Right here: The problem with what calls itself "the Left" in a nutshell:

[patrice]

An example of the fundamental dynamic:

Because Rahm Emanuel (or whomever) said/did something so horrible to me/"us", I/"we" get to do the same thing to others, because by virtue of our righteousness I/"we" have acquired the PRIVILEGE of doing what we condemn in others:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2651774

You know, DU, honest to god, I'd really like to sign on with the Left, if it were the real deal, but what calls itself "the Left" needs a mirror. It keeps proving that the very things that it condemns in others are its own privileges, because they are "right" and ALL of the rest of us are WRONG.

Sound familiar?

[daleanime]

1. seriously....

huh?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

2. +1

So sad and so true!

[Marr]

3. Weren't you telling me earlier how we have to accept and support corporate shills because

they have big money donors to please, and can't afford to think about "the left"?

http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2651767

Yeah, you'll have to forgive me if I can't take you seriously when you describe 'the problem with the left'.

[patrice]

6. wow. Put words in other people's mouths much? Twisting what people say is propaganda. nt

[Marr]

10. No, just summmarizing the word salad. /nt

[patrice]

12. REPETITION of a typical propaganda phrase. Got anything better than that? Something ORIGINAL???

I bet not.

[Marr]

14. I can't take you seriously, sorry.

Have a nice evening.

[Warpy]

20. I can't take any of these corporate Democrats seriously

when they complain about "the left."

The problem is that "the left" is right about nearly all economic matters. They're just bad for the bottom line since they insist a day's living wage for a day's work and other radical ideas.

Most of the time I just let them squawk.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Actually, I was doing it to myself.

Self-deprecating humor with a side order of searing commentary. My people are programmed for this.

[MrSlayer]

5. You're wrong about this.

Manny wasn't calling people retarded in a malicious way as that asshole Rahm did. He was using the asshole's words as a badge of honor. Saying that now that the President is calling for cuts in SS, a lot more people are joining the side of the "fucking retarded" liberals that actually stand for real Democratic values and not Reaganite bullshit.

How you can interpret what he did there as the same as what Rahm did is beyond me. The fact that I have to explain this is disheartening.

[patrice]

9. Manny, tell MrSlayer WHO you called a bunch of "Fucking Retards", please and thank you. nt

[idwiyo]

23. People like me who hold it as a badge of Honour. How you managed to misunderstand that is

totally beyond me.

Now, how about you apologise to Manny for the BS you are trying to push in this OP.

[Mojorabbit]

17. +1000 nt

[idwiyo]

7. Actually it was White House Chief of Stuff who said it and yes, it was Rahm Emanuel.

Now, spare me your outrage unless you can show your posts denouncing than White House Chief of Stuff for using those words.

[patrice]

11. You're only proving the point I made in OP, about MG calling those who disagree with him "Fucking

Retards".

It's okay for MannyGoldstein to do it. It must be okay for Rham Emanuel to do it too. That is, unless, as I said in OP, MannyGoldstein is PRIVILEGED.

[MrSlayer]

21. He DID NOT do what you are saying he did.

Why are you insisting on pushing a lie?

[idwiyo]

22. Why do you keep pushing a lie? Manny did not call people who disagree with him "fucking retards".

Where did you get that from?

Am I right to assume you don't have a link to one single post of yours to show how much you were outraged over White House Chief of Stuff calling Left wing of Democratic Party "fuking retards"?

You are welcome to post those links any time you like.

[DonCoquixote]

24. in all fairness

manny was responding to a stupid tacless move by Rahm Emmanuel, where he used a personal insult that, if he said it on DU, would make him get his post pulled for a TOS violation. No that there is not a group of SELF DESCRIBED leftists that do not engage in stupid behavior that is not winning them friends, but Manny is reacting to what Rahm did. Rahm, the man who wrecked Obama's first term.

[tkmorris]

34. Oh fer chrissake this is RIDICULOUS

Manny was NOT calling anyone who disagreed with him anything. He was claiming the label Rahm put on people like Manny, and me, in a tongue in cheek fashion. Let me repeat that. He was using the term to describe HIMSELF, and others on the Left.

I think you are willfully misunderstanding this in order to find some avenue for attacking him. I can't see any other motivation for you refusing to understand what is so completely obvious to everyone else.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

8. The only problem people like you have with "the left"

is that they're not gullible and easily led.

Why are you threatened by those who are able to think for themselves? How would you react to a Republican president proposing cuts to SS? Is there a threshold? Or is everything this president does, no matter who his policies harm, okay?

[patrice]

13. I'm tired. I suggest you search my user name. I am among the first socialists on this board. nt

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

16. If by "socialists" you mean apologetic, hero worshiping tool,

then I can't argue that.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

15. Ah, looks like the useral fans are posting.

But you are, as usual, doing a great job of holding your own. Wish I could do as good!

[idwiyo]

25. Got any links to show how outraged you were when White House Chief of Stuff used those words?

Bonus if you could show you thought calling anyone "fucking (insert here politically correct equivalent of "retarded&quot " was not acceptable.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

31. What does showing outrage about the Chief of Staff have over being upset over those...

that know better and did say it was wrong use of the same nasty wording?

It is about people using insensitive remarks that one says and think it is OK to repeat it. For some reason many think that they have a privilege in saying it, just because they got angry before.

Well guess what? It does not. patrice has the right of it!

And as usual many come in to attack. Why? Guilt, I say it again, Guilt! They know it is wrong and yet they go along with it. They have done it so many times themselves either on the internet or in real life that the only way to try a keep the guilt from eating them to death is to agree and argue in the defense of those that do the same wrong thing. To try and white wash it right.

With the way the number of posts were, I decided to sign out to take a look. Low and behold, many of those that were going after patrice are many that I have on ignore and are the userals for thinking that “Well I did say it was bad so I can now use that phrase now” group.

And I say again, Bravo patrice! You are holding your own very well against the dark tide! Wish I was as good as holding up for what is right as you!

[hfojvt]

18. people generally believe that they are right

and they also believe that those who disagree with them are wrong, sometimes egregiously so.

So I don't know what you are trying to prove with your penultimate statement.

[Rex]

19. What the hell I kicked the other thread.

Don't now no one go talking about Fight Club. It don't exist.

[Oilwellian]

26. I don't think I've ever seen a more severe case of...

willful myopic delusion. Please, you need to take a break. You're not seeing things very clearly.

[Deep13]

27. Truthfully, no, I don't know what you mean. nt

[Zorra]

28. Rush Limbuagh despises the Left too.

Just like everyone else on the right does.

[progressoid]

29. The point.

You missed it.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

32. No, you have.

To use nasty wording as was/is being used is counter productive. Two wrongs never make a right. And in this case it is doing wrong over and over again.

We must be on the high ground. To keep using that phrase is keeping all of us down.

[progressoid]

33. Perhaps I see it differently.

I agree that phase shouldn't be used. I don't think it was a 'two wrongs make a right' situation. Or like the OP said, 'Because somebody else did it, we get to do it too'.
It, and many other slurs, are a not-so-subtle reminder of how the left wing of the Democratic Party is regarded by the administration.

[Phillip McCleod]

30. methinks someone misses meta.. \n

[In_The_Wind]

35. methinks someone is correct ...

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