/the-reason-health-care-is-so-expensive-insurance-companiesWhat remains missing even in the discussion of the enormous administrative burden is not just how large, both in absolute dollars and as a percentage of health costs, it is, but also how few incentives there are for insurance companies to stop wasting their and everyone elses time. Most large employers, including mine, Stanford University, are self-insured, which means they pay for their own medical claims. These large employers invariably hire health insurance companies to administer their health-care dollars, doing things such as paying claims. Employers typically reimburse the insurers the amount of money they pay out to health-care providers plus a percentage of these costs. In Stanfords case, we pay Blue Shield 3 percent of the amount, about $3 million a year. (Note that the overhead costs of Medicare are less than one-third as much at slightly less than 1 percent.)
Because insurers are paid a fixed percentage of the claims they administer, they have no incentive to hold down costs. Worse than that, they have no incentives to do their jobs with even a modicum of competence. To take one small personal example, I have reached the age of Medicare eligibility but, because I continue to work full time, have primary health insurance coverage through my employer. Blue Shield, of course, wants to be sure it doesnt pay for any claim it doesnt have to, so I was asked to attest to the fact that I have no other insurance. No problem there, except such attestations seem to be required on almost a monthly basisrequiring my time on the phone (and on hold) with Blue Shields customer service, an oxymoronic term if there ever was one, and also requiring my doctor and laboratory to call me, call Blue Shield, or both, and thus also waste their time and resources.
I went to look for my book "Free Lunch" by David Cay Johnston. He has a section in the book that explains how the insurance companies went from being not-for-profit to being for-profit and how that added to our healthcare costs. I couldn't find the book but I found a link to an interview with him.
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/3812-david-cay-johnston-shows-that-the-rich-are-getting-a-free-lunch--and-guess-whos-picking-up-the-tab
"Twenty-some years ago in California, this idea came under assault in the health care field, and there was a court ruling that allowed a conversion to take place where the assets were acquired through a note with less than half the market interest, actually, payable fifteen years in the future. For a fraction of a penny on the dollar, these assets were sold, and they made the owners fabulously wealthy. This has gone on with Blue Cross-Blue Shield plans all across America, and with all sorts of other health care plans. It has created a whole series of health care billionaires."
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"Here's the important second aspect. Once you've acquired these nonprofit assets for pennies on the dollar or less, the first thing that a newly converted for-profit health care company does is they spend a smaller portion of your health care premium payment, of your insurance payment, on health care. Instead, they take about an additional dime out of that premium dollar and spend it on executive salaries and money flowing to the shareholders.
So previously, you paid a dollar, they had maybe a ten percent overhead cost for management. And ninety cents out of your dollar went to your health care. When these conversions take place, it's eighty percent. And I show in the book that they boast to their investors about this. It's called reducing your medical premium loss ratio.
So why do we want to have a system where you pay more and get less? That's what it is. It is a system to pay more and get less back.It makes no sense."
Cleita
(75,480 posts)It was an epiphany for me that led me on a long journey to studying our health care system and that of other countries. Health care should not be in the hands of insurance. It's a human necessity like food. Insurance is a business that bets against the odds that anyone will ever really need their services.
I would say another reason our health care costs are out of control is when doctor's are allowed to own shares of companies that perform MRIs, CAT scans, etc. This creates a conflict of interest. They may be tempted to send patients for redundant or unnecessary blood work or x-rays (or whatever) at a clinic of which they are owners.
Insurance is useful and necessary but the insurance companies should not be publicly traded. If they sell shares, they are beholden to their shareholders for quarterly profits. If they remained mutual companies, they would be beholden to their policyholders and would give better service if the owners (the policyholders) demanded it.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I find it even a more parasitic industry than the credit card industry. It does not belong in health care at all. As for disaster insurance, I want a state run insurance I can buy for my car, my house and for worker's comp and other disaster type insurance. I want private, corporate insurance to go the way of the dinosaurs. Fuggem!
zeos3
(1,078 posts)I share your view on how some "private, corporate" insurance companies are run. I just don't have as big a problem with insurers that are mutual companies or are not-for-profit.
The basic idea behind insurance is to spread the risk among as many people as possible. It seems to make sense that it would be best if we put everyone into the same risk pool. The problem is the idiots who don't want to "pay for someone else's..."
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)We have absolutely no need for them at all. They are the main reason our healthcare is the highest priced in the world. Just a middle man.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)to sit at the table when health care reform was being discussed.
Most Americans have no idea that they pay so much more than is necessary for health care.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)That was a really shameful episode in our history.
zeos3
(1,078 posts)...but I, sadly, don't have a hard time believing it.
green for victory
(591 posts)Baucuss Raucous Caucus: Doctors, Nurses and Activists Arrested Again for Protesting Exclusion of Single-Payer Advocates at Senate Hearing on Healthcare
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/13/baucus_raucus_caucus_doctors_nurses_and
Advocates of single-payer universal healthcare the system favored by most Americans continue to protest their exclusion from discussions on healthcare reform. On Tuesday, five doctors, nurses and single-payer advocates were arrested at a Senate Finance Committee hearing, bringing the total number of arrests in less than a week to thirteen. We speak with two of those arrested: Single Payer Action founder Russell Mokhiber and Dr. Margaret Flowers of Physicians for a National Health Program. [includes rush transcript]MORE--
Here's Max at work-skip to 2:40
History in the Making: Watch a Democrat have Single Payer Doctors and Nurses Arrested at a Hearing:
*THE* most shameful thing Democrats have EVER DONE
Who could blame any Democrat for forgetting this.
It's disgusting.
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zeos3
(1,078 posts)The most leftist, marxist, socialist president in the entire multiverse at the helm and somehow, single payer wasn't even an option...
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)Naturally our criminal class, being what they are, a bunch of cheap crooks in suits, crafted their "reform" around the central plan of elevating the insurance mafia to the level of government sponsored cartel.
We are ruled by thieves and gangsters.
zeos3
(1,078 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)too many middlemen that add nothing of value and only increase costs.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2136864,00.html#ixzz2QLmmCQAK
Daily Show interview here:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-21-2013/exclusive---steven-brill-extended-interview-pt--1
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-21-2013/exclusive---steven-brill-extended-interview-pt--2
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-21-2013/exclusive---steven-brill-extended-interview-pt--3
The hospitals, the medical device manufacturers and the drug companies are also robbing us blind. Warning to people with high blood pressure, take your meds before reading/ viewing.
zeos3
(1,078 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)I'm paying $680 a month (!!!), and my provider doesn't want to pay for my shingles vaccine. I don't even like to think about this too much or I start developing sympathies for suicide bombers.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)You would think that they would love Obamacare. Lots of formerly uninsured people are going to be coming to them to purchase health insurance - this is all money in their pockets without advertising. Instead they bitch about the regulations, the compliance, blah blah blah as if they are so put upon. In fact its the best thing that's ever happened to them. Even better for them than it is for the insured. But the greed and shortsightedness is so great that all they can do is WHINE.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)deductables and tests that they don't cover. I only go to in-network providers and they still manage to charge me up the ass. It is getting worse and worse every year. I am afraid that I just can't afford preventative care anymore. Which is a shame, because it costs a lot less in the long run.