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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:22 PM Apr 2013

Britain urges Saudi Arabia not to paralyse convict

Agence France-Presse

April 4, 2013 08:45

Britain on Thursday urged Saudi Arabia not to carry out the "grotesque" punishment of paralysis for a man whose alleged crime took place when he was just 14 years old.

Ali al-Khawahir, 24, has reportedly been sentenced to "Qisas" (retribution) for allegedly paralysing a friend when he stabbed him in the back 10 years ago.

He could be paralysed from the waist down if he fails to pay compensation of one million riyals ($270,000), rights group Amnesty International said on Tuesday citing Saudi media reports.

Britain's Foreign Office said it was deeply concerned by the reports.

more:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130404/britain-urges-saudi-arabia-not-paralyse-convict

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Britain urges Saudi Arabia not to paralyse convict (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2013 OP
If the Christofascists have their way in the US, this sort of thing kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #1
Bullshit leftynyc Apr 2013 #3
Start here... DonViejo Apr 2013 #7
Can you name even one leftynyc Apr 2013 #8
If you want to believe in the boogeyman... DonViejo Apr 2013 #12
Please show me the... NCTraveler Apr 2013 #4
just what, prey tell, do you think the death penalty is dsc Apr 2013 #5
Something supported by many christians, agnostics, atheists, ect..... NCTraveler Apr 2013 #6
sigh. these claims are pointless and have jackshit to do with the story cali Apr 2013 #11
This is why I view my country the way I do look at the company we keep. Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #2
At least you managed to stay on point leftynyc Apr 2013 #9
I saw that Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #10
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
1. If the Christofascists have their way in the US, this sort of thing
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:30 PM
Apr 2013

will happen right here - their proclaimed aversion to "sharia law" notwithstanding.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
3. Bullshit
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:43 PM
Apr 2013

Unless you can find where any right wing asshole has called for this type of disgusting justice. You're just trying to change the subject which is par for the course when anything having to do with Islam is mentioned.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
7. Start here...
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:36 PM
Apr 2013
Dominionism is the alleged movement of politically active conservative Christians in the United States working toward either a nation governed by Christians or one governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law.

The existence of a dominionist movement is challenged, particularly by those in the Christian Right, who generally avoid the label and see the characterizations as misleadingly implying that mainstream conservative Christians subscribe to Dominion Theology, a viewpoint held by a much smaller group of Christians explicitly advocating for a theocracy.

Apart from a handful of social scientists who first coined it, the terms dominionism and dominionist (when not referring to those subscribing to Dominion Theology) are almost exclusively used by journalists and bloggers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism


Experts identify two main schools of Dominionism: Christian Reconstructionists, who believe biblical law, including stoning as punishment for adultery and other transgressions, should replace secular law; and the New Apostolic Reformation, which advocates for Christians to "reclaim the seven mountains of culture": government, religion, media, family, business, education, and arts and entertainment.

Who are "Dominionists"?

Very few Christians identify themselves as "Dominionists." But experts say the New Apostolic Reformation has gained traction among charismatic Christians and Pentecostals under the influence of C. Peter Wagner, a church-growth guru and prolific author. Prominent "apostles" in the NAR include Lou Engle, co-founder of TheCall assemblies and Mike Bickle, director of the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, Mo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/5-facts-about-dominionism_n_945601.html


What is Dominionism? Palin, the Christian Right, & Theocracy
by cberlet
Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:13:19 AM PDT

Sarah Palin is a "Dominionist" with an apocalytic End Times theological viewpoint that sees the war in Iraq as part of God's plan. More on the End Times in the next post. Let's talk about Christian Right Dominionism and tendencies toward authoritarian theocratic governance.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/


Religious Right and Dominionist Leaders Come Together (Again) for 'America for Jesus'
SUBMITTED BY Brian Tashman on Friday, 7/27/2012 1:15 pm

Back in February, we reported that pastor Anne Gimenez was in the process of recreating the 1980 Washington for Jesus rally, which she led with her late husband, Bishop John Gimenez. The new election-oriented prayer rally, called America for Jesus, is scheduled to be held in Philadelphia’s Independence Mall in September and has already received the endorsements of far-right dominionists including Cindy Jacobs, Lou Engle, Jim Garlow and Harry Jackson.

But as with Rick Perry’s The Response and Lou Engle’s The Call prayer rallies, it was only a matter of time before more mainstream Religious Right leaders linked arms with their more openly dominionists brethren.

The latest America for Jesus solicitation mentions support from not only New Apostolic Reformation leaders like Che Ahn, Rick Joyner, Chuck Pierce, Doug Stringer and Barbara Yoder, but also from David Barton of WallBuilders, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel. Even televangelists Kenneth Copeland, Gordon Robertson and John Hagee have endorsed the event.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/religious-right-dominionists-again-america-for-jesus


Google "Dominionism" and you'll find more
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. Can you name even one
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:06 PM
Apr 2013

person? On a judicial bench, in Congress, anyone with any voice or power at all? Or am I supposed to be afraid of the boogyman also? That you can compare this group of ten people with no power with the power to bring down a punishment like paralysis says way more about you than anything else. I didn't need links to know there are lunatics - they're everywhere. Apparently in saudi arabia, they're judges and lawmakers but you continue to think they're EXACTLY THE SAME.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
12. If you want to believe in the boogeyman...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:23 AM
Apr 2013

go for it by all means! Then again, you could follow links provided and/or do your own research

(Alabama Supreme Court Justice) Moore has never declared himself a Reconstructionist. But he is a frequent orator at gatherings whose organizers are part of the movement. The primary theologians, activists, and websites of Reconstruction laud him as a hero. Moore’s lawyer in the Ten Commandments fight, Herb Titus, is a Reconstructionist, as are many of his most vocal supporters, including Gary DeMar, the organizer of the Restore America rally and the head of American Vision, one of the most prolific publishers of the movement.

Reconstruction is the spark plug behind much of the battle over religion in politics today. The movement’s founder, theologian Rousas John Rushdoony, claimed 20 million followers—a number that includes many who embrace the Reconstruction tenets without having joined any organization. Card-carrying Reconstructionists are few, but their influence is magnified by their leadership in Christian right crusades, from abortion to homeschooling.

Reconstructionists also exert significant clout through front organizations and coalitions with other religious fundamentalists; Baptists, Anglicans, and others have deep theological differences with the movement, but they have made common cause with its leaders in groups such as the National Coalition for Revival. Reconstruction has slowly absorbed, congregation by congregation, the conservative Presbyterian Church in America (not to be confused with the progressive Presbyterian Church [USA]) and has heavily influenced others, notably the Southern Baptists.

George W. Bush has called Reconstruction-influenced theoretician Marvin Olasky “compassionate conservatism’s leading thinker,” and Olasky served as one of the president’s key advisers on the creation of the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. Bush also invited Reconstructionist Jack Hayford, a key figure in the Promise Keepers men’s group, to give the benediction at his first inaugural. Deposed House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, though his office won’t comment on his religious views, governs with what he calls a “biblical worldview”—one of Reconstruction’s signature phrases. And, for conspiracy buffs, two heavy contributors to the Chalcedon Foundation—Reconstruction’s main think tank—are Howard Ahmanson and Nelson Bunker Hunt, both of whose families played key roles in financing electronic voting machine manufacturer Election Systems & Software. Ahmanson is also a major sponsor of ultraconservative politicians, including California state legislator and 2003 gubernatorial candidate Tom McClintock.

Yet for all its influence, Reconstruction is almost invisible to the media and secular society. Atlanta is ground zero for most Reconstruction activity—home office to DeMar’s publishing house and home district to movement prophet Larry McDonald, who served four terms in Congress in the 1970s and 1980s—but the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has done only one major article on the movement. The entire Lexis-Nexis database includes only 43 articles from all of the U.S. media that make reference to Reconstruction, and only a handful of those explore the movement. “A hundred years ago, newspapers published the sermons preachers preached on Sunday,” notes Ed Larson, a University of Georgia historian. “Everyone knew what the Baptists believed, or the Lutherans or the Presbyterians. That’s no longer the case. And it has worked to the benefit of Reconstructionists as they doggedly pursued their goal.”

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2005/12/nation-under-god

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
4. Please show me the...
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:44 PM
Apr 2013

Please show me the mainstream "christofascist" group in this country that has an eye for an eye as a part of their platform. Are these Christians in Saudi Arabia doing this? What religion is it?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. Something supported by many christians, agnostics, atheists, ect.....
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:25 PM
Apr 2013

And not supported by me. What do you think it is? Still didn't answer the question.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. sigh. these claims are pointless and have jackshit to do with the story
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:34 PM
Apr 2013

furthermore there is little historically in this country to back such a drastic claim. Nor is it even remotely likely, barring something on the order of an asteroid hit, that the christofascists will have their way. So why the speculation?

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
2. This is why I view my country the way I do look at the company we keep.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:39 PM
Apr 2013

Where's all that talk about invading because humanitarian rights and all the crap we are fed to oppose certain countries. This is why religion should never have control over anything.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
9. At least you managed to stay on point
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:08 PM
Apr 2013

unlike so many on this thread who merely want to distract and insist WE'RE JUST AS BAD. You make an excellent point.

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
10. I saw that
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:30 PM
Apr 2013

The company we keep is quite disturbing. Especially considering the position we have taken on governments for doing alot less. But this is a country we proudly call allies. That's why I said I view my country in a sad way. I think there's a lot of right wing christian crazies in this country pulling for things but I don't think they have the traction or power to make us a theocracy

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