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zeos3

(1,078 posts)
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:32 PM Apr 2013

The Reason Health Care Is So Expensive: Insurance Companies

Last edited Fri Apr 12, 2013, 10:27 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-10/the-reason-health-care-is-so-expensive-insurance-companies


More than 20 years ago, two Harvard professors published an article in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine showing that health-care administration cost somewhere between 19 percent and 24 percent of total spending on health care and that this administrative burden helped explain why health care costs so much in the U.S. compared, for instance, with Canada or the United Kingdom. An update of that analysis more than a decade later, after the diffusion of managed care and the widespread adoption of computerization, found that administration constituted some 30 percent of U.S. health-care costs and that the share of the health-care labor force comprising administrative (as opposed to care delivery) workers had grown 50 percent to constitute more than one of every four health-sector employees.

What remains missing even in the discussion of the enormous administrative burden is not just how large, both in absolute dollars and as a percentage of health costs, it is, but also how few incentives there are for insurance companies to stop wasting their and everyone else’s time. Most large employers, including mine, Stanford University, are self-insured, which means they pay for their own medical claims. These large employers invariably hire health insurance companies to “administer” their health-care dollars, doing things such as paying claims. Employers typically reimburse the insurers the amount of money they pay out to health-care providers plus a percentage of these costs. In Stanford’s case, we pay Blue Shield 3 percent of the amount, about $3 million a year. (Note that the overhead costs of Medicare are less than one-third as much at slightly less than 1 percent.)

Because insurers are paid a fixed percentage of the claims they administer, they have no incentive to hold down costs. Worse than that, they have no incentives to do their jobs with even a modicum of competence. To take one small personal example, I have reached the age of Medicare eligibility but, because I continue to work full time, have primary health insurance coverage through my employer. Blue Shield, of course, wants to be sure it doesn’t pay for any claim it doesn’t have to, so I was asked to attest to the fact that I have no other insurance. No problem there, except such attestations seem to be required on almost a monthly basis—requiring my time on the phone (and on hold) with Blue Shield’s customer service, an oxymoronic term if there ever was one, and also requiring my doctor and laboratory to call me, call Blue Shield, or both, and thus also waste their time and resources.




I went to look for my book "Free Lunch" by David Cay Johnston. He has a section in the book that explains how the insurance companies went from being not-for-profit to being for-profit and how that added to our healthcare costs. I couldn't find the book but I found a link to an interview with him.




http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/3812-david-cay-johnston-shows-that-the-rich-are-getting-a-free-lunch--and-guess-whos-picking-up-the-tab


"Twenty-some years ago in California, this idea came under assault in the health care field, and there was a court ruling that allowed a conversion to take place where the assets were acquired through a note with less than half the market interest, actually, payable fifteen years in the future. For a fraction of a penny on the dollar, these assets were sold, and they made the owners fabulously wealthy. This has gone on with Blue Cross-Blue Shield plans all across America, and with all sorts of other health care plans. It has created a whole series of health care billionaires."

-snip-

"Here's the important second aspect. Once you've acquired these nonprofit assets for pennies on the dollar or less, the first thing that a newly converted for-profit health care company does is they spend a smaller portion of your health care premium payment, of your insurance payment, on health care. Instead, they take about an additional dime out of that premium dollar and spend it on executive salaries and money flowing to the shareholders.


So previously, you paid a dollar, they had maybe a ten percent overhead cost for management. And ninety cents out of your dollar went to your health care. When these conversions take place, it's eighty percent. And I show in the book that they boast to their investors about this. It's called reducing your medical premium loss ratio.

So why do we want to have a system where you pay more and get less? That's what it is. It is a system to pay more and get less back.It makes no sense."
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The Reason Health Care Is So Expensive: Insurance Companies (Original Post) zeos3 Apr 2013 OP
Yep and I remember reading that article in a doctor's office waiting room. Cleita Apr 2013 #1
How ironic. zeos3 Apr 2013 #2
You and I are going to totally disagree on insurance. Cleita Apr 2013 #3
I wouldn't say we totally disagree... zeos3 Apr 2013 #7
Insurance companies are corrupt middle men sorefeet Apr 2013 #15
+1,000 Scuba Apr 2013 #14
But the Obama administration did not permit single payer advocates JDPriestly Apr 2013 #4
And they had the doctors arrested who attempted to make them let them. Cleita Apr 2013 #5
I don't remember this zeos3 Apr 2013 #10
This might help: Baucus Raucus Caucus green for victory Apr 2013 #11
Can you believe it? zeos3 Apr 2013 #8
So obviously true kenny blankenship Apr 2013 #6
Agreed. Money talks... n/t zeos3 Apr 2013 #9
K&R nt Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #12
It is the reason everything is so expensive Mnpaul Apr 2013 #13
Also check out Steven Brill's Time magazine article PA Democrat Apr 2013 #16
Thanks for the links. n/t zeos3 Apr 2013 #20
K & R Quantess Apr 2013 #17
National health care! Abolish those fucking parasite insurance companies. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #18
I recently worked for a health insurance company. undeterred Apr 2013 #19
I have health insurance through my company and I am still paying out my ass for smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #21

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. Yep and I remember reading that article in a doctor's office waiting room.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:35 PM
Apr 2013

It was an epiphany for me that led me on a long journey to studying our health care system and that of other countries. Health care should not be in the hands of insurance. It's a human necessity like food. Insurance is a business that bets against the odds that anyone will ever really need their services.

zeos3

(1,078 posts)
2. How ironic.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 10:39 PM
Apr 2013

I would say another reason our health care costs are out of control is when doctor's are allowed to own shares of companies that perform MRIs, CAT scans, etc. This creates a conflict of interest. They may be tempted to send patients for redundant or unnecessary blood work or x-rays (or whatever) at a clinic of which they are owners.

Insurance is useful and necessary but the insurance companies should not be publicly traded. If they sell shares, they are beholden to their shareholders for quarterly profits. If they remained mutual companies, they would be beholden to their policyholders and would give better service if the owners (the policyholders) demanded it.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
3. You and I are going to totally disagree on insurance.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 10:51 PM
Apr 2013

I find it even a more parasitic industry than the credit card industry. It does not belong in health care at all. As for disaster insurance, I want a state run insurance I can buy for my car, my house and for worker's comp and other disaster type insurance. I want private, corporate insurance to go the way of the dinosaurs. Fuggem!

zeos3

(1,078 posts)
7. I wouldn't say we totally disagree...
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 11:56 PM
Apr 2013

I share your view on how some "private, corporate" insurance companies are run. I just don't have as big a problem with insurers that are mutual companies or are not-for-profit.

The basic idea behind insurance is to spread the risk among as many people as possible. It seems to make sense that it would be best if we put everyone into the same risk pool. The problem is the idiots who don't want to "pay for someone else's..."

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
15. Insurance companies are corrupt middle men
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 09:46 AM
Apr 2013

We have absolutely no need for them at all. They are the main reason our healthcare is the highest priced in the world. Just a middle man.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
4. But the Obama administration did not permit single payer advocates
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 11:18 PM
Apr 2013

to sit at the table when health care reform was being discussed.

Most Americans have no idea that they pay so much more than is necessary for health care.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
5. And they had the doctors arrested who attempted to make them let them.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 11:28 PM
Apr 2013

That was a really shameful episode in our history.

 

green for victory

(591 posts)
11. This might help: Baucus Raucus Caucus
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:43 AM
Apr 2013

Baucus’s Raucous Caucus: Doctors, Nurses and Activists Arrested Again for Protesting Exclusion of Single-Payer Advocates at Senate Hearing on Healthcare

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/13/baucus_raucus_caucus_doctors_nurses_and

Advocates of single-payer universal healthcare — the system favored by most Americans — continue to protest their exclusion from discussions on healthcare reform. On Tuesday, five doctors, nurses and single-payer advocates were arrested at a Senate Finance Committee hearing, bringing the total number of arrests in less than a week to thirteen. We speak with two of those arrested: Single Payer Action founder Russell Mokhiber and Dr. Margaret Flowers of Physicians for a National Health Program. [includes rush transcript]MORE--

Here's Max at work-skip to 2:40

History in the Making: Watch a Democrat have Single Payer Doctors and Nurses Arrested at a Hearing:



*THE* most shameful thing Democrats have EVER DONE
Who could blame any Democrat for forgetting this.
It's disgusting.

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zeos3

(1,078 posts)
8. Can you believe it?
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 11:59 PM
Apr 2013

The most leftist, marxist, socialist president in the entire multiverse at the helm and somehow, single payer wasn't even an option...

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
6. So obviously true
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 11:28 PM
Apr 2013

Naturally our criminal class, being what they are, a bunch of cheap crooks in suits, crafted their "reform" around the central plan of elevating the insurance mafia to the level of government sponsored cartel.

We are ruled by thieves and gangsters.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
13. It is the reason everything is so expensive
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:43 AM
Apr 2013

too many middlemen that add nothing of value and only increase costs.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
18. National health care! Abolish those fucking parasite insurance companies.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:06 PM
Apr 2013

I'm paying $680 a month (!!!), and my provider doesn't want to pay for my shingles vaccine. I don't even like to think about this too much or I start developing sympathies for suicide bombers.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
19. I recently worked for a health insurance company.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:12 PM
Apr 2013

You would think that they would love Obamacare. Lots of formerly uninsured people are going to be coming to them to purchase health insurance - this is all money in their pockets without advertising. Instead they bitch about the regulations, the compliance, blah blah blah as if they are so put upon. In fact its the best thing that's ever happened to them. Even better for them than it is for the insured. But the greed and shortsightedness is so great that all they can do is WHINE.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. I have health insurance through my company and I am still paying out my ass for
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:09 PM
Apr 2013

deductables and tests that they don't cover. I only go to in-network providers and they still manage to charge me up the ass. It is getting worse and worse every year. I am afraid that I just can't afford preventative care anymore. Which is a shame, because it costs a lot less in the long run.

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