A kind request to Hillary Clinton supporters...

[Ken Burch]

At this point, you back her, no matter what. That's your call.

But, in the interest of making it much easier for her to win in 2016, could you at least work to get her to change the aspects of her program and her implicit platform that are objectionable to progressives and supporters of global social justice and peace?

Could you work to get her to back off on the militarism and the hardcore support of the "national security state"?

And could you please work to get her to break, at least somewhat, with globalism and the whole corporate agenda?

I'm pretty sure that most of you, at heart, don't like her positions on those things(wars of interest and free trade can never produce progressive, humanist, socially just results again)...and she'd lose nothing if she did change on those things.

Obviously, you're gonna back her no matter what, but could you use your positions as loyalists to get her to go where the party, most of the country and the world is, rather than where the Pentagon and Wall Street are?

You'd only be helping her chances, after all.

[msanthrope]

1. Hang on....I'll call her. nt

[ZombieHorde]

2. Are you still talking to her?

How did it go?

[msanthrope]

7. Very well...she and I are of an age to remember Donald Segretti.....

Here's a column from 2008 that explains.

[1monster]

15. Wasn't he the squirrelly looking guy with the beaver teeth who hung around with

Chuck Colson and played all those (un)funny little tricks on the Democratic candidates -- like having a naked woman hold up signs for Muskie and all that? One of those CREEP guys?

[PolitFreak]

23. Yep

[msanthrope]

35. Why yes, yes he was....paleo-concern trolling, I call it. nt

[1monster]

52. Um... perhaps I'm not tracking too well tonight -- could you explain your comment?

I think I've just been called an old time troll -- and for the life of me, I can't figure out why and what concern I'm trolling.

[msanthrope]

53. I apologize--Segretti is the paleo-concern troll. Not you. Had I called you a troll, you would

have no confusion about it.

[1monster]

54. Oh. I feel much better now. Thank you for the explanation.

[BainsBane]

26. What did she say?

Cause it's not like the rest of Democrats promote a national security state and foreign intervention abroad.

[msanthrope]

36. We had a discussion about hosiery. nt

[BainsBane]

41. Hosiery, and some complain about burqas

The Western woman's torture apparel.



Watch video here

https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox



Yes, everyone. I'm joking. Save your outrage.

[alphafemale]

40. lol... as if anyone could tell Hill shit.

[Yavin4]

57. How is she doing by the way?

She had a bit of health scare there.

[calimary]

3. OF COURSE!!!!! Goes without saying, Ken!

I'm a supporter for sure, but I'm also very quick to admit she is an imperfect candidate. The main thing that kept me from voting for her and not then-Senator Obama was her support of the Iraq War. Anyone with that powerful an intellect and brains that brilliant should have been able to see through bush/cheney, and she just finally went along. That one's hard to forget. But I'm damned if I'm gonna support anybody else, especially those who don't have as strong a shot at it. I WANT TO KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE!!! At least until we can safely replace Ruth Bader Ginsburgh AND hopefully one of the CON assholes on there.

MY idea of a perfect candidate, if you really wanna know, is Alan Grayson, because he REALLY speaks for me! He'd kick 'em in the teeth and demand that they say "thank you sir, may I have another"! And he doesn't have a prayer.

[William769]

4. I like her just the way she is.

I won't refute everything you wrote but I would like to know what the hell your talking about "global social justice". Apparently you missed most of her tenure as Secretary of State.

[MADem]

18. +1,000 nt

[rhett o rick]

55. Some how I knew you would like her just the way she is. Makes life sooo much easier doesnt it?

But you will be happy because I think the ruling Elite like her too. She doesnt give a crap about the 99%. But that's ok for those that worship at the alter of the 1%.

Me, I will hold out for someone progressive that at least pretends to be on the side of the 1%.

[William769]

59. Yes I'm a happy camper.

[rhett o rick]

60. The security of the 1% is hard to resist isnt it? nm

[William769]

61. I'm in a class all by myself.

[mysuzuki2]

5. I too would prefer a more progressive candidate.

OTOH, I'm not sure who else has the stature to win the nomination or the election. I will support her if nominated because unlike any likely repub candidate she is capable, intelligent and sane.

[Life Long Dem]

6. I don't see anything wrong with this

And if she's elected work with her. If you don't want to go to war, then work with her not to go to war.

[L0oniX]

8. F**k that ...we want Chelsea.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. Ya saw this,...right?

[L0oniX]

50. barf pfffft

[Spitfire of ATJ]

58. As a Kucinich supporter,...I feel for ya...

[Comrade_McKenzie]

9. There's nothing wrong with free trade. It keeps prices on numerous things low...

Economic nationalism is pushed by those who wish to protect themselves, rather than society as a whole.

[Ken Burch]

13. Free trade pushes wages down and forces cuts in the social wage

Nothing it could possibly achieve makes up for the misery it causes.

We need a trade policy that values human dignity as much as "low prices".

[cantbeserious]

20. Free Trade Is Used By Capitalists To Undermine Domestic Labor - Bad For America - Bad For Democrats

A Cure For Capitalism - Richard Wolff

[LittleBlue]

10. If she loses the primary again

I hope this will not be like the 2008 purge on DU. I was supporting Obama in the primary against Hillary, and that was no fun at all.

This time around, if she does run, let's just keep it civil and support our candidates.

[JaneyVee]

11. Wasn't her last job for diplomacy, not war?

[Buzz Clik]

12. You're confusing the issue ...

... with facts.

[JDPriestly]

14. Hillary would make an ambassadress to India.

She represents the interests of India extremely well in my opinion.

From what I can tell, she is a big fan of H1-B visas and foreign trade agreements as well as war.

She loses me right there.

She was on Walmart's board of directors. It's not that she was representing them in a particular lawsuit but rather she was on their board.

She plays the game. That's why she will have an easy time getting campaign funds from the 1%.

If you want more government for the 1%, by the 1% and of the 1%, continue to back Hillary.

She is a nice person. She's got a nice smile.

She does not have a good voice by the way. It is a bit grating in my view.

[Little Star]

17. I love her voice & her laugh.

[cantbeserious]

22. Agreed - She Is A Defender Of The Current System And Paradigm - Support The 1% - Squeeze The 99%

eom

[TheDebbieDee]

31. Every first lady of the State of Arkansas serves on the Walmart Board of Directors........

It's more ceremonial than anything.

[formercia]

19. Every time I think of Hillary

I remember Honduras.

She could have put a stop to it.

[Beacool]

43. Gee, and I thought that Obama was still president.

[cantbeserious]

21. The Past Three Election Cycles Suggest That Clinton Supporters Can Be Pretty Inflexible

eom

[UnrepentantLiberal]

24. While you're at it could you ask her not to run for president again?

[Deep13]

25. "At this point, you back her, no matter what."

No.

[stuffmatters]

27. She voted for Iraq Invasion, supports Keystone and TPP as Sec'y of State

Yes, I'd vote for her over any Republican on the horizon but...

Hilary was not distinguished as a Senator in any way. I remember my outrage at her for voting for the Iraq War, knowing that she certainly had the insider intelligence and knowledge, after being lst Lady for 8 years, to know that it was based on lies and a well known eight year old Neocon agenda/obsession. Her financial ties also always to Wall Street...look at the hideous bankruptcy bill she also voted for. I frankly don't remember her doing anything important as a senator from NY.

All the Clinton Admin alums/arroganti (Emmanuel, Rubin, Summers etc) have been disastrous mentors to Obama...does our Country need another administration of corporatist puppets?

As Sec'y of State, I can't ignore her support of Keystone Pipeline ("game over to the environment" ) She's never come out against it and probably had much to do with assigning the crooked State Dept Study to Big Oil shills/propagandists.

Her husband signed the catastrophic repeal of Glass Steagall and passage of NAFTA. As Sec'y of State she clearly has participated in furthering the passage of the Trans Pacific Partnership ("NAFTA on Steroids" and subjegation/ surrender of our national and state environmental and legislative rights to global corporations... eg.Bahrain,really.)

She features herself as a champion of women's rights...when in her Women's speech this week did she object to Obama's chained COLA which punishes aging working class women most?

Barbara Boxer voted against the invasion of Iraq and against the repeal of Glass Steagall. So did Barbara Mikulski. Even among older women senators, there are choices with more insightful, responsible voting records who have way more of my trust.

[Spartacus Maximus XL]

38. Well said, Stuffy. Well said, indeed.

[LiberalEsto]

28. And her support for increasing H1B visas nt

[graham4anything]

29. I want Hillary to continue the forward movement of President Obama's two terms

and do not want radical change away from that.

and no, I don't wish to close the borders, one can't.

I not only want 100% amnesty/citizenship but we need the world, more than they need us.
To say one wants to seal the borders to trade, why that is just so opposite of 2013.

there are NO borders we are not in 1981-1992.

and I don't much like your assumptions above.

[Ken Burch]

66. I wasn't talking about closing the borders.

A trade policy with a human face doesn't equate to isolationism.

We can have trade-from-below, trade that treats humanm beings with dignity and respect and the planet with care.

[MadHound]

30. Why, so she can go back to where she always has been once she's won the WH?

Thanks, but I'd rather the people have something close to an honest assessment of all our candidates.

[TheDebbieDee]

32. Who else can the Dems run against and beat Ted Cruz or Rand Paul?

Rubio is the only repuke that talks as though he is sane.......but he's still a republican.

[Ken Burch]

64. We can elect anyone with confidence in her message and herself.

It isn't a center-right country anymore...and we don't have to appease the moderate wing of ugliness to win anymore.

[Spartacus Maximus XL]

33. She's too conservative for my blood.

Plus, has she ever apologized for being W's dupe with her cowardly Iraq War vote? She's got blood on her hands for that. Myself, I'll vote for someone else in the primary, just like I did the last time she ran.

[michigandem58]

34. Don't you worry, progressives will fall in line

The middle is where elections are won or lost.

[Le Taz Hot]

46. ROFLMAO!!!

Uh, no.

[Renew Deal]

37. If you're so concerned about her positions, maybe you should work to change her views

"no matter what."

[amuse bouche]

39. No I won't

I don't respond well to condescending thugs

Call her yourself

[Beacool]

42. Why don't you Obama supporters try the same with him?

After all, he still has more than three years in office.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle............

[PragmaticLiberal]

47. The OP is far from an Obama supporter.

[Beacool]

49. OK, then I stand corrected.

[kiva]

48. ^^^this^^^

[Ken Burch]

69. A lot of them are trying to get him to do that.

This isn't an anti-HRC thread...it's a "press HRC to be the person she CAN be" thread. It's positive, not bashing. Please just trust that.

[Beacool]

72. If the intent was not to bash Hillary and her supporters, then we're cool.

[Ken Burch]

73. It truly wasn't. n/t.

[tavalon]

44. Clinton is running in 2014? For what?

In other words, it isn't nearly time to be looking at Presidential candidates. We have midterms. More important by far.

[hrmjustin]

45. I trust Hillary to do the right thing.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

51. Axtually I like her hair shorter

Just kidding.

We need a woman president!

[Skip Intro]

56. Links please. nt

[dkf]

62. You really think being anti-corporate makes a person more likely to win the Presidency?

I don't think that wins the nomination much less the Presidency.

I also think your suggestions make her less electable.

[Ken Burch]

63. I think it can. Being pro-corporate means giving up on social justice and a decent world.

We can't reduce ourselves to hoping that the rich play nice...and that's what being "pro-business" means. it means giving up fighting for the workers and the poor, and giving up believing that life can ever be anything other than what it is now.

Being "pro-business" means being heartless.

And the American people are now getting it that corporate power is their enemy.

If we must have private businesses on the old model, it's enough that they be small.

[Taverner]

65. Amen. Now is not the time to keep up the empire.

Kill the empire or kill the country

[Common Sense Party]

67. Globalism is a reality in the 21st century, whether we like it or not.

By "breaking with globalism," do you mean becoming more isolationist, putting up restrictive tariffs, putting up barriers to immigration, subsidizing domestic corporations, etc.?

Or what do you mean by "breaking with globalization"?

[Ken Burch]

68. Creating a trade policy that ends the "race to the bottom"

one that regards decent wages, decent working conditions, human dignity and a sustainable environment as being just as important as short-term profit for the few.

If you back the current form of "free trade" you are objectively stating(whatever you may think you are stating)that the above means nothing to you...that short-term rate of return is the only thing that matters.

[Common Sense Party]

70. Wages, working conditions and environment...not just in the developed world, but everywhere?

That is a tall order.

[Ken Burch]

71. Ultimately, wages and condititions everywhere have to be addressed.

If you only deal with them in the developed world, you set that world AGAINST the developing world...and vice versa.

At some point, some sort of economic and social universalism needs to be agreed to.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

74. Hillary in 2016!

... not quite as evil as the other candidate.

[joeybee12]

75. I will...as soon as I get Obama to change those same aspcets he loves...nt

[Ken Burch]

76. Wasn't letting Obama off the hook...never have.

ok?