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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 06:01 PM Apr 2013

we can't have a progressive candidate when there is no progressive movement that extends beyond the

world of progressive activist. Yes Hilary is a corporate-militarist-DLC type centrist. But the vast majority of Americans - even Democrats - even self-identified liberal or progressive Democrats don't know that. For every American who thinks Hilary is far to the right - I can guarantee you that there are three who think she is far to the left and half of them think she is probably a calculatedly evil Marxist-Lesbian with an agenda to impose her anti-Christian secular socialist order - under Sharia Law. That is the unfortunate reality of where the American body politic is at these days. More Americans - a lot more think those corporate-militarist-DLC type centrist are really Marxist in disguise than think they are far to the right.


If we want to run and elect a progressive Presidential candidate - we first have to have a progressive movement - - Not just a world of core left-wing activist - but a movement that gets ordinary people thinking about a progressive agenda.

If Hillary runs - she will pretty much clear the field - which does open a space for a progressive alternative candidate to raise the moral flag during the primaries and at the convention. I doubt that Sen. Warren would run if Hilary is in the race. I suspect she is not one to enter a race that she doesn't think she has a very good chance of winning. I don't think it is very likely that such a progressive alternative dark horse candidate of the left - will likely win the nomination in 2016 - presuming Hilary runs - But, finding this progressive alternative dark horse candidate of the left can be a giant and necessary stepping stone in building a national progressive movement that extends beyond the boundaries of activist and true believers.

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we can't have a progressive candidate when there is no progressive movement that extends beyond the (Original Post) Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 OP
not wanting to appear ageist (Hillary is in fact my age)... oldhippydude Apr 2013 #1
vice presidents don't often get elected (Bush is the only one I think) rurallib Apr 2013 #3
Richard Trumka 2016 JaneyVee Apr 2013 #2

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
1. not wanting to appear ageist (Hillary is in fact my age)...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 06:24 PM
Apr 2013

we should be prepared for a Hillary single term.. with a real progressive as vice, a young progressive... I suppose an Asian, or Hispanic would be best

rurallib

(62,415 posts)
3. vice presidents don't often get elected (Bush is the only one I think)
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 07:23 PM
Apr 2013

without having first been president.

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