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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:15 AM Apr 2013

Every morning I kiss him good morning and say hi, and he's the last thing I kiss before I go to bed.

"...And every night I beg for him to come to me in my dreams so I can see him again, and during the day I just focus on what I need to do to honour him to make change."



Grieving mother wants gun controls

The mother of a British boy shot dead in the Sandy Hook school massacre has spoken of "finding her voice" in the campaign for gun law changes.

Six-year-old Dylan Hockley was one of 20 children and six teachers killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, in December.

Every morning his mother Nicole Hockley kisses his urn before focusing on her campaign for tighter restrictions on guns, she told American television station CBS.

She and the families of some other children killed in the shooting will bring their emotional campaign for "common sense laws" to a national level when President Barack Obama travels to Connecticut. It comes a week after the group helped to push through the nation's most restrictive firearms law in the state.

Read More: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/grieving-mother-wants-gun-controls-29180354.html
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Every morning I kiss him good morning and say hi, and he's the last thing I kiss before I go to bed. (Original Post) Robb Apr 2013 OP
So much unrelenting pain. HappyMe Apr 2013 #1
Goddammit Happyhippychick Apr 2013 #2
God Damn the NRA! lastlib Apr 2013 #68
I can't imagine what a mess we would be if our grandson rurallib Apr 2013 #3
And dozens of fresh families are destroyed weekly. Robb Apr 2013 #11
+++++ BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #22
Bravo!! Bravo!! lastlib Apr 2013 #30
I just wish there were more gun accidents for THOSE people. Moostache Apr 2013 #59
My dear rurallib, I respectfully ask that you DO imagine. lapislzi Apr 2013 #44
I do - everyday rurallib Apr 2013 #76
Understood. But that is exactly what one of the dads said we must do. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #73
NRA should add her story to their so-called gun training. Require it before purchasing a gun. Hoyt Apr 2013 #4
Like warnings on cigarette packages. randome Apr 2013 #21
Awful LittleBlue Apr 2013 #5
a mother's grief warrior1 Apr 2013 #6
How can we possibly ignore it????? tblue Apr 2013 #25
Folks with heavily invested emotions... Sharpie Apr 2013 #63
It requires a psychopath NOT to be affected by her story. Robb Apr 2013 #64
That's what Rush says. Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #70
Whoops. Robb Apr 2013 #78
Yeah baby! Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #79
Gun culture people don't have a clue ... 99Forever Apr 2013 #67
"Sandy Hook Promise" marions ghost Apr 2013 #7
DAMMIT! The TEARS!!! IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #8
Overwhelmingly sad BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #9
It may be. Robb Apr 2013 #10
Should be required watching ramapo Apr 2013 #12
"the religious fervor that somehow equates owning guns without limits to freedom from tyranny" Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #18
Well said, we've already seen it with Nugent sneering about Obama talking about children at the SOTU freshwest Apr 2013 #34
They were the ones who went from "Family Values" and "Focus on the Family",... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #36
Their 'family values' schtick was always very narrow. Their individual family was the only one that freshwest Apr 2013 #37
Their idea of "family values" meant "home schooling" too.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #38
It's an entire generation brought up without any moderating voice of community. Divide and rule. freshwest Apr 2013 #39
This disease infiltrated my family as well defacto7 Apr 2013 #40
I've known people like that in the South.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #45
You mean the religion that is the NRA? AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #74
My heart just breaks..... gblady Apr 2013 #13
So sad. llmart Apr 2013 #14
I lost my 9 year old son to cancer demwing Apr 2013 #15
...I can't imagine... progressoid Apr 2013 #17
I am so sorry for your loss BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #23
Oh my. Robb Apr 2013 #24
What a touching story about your son's death Frustratedlady Apr 2013 #33
If there was anything positive involved in my family's loss, the "time to adjust" was it demwing Apr 2013 #35
OMG. Your post is going to haunt me for a long time. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #46
You are a remarkable human being. Number23 Apr 2013 #53
Unimaginable. RudynJack Apr 2013 #54
I'm sorry, demwing mokawanis Apr 2013 #60
I am so sorry. What a horrible thing for you to go through. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #62
My heart goes out to you and your obviously cool son. go west young man Apr 2013 #75
This is heartbreaking...knr joeybee12 Apr 2013 #16
The American Public is with you. Unfortunately, moneyed interests are not. Junkdrawer Apr 2013 #19
Brutal. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #20
K&R abelenkpe Apr 2013 #26
Made me cry. No words, really. LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #27
More peace and less fast and furious.... Notice the surge of violence since these guns were lost.... midnight Apr 2013 #28
I feel sick that these nice people came to this twisted, insane country Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #29
He reminds me of my 9-year-old. He could be anybody's kid. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #31
I am sending his picture to my Congress-thing, lastlib Apr 2013 #32
MADD began slowly as well,, benld74 Apr 2013 #41
shame, shame, shame on congress spanone Apr 2013 #42
... defacto7 Apr 2013 #43
"Gun Rightists" conspicuously absent here. Robb Apr 2013 #47
Ya...what is up with that? Rex Apr 2013 #56
Because there is no need to respond. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #77
Thank god more people watch sixty minutes than fox kimbutgar Apr 2013 #48
"every night I beg for him to come to me in my dreams so I can see him again...." NO. WORDS. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #49
Nothing hurts like losing a child. riqster Apr 2013 #50
americans are going to turn out just like the phillipino people riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #51
"I just kept looking. I kept looking." Robb Apr 2013 #52
Well, you just ruined my morning Number23 Apr 2013 #55
Watching these parents on 60 Minutes last night Curmudgeoness Apr 2013 #57
She is a true American hero bottomofthehill Apr 2013 #58
I think of this woman, and then I consider people like LaPierre mokawanis Apr 2013 #61
so so so so so sad. cvoogt Apr 2013 #66
I wish my dead son back Go Vols Apr 2013 #69
So full of life and potential! eridani Apr 2013 #71
And the answer to this tragedy is more. damn. guns. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #72
This is just so absolutely heartbreaking. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #80

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
3. I can't imagine what a mess we would be if our grandson
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:21 AM
Apr 2013

was taken from us. Especially in such a senseless way.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
11. And dozens of fresh families are destroyed weekly.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:15 AM
Apr 2013

This is what resonated for me, how utterly destroyed I'd be as a parent.

Then to see these families screwing up their courage and pushing into the limelight to try to help other families? I mean, I wonder. Could I do that? Could I ever look past the grief I'd feel we're my child taken from me, and think about other peoples' kids?

And we have the gall to not stop everything we're doing and give these parents our full attention whenever they speak?

lastlib

(23,224 posts)
30. Bravo!! Bravo!!
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:58 PM
Apr 2013

If you want to see massive, unmitigated gall, look no further than the NRA and its bullet-head allies who would sacrifice our children so they can fellate their gun barrels every night....

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Moostache

(9,895 posts)
59. I just wish there were more gun accidents for THOSE people.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:46 PM
Apr 2013

And far, far fewer for the innocent.

Just thinking about the pain of those parents and the smugness of navel lint like Wayne LaPierre makes me tremble with anger.

What I want to know is WHY the fuck can we have "democrats" that can vote for things like cuts to Social Security or blank checks for war or against health care for all (things that should be utterly anathema to them) and yet on the other side, they remain in 100% compliance and lockstep to the tune of their paymasters.

As much as I hate the Republican talking points and agenda items, I am always stunned by the way they keep on winning issue after issue through nothing more than attrition. Please God, let THIS be the one time that they fail and that they find the courage to buck the NRA.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
44. My dear rurallib, I respectfully ask that you DO imagine.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:12 PM
Apr 2013

Every one of us has a duty to imagine the unimaginable. Unless, as David Wheeler so eloquently stated, if we cannot look in the mirror and say, "this will never happen in my community, to me, to my neighbors," then nothing will change, and someday it WILL happen to you or someone close to you.

It wasn't me, until it was.

Imagine it.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
73. Understood. But that is exactly what one of the dads said we must do.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:10 AM
Apr 2013

That's what he meant when he said to look yourself in the mirror and honestly answer the question of whether or not we are doing enough to control guns.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
25. How can we possibly ignore it?????
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:26 PM
Apr 2013

It's the worst thing in the world. She is exactly who we should listen to. Not the paranoid brutes with itchy trigger fingers.

 

Sharpie

(64 posts)
63. Folks with heavily invested emotions...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:19 PM
Apr 2013

... are less likely to come up with a rational and reasonable response on any issue.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
64. It requires a psychopath NOT to be affected by her story.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:02 PM
Apr 2013

Shall we leave the policymaking to the psychopaths?

Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #65)

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
67. Gun culture people don't have a clue ...
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:08 AM
Apr 2013

... what rational or reasonable even mean.

Gun culture is a mental illness.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
7. "Sandy Hook Promise"
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:28 AM
Apr 2013

The families, who have come together to form campaign group Sandy Hook Promise, are urging senators to vote to expand background checks for gun purchases, strengthen laws against gun trafficking and ban ammunition magazines with more than 10 rounds. During their lobbying the families have carried photos of their children so politicians can "see what's gone and remember this isn't just about political parties, this isn't just about careers, this is about people and this is about making change to save people".

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
8. DAMMIT! The TEARS!!!
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:28 AM
Apr 2013

His smile -- My God, I don't even know him, and he is *my* son.

Or he could be. I will support his woman and her fight.

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
9. Overwhelmingly sad
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:28 AM
Apr 2013

What a beautiful child; what an awful burden for all of these parents. It would be nice if the legislative sausage factory could produce a measure of solace for them and improve the country a little bit in the process. Is it so much to ask?

ramapo

(4,588 posts)
12. Should be required watching
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:32 AM
Apr 2013

I saw the 60 minutes segment last night with the Sandy Hook parents. It was wrenching to watch.

The closing comments were how even the background check is in serious doubt of passing the House/Senate.


By only comment is that we are governed by a majority of scumbags. Low life pond scum more interested in catering to the religious fervor that somehow equates owning guns without limits to freedom from tyranny. This religion overrides any concern for human life.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. "the religious fervor that somehow equates owning guns without limits to freedom from tyranny"
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:02 PM
Apr 2013

Don't forget the other part of the GOP that equates having "feelings" with weakness. Then there is the part that gets off on making Liberals upset. And another part that laughs at jokes where the punch line is death to a Liberal or a minority or a foreigner or even a woman. They would see this OP and attack the mother and claim the kid was a delinquent.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
34. Well said, we've already seen it with Nugent sneering about Obama talking about children at the SOTU
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:14 PM
Apr 2013

Their consciences are seared, they will never come back to humanity.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
36. They were the ones who went from "Family Values" and "Focus on the Family",...
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:24 PM
Apr 2013

...and "Think of the Children" to seeing a first grade class turn into a meat grinder and saying it shouldn't matter if it means Billy Bob can't sleep with a well oiled Bushmaster.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
37. Their 'family values' schtick was always very narrow. Their individual family was the only one that
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:32 PM
Apr 2013

ever mattered, and extension of the forever greedy ME and MINE. Any other family they could profit off, dispose of to get more for ME and MINE, they were all for it.

I've seen these 'family values' where they shine brightest in the country. It's their clan and blood relations and nothing they do to others is illegal to them if they get ahead. NOTHING.

Okay, a bit off there, but it's the same mentality and it's impossible to break because they benefit from it. If it's not THEIR kids, just forget about it and let god sort 'em out...


 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
38. Their idea of "family values" meant "home schooling" too....
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:40 PM
Apr 2013

They wanted the GOVERNMENT to pay them to teach their kids at home. The reason they didn't want their kids in public education was because they didn't want the races to mix and they wanted their authoritarian religion included.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
40. This disease infiltrated my family as well
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:07 PM
Apr 2013

One of my brothers has raised his family as home schooled separated from society and armed to the teeth. Their issues don't include racism but an extremist view of religion, Armageddon and an iron curtain to separate their family from the "ravages" of a liberal society that might corrupt them with evil. They have become some of the most evil, psychologically bent and self obsessed people I know. Very sad.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
45. I've known people like that in the South....
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:20 PM
Apr 2013

It's like visiting the cast from "The Hills Have Eyes" minus the cannibalism.

Even then,...you get the idea that would be a possibility....

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
74. You mean the religion that is the NRA?
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:15 AM
Apr 2013

And politicians who want to hold on to their power even though it may mean more innocents getting killed? All because some in this country have to have their damn guns?

Right now on my local news they're running a clip of Obama and his remarks to Newtown after the shootings. "We will not walk away."

gblady

(3,541 posts)
13. My heart just breaks.....
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:51 AM
Apr 2013

watching that segment was very difficult....both my caregiving client and I were wiping away the tears....

then the fury and disbelief that NOTHING may be done about it...what is wrong with our country?

Every congress person should have to watch that before voting.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
14. So sad.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:54 AM
Apr 2013

I can't imagine how this mother gets herself out of bed each morning to face another day without her baby. I do not think I could go on if that happened to my children, even now that they're adults.

I also can't imagine why we even have something like the NRA and Guns America (or whatever the hell their name is) in our society.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
15. I lost my 9 year old son to cancer
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:57 AM
Apr 2013

his death lasted months, it was horrible, painful, and I am a broken man as a result.

Yet I consider myself fortunate...

I had a chance to tell my son goodbye. I had the chance to acclimate myself to the coming change. My son had the chance to speak his final words in my ear. When my son died, he was smiling.

He was not taken from me in the course of one afternoon, he was not ripped apart by some deranged psychotic. He was not hiding in fear of his life, terrified and alone, watching his friends and teacher die around him. He was surrounded by love.

I consider my son fortunate as well.

My heart has already been broken, but breaks once again for the Sandy Hook parents. Any society that allows such horrors to happen under the cover of "maintaining our constitutional rights" is a society that doesn't deserve to exist. Any society that would chooses gun rights over the life of a single child is a society that is already dead.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
23. I am so sorry for your loss
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:10 PM
Apr 2013

But I know how precious those final moments are, and I totally agree that it's so shameful to think that was stolen from these parents as well. To think your child died in fear and pain is unspeakable.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
33. What a touching story about your son's death
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:09 PM
Apr 2013

I'm sure this horrible Sandy Hook shooting brought all that pain to the surface for you, even though our pain is never truly gone with the loss of a child. But, to be able to look back on the positives of his leaving has to be a plus for you...if there are any pluses that can be found.

My heart goes out to all parents involved with losing their children and staff during Sandy Hook, but also to all parents who have lost children before their time, no matter where they might be

.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
35. If there was anything positive involved in my family's loss, the "time to adjust" was it
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:21 PM
Apr 2013

I can't begin to fathom how crushing it would be to go through what those parents and families went through.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
46. OMG. Your post is going to haunt me for a long time.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:30 PM
Apr 2013

It just ripped my heart out. I have a 9 year old son. I couldn't imagine anything worse than that happening. But you're right. At least he did not die in terror watching his friends and teacher get slaughtered.

mokawanis

(4,440 posts)
60. I'm sorry, demwing
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:57 PM
Apr 2013

No parent should have to endure what you went through. I'm just glad to know you were there by his side, giving him your love and helping him through it.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
75. My heart goes out to you and your obviously cool son.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 07:30 AM
Apr 2013

To have such an understanding and honest dad he must of been a super cool kid. The collective consciousness (mother universe) has him now as one day it has all of us.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
19. The American Public is with you. Unfortunately, moneyed interests are not.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:03 PM
Apr 2013

And in our "Plutocracy with a Democratic Face&quot tm), you're likely only to get lip service.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,181 posts)
20. Brutal.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:05 PM
Apr 2013

There's never been a news story that's hit me as deep as Sandy Hook. Never.

Being a dad plays a big part of it.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
26. K&R
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:46 PM
Apr 2013

Heartbreaking! Little guy looks so much like my eight year old son. I cant imagine her grief. It's sad that we haven't already done more to prevent gun violence.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
28. More peace and less fast and furious.... Notice the surge of violence since these guns were lost....
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:47 PM
Apr 2013


 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
29. I feel sick that these nice people came to this twisted, insane country
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:51 PM
Apr 2013

full of gun nuts and their precious little boy met this end.

lastlib

(23,224 posts)
32. I am sending his picture to my Congress-thing,
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:08 PM
Apr 2013

and asking her to post it on her desk, and to ask herself daily what she is doing to stop this carnage. It won't do any good; she's a bought-and-paid-for NRA/Tea Party stooge. But maybe it'll give her a momentary twinge of guilt when she accepts their campaign blood-money/bribes.

benld74

(9,904 posts)
41. MADD began slowly as well,,
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:07 PM
Apr 2013

I predict this will gather steam and keep moving forward. NRA, be very afraid.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
77. Because there is no need to respond.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 11:19 AM
Apr 2013

This parent's grief is real and the death of her son is unacceptable. Just as all the individual cases are from the Sand Hook massacre.

The criminal use of guns and the tragedies that result, however, can't support a piece of flawed legislation like the AWB and background checks wouldn't impact this type of massacre at all. That's why the legislation is failing or having trouble moving forward.

I support a compromise background check law and think it will pass.

It may be true that most of the proposed gun control measures have overall support from the population, but gun control is a little bit like electoral politics. You have to win it state by state and that won't happen.


kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
48. Thank god more people watch sixty minutes than fox
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:36 PM
Apr 2013

I was tearing up last night watching this. I just could not imagine losing a child to this senseless violence. We can't allow the NRA and extreme right wing to win on this.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
50. Nothing hurts like losing a child.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:32 PM
Apr 2013

She has the right of it, and expressed it far more eloquently than I ever could.

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
51. americans are going to turn out just like the phillipino people
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:54 PM
Apr 2013

That the HBO new show Vice shows this week. They love their guns too and believe it is their right. Watch it.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
52. "I just kept looking. I kept looking."
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:18 PM
Apr 2013

"It started to be fewer and fewer parents in the room. And they asked everyone who was left to come into a back room."

Number23

(24,544 posts)
55. Well, you just ruined my morning
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:38 PM
Apr 2013

But I'm glad that you did. Those people are remarkable examples of humanity at its finest. The dignity with which they hold themselves should be an example to everyone. The love for their children shines.

That woman at about the 7 minute mark just about did me in though when she said "it feels as if this just happened a moment ago and yet, it's been YEARS since I've seen my son." God bless them all.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
57. Watching these parents on 60 Minutes last night
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:28 PM
Apr 2013

was one of the hardest things I have ever watched on TV. I wish them success with their campaign...and comfort for their pain.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
58. She is a true American hero
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:43 PM
Apr 2013

I wish her every success so she can hopefully feel that some good comes from her tragic loss

mokawanis

(4,440 posts)
61. I think of this woman, and then I consider people like LaPierre
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:07 PM
Apr 2013

I'm moved by her story and filled with admiration for her. In awe of her strength and her commitment to her son.

Then I think of dirtballs like Wayne LaPierre and I'm filled with a contempt that borders on hatred.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
71. So full of life and potential!
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:28 AM
Apr 2013

My keyboard is wet, but my resolve to do something about this is strengthened.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
72. And the answer to this tragedy is more. damn. guns.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:08 AM
Apr 2013

The pain these parents are feeling is unfathomable.

We owe it to them -- and to their children -- to find some answer to this madness, other than adding to the arsenal.

It's been shown time and again that the public wants more stringent gun control, but the fucking NRA is still in charge of setting policy.

As one dad said -- you think it can't happen to you, you think it can't happen to your child, UNTIL IT DOES.

And yet, we want even more guns.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
80. This is just so absolutely heartbreaking.
Tue Apr 9, 2013, 08:44 PM
Apr 2013

Why does the gun lobby need to add insult to injury. It is really so cruel. I just don't understand it. My heart breaks for those poor children and their families.

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