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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:55 AM Apr 2013

Americans support Keystone Pipeline and Fracking by a large margin.

Ugh. My bet is that most Americans have no clue as to the ramifications of either.

A recent poll conducted by the Pew Research Center shows that a majority of Americans support the Keystone XL pipeline.

According to the nonpartisan group, 66 percent of Americans favor construction of the pipeline, which would extend from the tar sands in Alberta, Canada through the Midwest, while only 23 percent oppose it.

The organization also surveyed views on other environmental topics and found that Americans were divided in their views on climate change and fracking. The survey found that 69 percent of Americans believe that there is solid evidence that the world is warming, up two percentage points since 2012. On fracking, the controversial drilling process by which a mixture of water and chemicals is used to extract oil and natural gas, 48 percent of respondents said they supported the practice, while 38 percent said they opposed it.

Pew surveyed 1,501 adults from March 13-17, just days before a pipeline ruptured in Mayflower, Ark., killing nearby ducks and flooding suburban streets with crude oil. The leak forced the evacuation of 22 homes.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/keystone-xl-pipeline-poll-2013_n_3009120.html

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Americans support Keystone Pipeline and Fracking by a large margin. (Original Post) cali Apr 2013 OP
They must have no idea that the pipeline's purpose Esse Quam Videri Apr 2013 #1
that's b/c most americans arent smarter than a 5th grader and their attention span is about that of leftyohiolib Apr 2013 #2
The pipeline support will go down now Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #3
Why are you surprised that a polling company with roots in the oil industry would publish a poll.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #4
yeah? And Lewis Lapham is from THAT Lapham family cali Apr 2013 #6
LOL. Sos. Believe whatever you want to believe, and hate whatever you want to hate. nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #9
gee thanks. glad I have your permission. cali Apr 2013 #14
Well, you apparently didn't like what I posted the first time, so.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #17
The AFL-CIO supports it. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #5
Alberta is landlocked. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #7
It will be moved by rail to the coast, then by sea (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #10
if congress can ignore 90% of americans wanting background checks they can ignore this poll too spanone Apr 2013 #8
Yup, and they ProSense Apr 2013 #13
Another victory for Repuke propaganda. This pretty much seals the deal bullwinkle428 Apr 2013 #11
We can turn this around regarding Fracking Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #12
Two thirds of Americans supported the Iraq war, too..... Bigmack Apr 2013 #15
Until it's in their back yard. Avalux Apr 2013 #16
People DO change their minds when an intelligent debate is presented to them angstlessk Apr 2013 #18

Esse Quam Videri

(685 posts)
1. They must have no idea that the pipeline's purpose
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:28 AM
Apr 2013

Is to ship tar sands from Canada down to Texas to be refined and then out of the country. The damn final product will not even remain in this country. Idiots far and wide.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
2. that's b/c most americans arent smarter than a 5th grader and their attention span is about that of
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:40 AM
Apr 2013

a 5 year old. they think it will create a job boom and bring gas down to 2 dollars a gallon.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
3. The pipeline support will go down now
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:41 AM
Apr 2013

Thanks to Alabama, but probably not enough to stop it. Encouraging fracking numbers though, 38% opposed is pretty healthy considering how new the practice is and less than 50% support.. I think we'll see those numbers reverse within a year or so. YouTube videos of brown tap water do wonders.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
4. Why are you surprised that a polling company with roots in the oil industry would publish a poll....
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:42 AM
Apr 2013

....claiming "that a majority of Americans support the Keystone XL pipeline"?

Pew Charitable Trusts, the parent of the Pew Research Center, is the sole beneficiary of seven individual trusts established between 1948 and 1979 by two sons and two daughters of Sun Oil Company founder Joseph N. Pew and his wife, Mary Anderson Pew.

If I remember correctly, Pew was also off by quite a bit in their presidential election polling, pushing the "Romney is ahead" meme right up to the end.

Just my opinion, but the Huffington Post has also become pretty suspect in their "reporting" these days. I'm surprised you even linked an article from that source.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. yeah? And Lewis Lapham is from THAT Lapham family
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:52 AM
Apr 2013

(Texaco). The NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Counsel) was founded by- wait for it- The Rockefeller family. Joe Kennedy was a Nazi sympathizer, and on and on. Your argument is laughably sucky.

And Pew was in the middle of the pack in 2012 and one of the most accurate in 2008.

And anyone who thinks this poll isn't likely accurate has little knowledge of the information level of Americans.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. gee thanks. glad I have your permission.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:26 AM
Apr 2013

and btw, that is a lame non-response. The kind you make when you don't have a real response.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
17. Well, you apparently didn't like what I posted the first time, so....
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:48 AM
Apr 2013

...I'll just post it again:

Why are you surprised that a polling company with roots in the oil industry would publish a poll claiming "that a majority of Americans support the Keystone XL pipeline"?

Pew Charitable Trusts, the parent of the Pew Research Center, is the sole beneficiary of seven individual trusts established between 1948 and 1979 by two sons and two daughters of Sun Oil Company founder Joseph N. Pew and his wife, Mary Anderson Pew.

If I remember correctly, Pew was also off by quite a bit in their presidential election polling, pushing the "Romney is ahead" meme right up to the end.

Just my opinion, but the Huffington Post has also become pretty suspect in their "reporting" these days. I'm surprised you even linked an article from that source.

I stand by my comments....is there something you don't understand about them?

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
11. Another victory for Repuke propaganda. This pretty much seals the deal
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:49 AM
Apr 2013

that the pipeline WILL be built...errr, I mean, COMPLETED.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
12. We can turn this around regarding Fracking
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:58 AM
Apr 2013

The public was once pro-nuclear also. The industry always gets the first words in these debates, because they can buy them, but opposition is spreading as organizing against fracking widens. The pipleline is a different matter. It is a fast moving freight train with less time to stop it. Of course there is now another spill for the public to take note of...

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Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
15. Two thirds of Americans supported the Iraq war, too.....
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:37 AM
Apr 2013

.... and now..? Not so much.

We certainly have a shitty track record.... supporting shit that turns out to be disasters.

In a few years, two thirds of Americans will say it wasn't worth it.

Slow learners.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
16. Until it's in their back yard.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:45 AM
Apr 2013

Just like anything else, unless people are personally affected by it, they don't feel strongly or take the time to investigate the consequences. They don't care. I think the word 'support' really means, "sure why not, now leave me alone".



angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
18. People DO change their minds when an intelligent debate is presented to them
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:50 AM
Apr 2013


Spoiler here

Before the debate 38% agreed that we should NOT frack and 38% disagreed
After the debate 53% agreed and 42% disagreed

Undecided before 24% after 5% and most changed their minds to NOT FRACK!
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