Premature and possibly out of line, but maybe I am not alone

[ClarkJonathanKent]

I don't want Hillary to run. I think she would be a fine candidate, probably no better than anyone else, and certainly no worse. That being said, think about how much the right wing hated her husband? They hate her even more. I'm kind of tired of having to deal with their non-stop stupidity and imagined non-scandals. When her husband was President, they distracted him and this country with relentless litigation and investigations. For some reason, I think it will be worse with her. I just think it will drive them nuts, and in the end, our country will be worse off for it. Does it suck that a competent candidate should bow out to avoid the irrational reaction of nutjobs? Absolutely. Will they hate almost any candidate that presents themselves as a Democrat, and make up stories about them building concentration camps and taking away our guns? Absolutely. I just think it would be far worse if that Democrat is Hillary. And frankly, I am also a little tired of political dynasties. I don't think Bill Clinton was all that great that the Clintons should now be a dynasty.

[Cleita]

1. Thanks for your opinion on this and welcome to DU.

[winter is coming]

2. Meh. If she wants to throw her hat in the ring, more power to her.

I don't really care if she runs or not.

[babylonsister]

3. If a Dem is elected again, the irrational

nutjobs will be out in force regardless of who won. And I know you're not advocating that a rethug win.

Welcome to DU.

[JDPriestly]

4. I agree. Besides I do not share Hillary's stances on a number of issues.

Foreign trade agreements, special visas for foreign workers, Walmart, the War in Iraq, just a number of issues. I would prefer a candidate with a stronger record on the economy. Bill Clinton signed the bill that did away with Glass-Steagall. Remember. Hillary is in thick with Wall Street. She could not have an independent view of what goes on there.

And, as you point out, the dynasty issue is a problem. We already had two Bush's -- two too many.

I liked Bill but I don't want a reprise. I want to move forward. Obama has not gone nearly far enough -- not even in his rhetoric.

[Cleita]

6. I want fresh faces too, not recycled Washington insiders. n/t

[theoldman]

5. Hillary will do a much better job than Obama in standing up to the Republicans.

Don't forget that Bill had a Republican congress and with luck Hillary will have a Democrat congress.

[PolitFreak]

7. Either way, she'll be tougher on the GOP

[cantbeserious]

8. America Does Not Need Another "Third Way" Democrat - Two Have Been Enough

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[JHB]

9. I hate how dynastic politics has become too. However...

...the big question is "then who?" And how could you really tell? At this same point in 2005 Hillary was the presumed likely candidate and outside of Illinois the main thing most people would associate with Obama's name is one word: "Who?"

In 2008 Clinton and Obama were not my favorites in the primaries because the were both DLC-aligned and unlikely to push financial reforms to the extent needed. Once it came down to the two of them, though, I preferred Obama precisely because I didn't care for the dynastic element of Clinton's run. And with Obama there was at least some faint hope of not rehashing the hunting of Bill Clinton. (faint)

But if she won I'd have backed her.

2016 is still a long way off. There might be a health issue or scandal (or sideswipe of one) that may cause her to not run. But whether she does or doesn't, the question is who else? Who is in the wings to run against her in the primaries? Who would be the next prospect if she lost the presidential election? If she won, who would be the next prospect for possibly 2020 and definitely 2024?

So who do I want for 2016? Someone who recognizes that "bipartisanship" with the Republicans as they currently exist is a fool's errand, and and will make a project of isolating the zealots and undermining their support networks.

Heck, I want that for 2013.

[dsc]

10. Isn't this the arguement we heard in 08

Obama would be the post partisan President and would get along with the GOP. How did that work out?

[Buns_of_Fire]

11. On the other hand...

She's already been "pre-scandaled". I don't think there are many nutbaggers willing to bring up Vince Foster or the like (well, Ted Cruz maybe, but he's got about as much of a chance as I do).

On the other other hand, we'd probably be in for at least twelve months of "Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi" over and over and over.

But I agree, it might be a little premature to even be worrying much about it right now. We've got plenty of things to get our knickers in a twist about for the next year or so.

[Marie Marie]

12. Biden 2016!

I don't understand how Hillary's desire to be President supercedes our Vice-President - who usually has the first shot at being the party's nominee. Biden has been an excellent VP and derserves a shot if he wants to run. She made a great SoS but I don't agree with many of her views and Biden is much more progressive than Hillary ever was. He is also knows how to "work" congress by schmoozing them but can also get in and fight like Hell when necessary. And me too, tired of dynasties.