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Abolish the 401(k)
The real crisis facing America's aging society is not Social Security, but private retirement plans
By Michael Lind
(Salon) Americas retirement security policies are facing a major crisis. No, not the problem that Pete Peterson, Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles and other so-called deficit hawks have become famous for exaggerating the relatively minor mismatch between promised Social Security benefits and scheduled Social Security payroll taxes in the 2030s. The real crisis facing current and future retirees in Americas aging society is the failure of the private components of Americas mixed public-and-private retirement system.
When Social Security was created in 1935, it was not intended to be the sole source of retirement income for most Americans. It was assumed that employer-provided defined benefit pensions with guaranteed payouts would supplement Social Security checks for many workers after they retired.
Unfortunately, employers have been abandoning defined benefit pensions for decades. The number of private sector workers with defined benefit pensions has fallen from around 40 percent in 1980 to a mere 15 percent today. At the same time, among public sector workers, poor management by state governments, combined with years of economic trouble, has created a crisis for public pension systems in many states.
In order to save money and shift risks to individual workers, employers in the last generation have been switching from defined benefit plans to defined contribution plans like 401Ks. 401K retirement plans and other defined contribution plans, including individual retirement accounts (IRAs), now cover about 42 percent of the workforce as opposed to only about 17 percent in 1979. ......................(more)
The complete piece is at: http://www.salon.com/2013/04/04/abolish_the_401k/?source=newsletter
antigop
(12,778 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)choices with high loaded fees.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Nor have I found high fees to be a drag on returns. Aside from the inability or outright failure to fund a 401k, the biggest problem I see is profound ignorance about investments on the part of many plan participants. Giving such an investor more latitude to direct his investments would make the problem worse, not better.
I've been fortunate with my 401k's, plus I consider myself to be knowledgeable about investing. Unfortunately, I think I'm an exception here.
still_one
(92,190 posts)companies are now allowing self-directed 401Ks, which is the way it should be
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)I've always liked Vanguard funds because their fees tend to be low. 2% is a bit high and if it's on top of what the fund manager charges, it's an outrage.
still_one
(92,190 posts)4Q2u2
(1,406 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)Is most people do not want to save, or feel they can't because they cannot afford it.
4Q2u2
(1,406 posts)As well as the retirement life span was far different when they were concieved. 401K as we all know have left and right parameters. You start a zero and end with x. That has to last how long? The defined pension does not have a right parameter. You start at zero and collect until you die. Lifetime security with the defined pension. Seems to be a pretty easy choice.
still_one
(92,190 posts)Offer. Another one which does not seem that good is the 529 s for your child's education, those returns are not there either
Frankly I think a lot of the problems started with the programmed trading, dark pools, shorts without the underlying security, and so many other games that destroyed many small investors
As we know the way the Stock market works. There have to be losers, for there to be winners. Pretty easy to spot who won in that shell game.
529 Rate of return, saw anywhere from 3 to 7 %.
Tution rate of increase is anywhere from 4.8% above inflation to over 19%. Over 20 yr period some are almost 500% above inflation.
No way to catch up.
still_one
(92,190 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/college-textbook-prices-increase_n_2409153.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:InflationTuitionMedicalGeneral1978to2008.png
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/chart-graph/college-tuition-fees-vs-overall-inflation
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)It was all of a piece in the late 70's/early 80's - privatization, the shift from defined benefits, financialization of the economy. Of course, the genius is that they enforce buy-in to the very forces that are strangling us.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)byeya
(2,842 posts)Security the main provider of retirement income.84% of Americans believe SSA benefits are not high enough and are willing
to pay more to ensure a higher income at retirement.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)EVERYone should read this book. 401(k)s were a huge part of the Corporation's severance of the Social Contract. Even as we speak, more and more employers are doing away with matching.
The wealthy really and truly DO NOT CARE about their workers. This is what pisses me off the most about the "useful idiots" - You rely on the wealthy to take care of you in the vain hope you're going to BE wealthy someday, and you'll end up with an economy comprised of jobs where you'll end up paying or being a free employee FOR the Corporations.
antigop
(12,778 posts)NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)but the game is rigged in their favor right now, for sure
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)privatization, cheap labor policies, the whole 9 yards.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)401k's have been around since the late 1970's, but a lot of people didn't really start getting into them until the late 80's or early 90's. Normally, a person might start to contribute to one in their 20's and expect to start seeing money from the program 45 years later, but because of the relative newness of this, many current retirees spent less than half that time putting into the program and then were hit with the double whammy of retiring in a down economy. I think it's unfair to judge the system based on just the current snapshot and given that a large number of people joined this halfway through their working careers.
All the discussion about how SS is the problem and we need to cut (or means test) SS reminds people that this is NOT guaranteed money either. The government can simply decide that you don't need the money enough, or they're not going to pay you as much when you retire.
I don't have an issue with expanding SS, but I think they should allow the 401k to continue.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)In that sense, it's not guaranteed either.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)It's part of ones paycheck whether you see it or not. The key question is does everyone have to contribute and the details of who/what will handle the investment of funds so the are available at the appropriate time. What people will see though is if you havn't been maxing out your 401k annual contribution, then your getting a Net Pay decrease to make defined benefit work.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Or is this basically about raising social security contributions ie the payroll tax?
Why would that come at the expense of 401ks?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Defined benefits plans are too risky for the employers. They'd be insane to bring them back.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Since so many people are in it, it must be a wonderful thing. I know a liberal wouldn't be in it unless they believed in it and thought everyone should be a part of it. The bigger the better!
xchrom
(108,903 posts)The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)That might be part of the problem. We have these huge plans with an idea of permanency behind them, but reality outside of the human mind shifts here, there, and all around.
deminks
(11,014 posts)not for Wall Street to play with (and lose most of periodically), and not for the banks who pay no interest anymore. I want it under my GD mattress. At least I could keep it there. He laughed at me.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Along with our home equity when Bush, sucked the economy dry? They aren't fail safe, that's for sure.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)It was a bad idea then and it's certainly a horrible idea to continue it.
So many people I know had had to tap their 401k to pay for basic living expenses.
mainer
(12,022 posts)The downside? You have to be consistent at putting money into it.
The upside? It's a pension that you own, and you can decide how risky you want it to be.
I have mine invested in only the safest possible vehicles. Not much in the way of big gains, but at least I know it will be there when I retire.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/your-money/defined-benefit-plans-allow-fast-retirement-saving-but-with-risks.html?pagewanted=all