RFK Assassination Legal Case Update

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Another “Patsy”?

Sirhan, the man almost everyone believes killed Robert F. Kennedy (and did so alone), is seeking a new trial. Sirhan’s current attorney, William Pepper, who also served as James Earl Ray’s final lawyer and believed that Ray had been set up, is seeking to convince the US District Court for the Central District of California not to accept a report from a magistrate judge, Andrew J. Wistrich, advising that the new trial request be dismissed. It’s up to the district court to decide whether to proceed.

Although Sirhan pled guilty at his original trial in 1969, Pepper contends that Sirhan was betrayed by a lead member of his original legal team, Grant Cooper, who Pepper notes was himself under federal indictment at the time for illegally possessing grand jury proceedings in another famous case, involving card cheating at the Beverly Hills Friar’s Club. Cooper, who faced possible jail time for that, ended up being let off with a $1000 fine. Intriguingly, his client in the Friar’s affair, John Roselli, was an organized crime figure with CIA ties often named as a possible conspirator in the death of President John F. Kennedy.

The defense had Sirhan admit guilt and sought to portray him as both mentally deficient and acting on impulse. Pepper notes that the attorney’s personal vulnerability was known to the judge and prosecution, and that they nevertheless said nothing while Sirhan’s real interests were not represented, and exculpatory evidence was suppressed. Although Sirhan confessed to shooting at Robert Kennedy, he later said that he could remember nothing at all of that tragic day.

Now, Pepper is requesting a chance to come to court and offer two kinds of evidence – facts known at the time but not presented to Sirhan’s jury, and facts that have come to light since the trial. The fundamental claim is that Sirhan was genuinely unaware of his actions on June 5, 1968 —when he did, in fact, bring a gun to the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles and shortly after midnight fire at Kennedy from the front. Pepper wants to introduce expert testimony that Sirhan was a guinea pig in a super-secret program to hypnotize people and turn them into unwitting killers. As crazy as this may sound at first blush, the United States government is on record as admitting to research in broad areas of mind control, particularly with regard to the CIA’s MKULTRA program, which among other things wanted to determine whether people could be made into killing machines.

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[Cooley Hurd]

1. How did Bobby sustain a gunshot wound behind the ear...

...when Sirhan was in front of him?

[formercia]

2. A gunshot wound of a different caliber

than the weapon that Sirhan was using.

[Cooley Hurd]

3. Weird how facts can be lost to history by those determined to rewrite it...

[Major Nikon]

6. Perhaps he didn't remain still as he was being shot 3 times

Just a guess.

[tarheelsunc]

7. That makes far too much sense to be believable. eom

[Cooley Hurd]

13. Perhaps he spun around. Perhaps all the witnesses at the scene who heard a shot from behind...

...were mentally ill?

[Major Nikon]

15. Perhaps the 2nd shooter was completely invisible

Which seems the most plausible since the gun was only 1" from RFK's head.

Kennedy had been shot three times. One bullet, fired at a range of about 1 inch (2.54 cm), entered behind his right ear, dispersing fragments throughout his brain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFK_Assassination#Assassination

[tout_le_monde]

12. The Boomerang Bullet Theory

Evidence That Sirhan DIDN'T Shoot RFK with real bullets (his gun likely fired blanks):

• Powder burns on Kennedy’s clothing and skin revealed that all three of his wounds were from a gun fired from 0 to 1-1/2 inches away. Sirhan’s gun could not possibly have done this; according to the witnesses Sirhan’s gun never got closer than three feet away.

• LA Coroner Thomas Noguchi, determined that the fatal shot came from about an inch away, right under Kennedy’s ear. Thus the shot came from behind Kennedy, while Sirhan was several feet in front of him. In his autobiography Noguchi stated, “”Until more is precisely known…the existence of a second gunman remains a possibility. Thus, I have never said that Sirhan Sirhan killed Robert Kennedy.”

• According to the BBC, “even under hypnosis, [Sirhan] has never been able to remember the shooting and defence psychiatrists concluded he was in a trance at the time…Dr Herbert Spiegel, a world authority on hypnosis at Columbia University, believes Sirhan may have been hypnotically programmed to act as a decoy for the real assassin.”

• Sirhan Sirhan’s revolver held a maximum of eight bullets. Kennedy was shot four times: one shot entered the head behind the right ear, a second one near the right armpit, a third just below the second and a fourth that went through Kennedy’s jacket but did not hit his body. Five other people were shot in addition to Kennedy, one of whom was shot twice. Barring any more “magic bullets,” that is a total of 10 bullets. Additionally, witnesses and photographs reveal that several ceiling tiles were pierced by bullets, making it nearly impossible that Sirhan was the only gunman.

• Thane Cesar was a security guard who was pressed up against Kennedy’s back right side and was holding Kennedy’s right arm in his left hand as Sirhan jumped out and fired his first two shots. Witnesses reported seeing Cesar fire back at Sirhan, one even specifying that Cesar “accidentally” shot Kennedy. ”

Reference Link:
http://www.truthmove.org/content/rfk

Whatever group was behind the RFK Assassination likely STILL has some living members. Eventually, one of them will give a deathbed confession. Hopefully we'll all live to see and hear it on a venue such as Youtube.

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. You lost me at "concluded he was in a trance at the time..."

[zappaman]

23. You lost me at "his gun likely fired blanks". n/t

[rhett o rick]

4. You are going to get the anti-conspiracy theory idiots in an uproar.

They will want to PPR you for daring to shake their realities. Denial is more that a big river in Egypt.

[snooper2]

10. not really, anti idiocy idiots just like to poke fun at trolls LOL

talking about a conspiracy by the way---

Did you know the car in the movie "The Car" was custom built and not allowed to be seen by crews until the first day of filming?

[MADem]

5. Even though I am guessing that there's much more to learn about that day, I am thinking that

they won't grant him a new trial. Facts unknown/facts that have come to light vs. a signed confession? I just don't know if those justifications will float.

[Major Nikon]

9. William Pepper is a conspiracy hack

He has a fart-in-a-whirlwind's chance of getting a new trial.

[still_one]

31. Absolutely correct. To also say James earl ray was setup only adds more fuel to what a hack he is.

The book hellhound on on his trail by Hampton sides, details the the terrible stalking and assassination by ray of Dr. King

Unfortunately I saw that assassination on tv, and I guess all the police, rose Greer and all the other folks there have been lying after all those years

[Archae]

8. Yeah right, Sirhan Sirhan was "hypnotized"

And anyone who believes this absolute bullshit, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

[zeemike]

11. Really?...are you sure of that?

Here is proof that it can be done.

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[Archae]

16. That isn't "proof" at all.

It's a stage hypnotist putting on an act.

That's all.

You want some actual information about hypnotism, try here:

http://www.skepdic.com/hypnosis.html

[SamReynolds]

20. Before drawing conclusions about hypnosis, you have to know what hypnosis is.

A willing subject can indeed enter into an altered state of mind. Meditation for that purpose has been around a long time for good reason. The fact is that a hypnotist is not even needed for that. One can do it by one's self. The problem with that is the suggestions you want to implant in yourself (quit smoking/drinking, eat better, focus more, etc.) are easier to establish by guidance as the formulation of those suggestions requires the use of some small attention which can divert one from the 'suggestive state'.

Now, with something like MKultra (which I found rather shocking but not surprising) a subject need not be willing to be put in a suggestive state. They just drug the hell out of them. Then, I honestly don't know what of all their techniques work.

But here's the real question: If you can't imagine what someone could possibly do to you to make you do something against your will, what kind of an imagination do you have?

[OldDem2012]

17. Doesn't take long for the anti-conspiracists to show up. Just like clockwork. Sad, really. nt.

[Archae]

18. Yeah, ain't it a bitch that we have something besides tinfoil-hat theories and speculation...

[OldDem2012]

19. Ain't it a bitch that some people actually believe the US is the only country where....

...conspiracies to commit assassinations and other murders don't exist.

It's very sad how many closed minds exist on DU. Very sad indeed.

[SamReynolds]

21. No, ask any of the nay-sayers...

If a political assassination in a nation where the people were told it was a 'freak incident' ever occurred. They will tell you 'no'.

I'm sure.

[OldDem2012]

22. It's interesting to me that some of the same people who believe the US Government is lying about....

....nearly everything are willing to accept the Warren Commission theory hook, line, and sinker, and belittle others for not accepting it. I've never understood that.

[zappaman]

24. Because sometimes the Government gets it right?

And sometimes it doesn't?

Is that really so hard for you to grasp?

[SamReynolds]

27. The difference is that

you place your faith in the government's version of events when it conveniently helps to avoid the terrifying prospect of very evil people with lots of power in our government getting away with savagely subverting the nation. It's SO much easier to buy the version where it was just 'some lone nut'. Some conspiracy theories are ridiculous and easily debunked, like the Sandy Hook 'Fake' video, some are not. The assassinations of the Kennedys falls into that category.

[zappaman]

28. I don't find that prospect "terrifying" so you are wrong.

It's actually easier to buy the conspiracy since there are 100s of books that say it was.
A great cottage industry!

And yes, the Kennedy CTs have been debunked over and over for almost 50 years.

[SamReynolds]

30. Your derision betrays you.

In one sentence you both say 'it would be easier to buy the conspiracy' and then turn around and outright call it a 'cottage industry' indicating you simply believe it a fraud. That is no indication that you would 'find it easier to believe' under any circumstances. I run into this unwitting duplicity very often with the head-in-the-sanders.

And the 'debunking' has also been debunked over and over for almost 50 years. But it's complicated to dig through, so it's just easier to buy a reasonable sounding explanation and avoid being labelled a 'conspiracy nut'.

You do realize there have been many conspiracies run by elements in our government, right?

[SamReynolds]

25. Fear.

It's the explanation for nearly everything. If indeed there was an internal conspiracy to kill the Kennedys, then that would mean we failed to bring justice to the real perps. But worse than that, it means that our government has more corrupt and vicious elements, enemies of the people in fact, who can get away with anything they want to. That's a pretty scary thought, so many people just accept the official story... thus enabling the next coup.

[zappaman]

26. Not really

I'd love to know that the government killed RFK or JFK.
Unfortunately, the evidence doesn't support it.

[SamReynolds]

29. When one ignores evidence,

one can hold on to their 'safe' reality.

So, what would you actually do if you saw truly compelling evidence that convinced you elements in our government killed the Kennedys? Nothing. That's what. You might try to tell a few people about what you found, but you would be called 'crazy', ridiculed, and generally ignored. You'd be labelled. So, even with compelling evidence right in front of you just the momentary abandonment of reason is all that would be required to keep from being called a 'nut job', or 'tin foil hatter'.

One question: Why are so many files regarding the JFK assassination still sealed?