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rsmith6621

(6,942 posts)
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:08 PM Apr 2013

How Many Here On DU Are Actually Scared Of The North Korea...



....THREATS???


Do you think they are actually going to do something? Is this all talk and nothing else?

Or.

Do you think they are trying to provoke the USA to take the first shot and then China gets involved???

What are yopur thoughts.
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How Many Here On DU Are Actually Scared Of The North Korea... (Original Post) rsmith6621 Apr 2013 OP
I am. I'm afraid those threats will be used to get us into another war. Scuba Apr 2013 #1
+1000 truebluegreen Apr 2013 #2
Hmm, sorry to highly disagree nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #6
You think they don't employ psychologists to determine how they should present the next engagement? Scuba Apr 2013 #12
If war breaks out nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #13
I've met people who are certain the Korean War was fought in jungles Scootaloo Apr 2013 #26
Yes, and graphic artists as well... snooper2 Apr 2013 #21
Sorry, in this case I think the North Koreans truly are crazy... CTyankee Apr 2013 #43
But we are not talking of the DPRK nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #47
Our military intelligence has ZERO credibility after what we've gone through with Iraq. bulloney Apr 2013 #29
Do you have any background knowledge of this situation? Socal31 Apr 2013 #36
The key word is CREDIBILITY. bulloney Apr 2013 #41
Whoa there, our military intelligence wasn't the problem in Iraq. Our M.I. was fine. It was what the KittyWampus Apr 2013 #105
Yep, that's where this is heading. Cleita Apr 2013 #54
I'm more afraid of Canada than I am No. Korea and I'm not afraid of Canada at all. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #84
+1 More bullshit Treasury pilfering valerief Apr 2013 #102
Not worried at all. zappaman Apr 2013 #3
Concerned would be a better choice of words nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #4
I am not afraid of them attacking the US Drale Apr 2013 #5
on a scale of 1 to 10? 3 cali Apr 2013 #7
All should be concerned. William769 Apr 2013 #8
Absolutely correct! Not enough information is known on his true mental stability and his RKP5637 Apr 2013 #31
nor his political stability..... lastlib Apr 2013 #103
I don't think even Kim Jong Crybaby is really stupid enough to attack the U.S. Downtown Hound Apr 2013 #9
I'm not sure they do realize this. Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #17
Kim Jong Un was educated in Switzerland Downtown Hound Apr 2013 #24
And how will he deliver these weapons? By bicycle? MADem Apr 2013 #57
No need to be snarky! zappaman Apr 2013 #65
He doesn't give a damn for his citizens. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #91
Thanks for the information, it puts this into a much different perspective. freshwest Apr 2013 #100
Anyone residing on the left coast has a right to be concerned. lpbk2713 Apr 2013 #10
North Korea can barely hit North Korea with a missile. It's the South Koreans I'm worried for. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #30
Yes. This. (nt) Control-Z Apr 2013 #53
There IS this map....assuming there are any operational rockets. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #60
Theoretical ranges and what they've actually demonstrated are quite different things. Posteritatis Apr 2013 #62
+10000 Taverner Apr 2013 #106
On a scale of 1-10, it rates about 3 for me. LeftInTX Apr 2013 #11
Scared that the spoiled little pipsqueek will successfully stir up shit? Yes woodsprite Apr 2013 #14
I think they probably have very poor intelligence about the world outside of NK Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #15
The only people I am fearful for... PennsylvaniaMatt Apr 2013 #16
If he starts to lose his grip on power, he might start a war. kwassa Apr 2013 #18
You make a very good point, he well might be losing his grip on power and the military RKP5637 Apr 2013 #33
That is actually circulating on the interwebs nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #37
I am more afraid of another NRA gun nut shooting up another school. I rate Korea a 1. graham4anything Apr 2013 #19
If we thought they would strike us we would hit them first. upaloopa Apr 2013 #20
Not particularly. StrayKat Apr 2013 #22
I'm more worried about the US / South Korean response to the threats Scootaloo Apr 2013 #23
Not worried. Bellicose threats toward S Korea and the US are part of N Korea's political traditions JVS Apr 2013 #25
I'm not concerned for my personal safety... Cooley Hurd Apr 2013 #27
I grew up during the Cold War Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #28
Concerned not scared ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #32
I'm a little scared. How can you not be, when someone is this batshit? TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #34
not for us, but in the off chance he really does go off the rails i'd be afraid for SK and our dionysus Apr 2013 #35
I am nervous Marrah_G Apr 2013 #38
Put me in the concerned boat kudzu22 Apr 2013 #39
EMP is my big concern B2G Apr 2013 #40
That's right wing paranoid BS Hugabear Apr 2013 #73
It's not B2G Apr 2013 #81
NK does not have the ability to hit us with an EMP Hugabear Apr 2013 #83
I'm leaving to defend the walls of Austin tonight. bluedigger Apr 2013 #42
I salute you. Defend or die with honor. Autumn Apr 2013 #44
I expect he will be leading us from the front. bluedigger Apr 2013 #46
... Autumn Apr 2013 #51
Not worried about what the Little Dictator can do to the US in particular distantearlywarning Apr 2013 #45
Not afraid, but a bit concerned. longship Apr 2013 #48
Kim Jung Un is incredibly inexperienced davidn3600 Apr 2013 #49
Not even a little. Iggo Apr 2013 #50
The little dough boy has to prove he is a bad ass. He should realize that america isn't a country southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #52
They are trying to sit on someone in the playground and steal their lunch money. MADem Apr 2013 #55
The question is not why the USA/DU feels threatened by North Korea PufPuf23 Apr 2013 #56
Obama likes playing with his soldiers......that's what scares me. bowens43 Apr 2013 #58
Kim is simply giving lip service to the North Korea's military LanternWaste Apr 2013 #59
YES!!! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN THE NEW RED DAWN MOVIE OMG OMG OMG!!! octothorpe Apr 2013 #61
Olympus has fallen nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #69
I'm deathly afraid for the civilians who will pay in horrible ways if he polly7 Apr 2013 #63
My concern about N. Korea derives from our having learned NOTHING from Viet Nam. (nt) Paladin Apr 2013 #64
No comparison. jazzimov Apr 2013 #75
You really think so? Paladin Apr 2013 #95
After Iraq I don't believe anything they (news sources) have to say about it. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #66
all depends on just how crazy is he dembotoz Apr 2013 #67
No, not at all. nt Raine Apr 2013 #68
I do not at this time no. Rex Apr 2013 #70
We have troops over there, tensions are high. Yeah I worry about them Autumn Apr 2013 #71
I was an 18 year old marine during the Cuban missile crisis. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #72
There is a term that (luckily) I haven't heard in a long time: jazzimov Apr 2013 #74
Actually, I used it in a post below. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #88
Its the ravings of a madman. BootinUp Apr 2013 #76
I worry about the people of North Korea... savebigbird Apr 2013 #77
Nope. progressoid Apr 2013 #78
I am not in the least afraid of North Korea. However, avebury Apr 2013 #79
I'm afraid they'll drape the Golden Gate Bridge with their crappy flags and eat all the BigMacs leveymg Apr 2013 #80
I don't live my life in fear. Apophis Apr 2013 #82
My small fear is that they've realized Nevernose Apr 2013 #85
Given that we're talking one small country Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #86
Other than the South, the country with the most to lose in this game is China. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #87
Not. sakabatou Apr 2013 #89
america's undergroundpanther Apr 2013 #90
I'm concerned. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #92
none as far as Fear for my life goes JI7 Apr 2013 #93
Bit unfortunate but not preturbed. dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #94
About as scared as I am about an ant in my kitchen malaise Apr 2013 #96
I think the main concern is what may be happening inside the NK leadership... JHB Apr 2013 #97
Not scared. Just watchful. MineralMan Apr 2013 #98
I'm concerned. I wouldn't use the word scared. Anytime someone threatens with nukes any sane person stevenleser Apr 2013 #99
No. bravenak Apr 2013 #101
No. GitRDun Apr 2013 #104
Not scared. KJU is throwing a temper-tantrum to increase international aid payments. FSogol Apr 2013 #107
not scared but very concerned nt maryellen99 Apr 2013 #108
I'm far more scared of bird flu mainer Apr 2013 #109
Hackers take control of North Korea's official Twitter and Flickr a/cs to brand Kim Jong Un a pig dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #110
Not scared, but concerned. There's something going on there. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #111
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. I am. I'm afraid those threats will be used to get us into another war.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:09 PM
Apr 2013

Kim Jong Un is the MIC's wet dream.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
12. You think they don't employ psychologists to determine how they should present the next engagement?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:17 PM
Apr 2013
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. If war breaks out
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:18 PM
Apr 2013

First question is where is NK?

We are ignoring this...foreign media, otoh, not so much.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
26. I've met people who are certain the Korean War was fought in jungles
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:26 PM
Apr 2013

These are people who watch M*A*S*H, too, so I wonder what the fuck their excuse is. Maybe "Over There" is always a jungle when it's not Europe?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
43. Sorry, in this case I think the North Koreans truly are crazy...
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:57 PM
Apr 2013

they've been this way for a while.

We've seen what crazy people have accomplished before...

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. But we are not talking of the DPRK
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:07 PM
Apr 2013

Read the post I answered to

Some folks are convinced we are inching for a war. A few think we'll have a false glag in the US

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
29. Our military intelligence has ZERO credibility after what we've gone through with Iraq.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:31 PM
Apr 2013

Having said that, I agree with you, Scuba, that the MIC will still use this to beat the drums to launch an attack on North Korea and mire us and our money in yet another military confrontation.

This nation's addiction to military spending is like a crack addiction.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
36. Do you have any background knowledge of this situation?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:43 PM
Apr 2013

This is not CIA propaganda. This is not a war the US wants.

I guess no matter what there will always be those thermite-ers.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
41. The key word is CREDIBILITY.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:52 PM
Apr 2013

Iraq was a lie. Vietnam was a lie. I can go on and on.

It's been lies after lies all in the name of attacking some country because they didn't walk, talk and chew gum the way our military and government leaders think they should.

I know people who lived in some of the countries that we've attacked. What they've seen and what we're told via the news media are often polar opposites.

After more than 50 years of this bullshit, there's no credibility with our military intelligence in my books.

If you repeatedly lie to me, I quit believing you. I'm funny that way.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
105. Whoa there, our military intelligence wasn't the problem in Iraq. Our M.I. was fine. It was what the
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:29 PM
Apr 2013

White House ignored and created that was the problem.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
54. Yep, that's where this is heading.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:15 PM
Apr 2013

Sorry, I was around for the first one and it was a fool's errand then. I don't see where this next go around could be better.

I'm sure China is keeping an eye on the fat little king and will rein him in when the time is right.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
3. Not worried at all.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:11 PM
Apr 2013

Same old same old.

NK is like an upset teenager who says "I'm gonna run away" every year, but doesn't cuz they are just looking for attention.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
4. Concerned would be a better choice of words
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:11 PM
Apr 2013

Given very recent, 16 hours now, escalation...that moved me to Te concerned category.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
5. I am not afraid of them attacking the US
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:12 PM
Apr 2013

I am worried their kid leader might be crazy enough to launch an attack on the South and use nuclear weapons. It war would be short and extremely bloody with the North Korean government being completely destroyed. Also if North Korea use Nuclear weapons tacitly in a war, Iran or extremists groups might see how effective they can be to cause mass destruction and it will start even more hostilities and maybe wars.

William769

(55,146 posts)
8. All should be concerned.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:15 PM
Apr 2013

That man is certifiably nuts! In a case like this, even the best analysts are no good at trying to figure him out.

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
31. Absolutely correct! Not enough information is known on his true mental stability and his
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:34 PM
Apr 2013

apparent instability ... and "if" this is a game to him or is he serious ... it is so highly filtered by NK and distant. Even with direct observation and testing evaluation takes awhile. My question is what is he trying to gain ... NK would be decimated in minutes if he made good on a nuclear attack. In the big picture it's a small weenie he's waving at the world with respect to handling an assault on NK "if" he carried out his threats.


lastlib

(23,224 posts)
103. nor his political stability.....
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:12 PM
Apr 2013

As outsiders see, the whole country loves the "Dear Leader" (or "Glorious Successor" or whatever), but we DON'T see what the generals or top party people really think or do. There may be a vicious power struggle going on within the hierarchy, up to, and including, plots to bring down Kim. All the belligerent rhetoric may be a reflection (or a mask) of that struggle. **WE.DON'T.KNOW.**

Would we use nuclear weapons against NK if they used them first? Do policymakers think that China or Russia would sit back and do nothing if we used them at their back door? I hope somebody is asking these questions, and a few dozen others.....

. . .

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
9. I don't think even Kim Jong Crybaby is really stupid enough to attack the U.S.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:15 PM
Apr 2013

Could North Korea do a lot of damage? Yes. Would it result in their total destruction? Also, yes. NK realizes this. Which is why they've been blustering like this for decades and nothing has ever come from it.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
17. I'm not sure they do realize this.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:20 PM
Apr 2013

If they had an honest clue about the world outside
of NK, I find it hard to believe they would be
so bellicose.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
24. Kim Jong Un was educated in Switzerland
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:25 PM
Apr 2013

He was known for having a love of American pop culture by the other students there. He played video games and loved NBA basketball and watched American movies.

I think even he understand that his country's six or seven nuclear weapons really don't stand much of a chance against America's 8,000. Or that his military of 800,000 troops with older Soviet technology doesn't stand much of a chance against America's 1.4 million and South Korea's 600,000, both of which are equipped with the most modern weapons in the world. .

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. And how will he deliver these weapons? By bicycle?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:20 PM
Apr 2013

Every damn rocket they fire off fizzles like a discount fireworks.

He's throwing a tantrum. He needs food for his slaves, er, citizens.

The larders are bare. People starve more in the spring than in winter; the stores put by for the winter are all eaten and the crops aren't yet in the field.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
91. He doesn't give a damn for his citizens.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 05:30 AM
Apr 2013

Just about every resource that sad sack of a country has goes toward its military.

I once heard a congressional aide who was on a fact-finding trip to North Korea say that he actually saw people eating SEEDS off the ground because they were so hungry.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
60. There IS this map....assuming there are any operational rockets.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:45 PM
Apr 2013



Plus there is this:
Hagel: US will be moving missile defense batteries to US bases in Guam
(an American territory southeast of Korea).
a signal that the Pentagon doesn't believe the threat of a possible North Korean attack is likely to fade quickly.
A senior administration official said the U.S. will deploy the system, known as a Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense battery, or THAAD, to Guam to protect against short- and medium-range missiles from North Korea.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022610486#post3

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
62. Theoretical ranges and what they've actually demonstrated are quite different things.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:02 PM
Apr 2013

Their track record for successful launches is pretty sad, never mind their "get the rocket within 500km of where it should be" record.

That said, the odds of North Korea having missile-deliverable nuclear weapons, much less the means to deliver them to the correct time zone, are astronomically slim. Entry-level nukes like they probably have are huge things.

LeftInTX

(25,291 posts)
11. On a scale of 1-10, it rates about 3 for me.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:16 PM
Apr 2013

I think Kim is doing this so we will attack him first. Then he will be able to get China on his side. NK is a very weak state and having China's support will probably increase their status.

woodsprite

(11,913 posts)
14. Scared that the spoiled little pipsqueek will successfully stir up shit? Yes
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:18 PM
Apr 2013

Scared that he's going to nuke us. No
Scared that someone in the US military will bite if the pot is stirred? A bit

PennsylvaniaMatt

(966 posts)
16. The only people I am fearful for...
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:18 PM
Apr 2013

Are the thousands of people in brutal North Korean torture camps...many who are being kept and beaten because of a suspicion that a RELATIVE said something about the current regime.

When a person says anything perceived as negative about the Kim family, THREE GENERATIONS of their family are sent to these camps.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
18. If he starts to lose his grip on power, he might start a war.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:20 PM
Apr 2013

It would be a humanitarian nightmare, if nothing else.

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
33. You make a very good point, he well might be losing his grip on power and the military
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:41 PM
Apr 2013

elite might well be lurking in the corners ready to dethrone him. ... hence his bellicose positioning. Making it possible he will start something to demonstrate his prowess on the international stage.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
20. If we thought they would strike us we would hit them first.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:21 PM
Apr 2013

We could fly a few b-2s with theater nuclear weapons and take out their whole offensive capability.

StrayKat

(570 posts)
22. Not particularly.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:22 PM
Apr 2013

An attack from either side is not the most likely outcome of all this, but it is a remote possibility. Kim Jong Un is unhinged and isolated from reality. So, I watch.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
23. I'm more worried about the US / South Korean response to the threats
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:23 PM
Apr 2013

I don't think North Korea is doing more than waving its swords around so that when they're talked down the Glorious Leader can once again claim to have "defeated the United States." If, if they actually engage in action, it will be extremely limited and while probably damaging (like the sinking of that SK ship a few years back) not exactly a "war" so much as the military equivalent of throwing rocks at someone's window.

However, some voices in the South are calling for preemptive strike... and I don't think the US would let the South Koreans hang by themselves in such an endeavor (after all, our men and women are directly in the line of return fire.) In such an event, maybe North Korea would do something crazy... and we're talking North Korea-crazy, like launching a nuke.

I think the appropriate response is to keep a close eye on the North while publicly laughing - yes, literally laughing - at their claims and threats.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
25. Not worried. Bellicose threats toward S Korea and the US are part of N Korea's political traditions
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:25 PM
Apr 2013

It's what they do, and part of how they view themselves.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
27. I'm not concerned for my personal safety...
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:27 PM
Apr 2013

But a war on the Korean peninsula would be a proxy war between the US, China and Russia. That would be a train wreck...

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
28. I grew up during the Cold War
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:30 PM
Apr 2013

We lived under the constant threat of nuclear annihilation. Anyone born in the late 80s and 90s missed this fun. Anyway, it takes more than a few mean words to rattle my cage.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
32. Concerned not scared
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:36 PM
Apr 2013

They are hungry, angry and well armed. Not a good combination. They most likely cannot strike US territory but they can seriously impact local and regional affairs.

There are those here who think our interests end at the Hudson. The rest of us know better.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
35. not for us, but in the off chance he really does go off the rails i'd be afraid for SK and our
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:42 PM
Apr 2013

people over there...

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
38. I am nervous
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:45 PM
Apr 2013

I can see this spinning out of control quickly. Who knows what China will do.

I've got skin in the game....two skins actually.

So yeah, I am nervous. If the shit hits the fan, then I will be scared.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
39. Put me in the concerned boat
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:48 PM
Apr 2013

I don't think the kid (Kim Jong Un) is in control at this point. I think the military is feeding him information to get the answers they want. I do think this could lead to them taking a first strike action against the South, Japan, or possibly Guam. I don't think they can reach the continental US with a missile, but there may still be terrible consequences from what might happen.

On the other hand, they sure seem to be doing a lot of sabre-rattling. If I were about to attack a superpower, I wouldn't be telegraphing that fact openly and loudly. Makes me think maybe they just want some concessions on sanctions. Let's hope that's all it is.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
73. That's right wing paranoid BS
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:09 PM
Apr 2013

I've seen several right wing conspiracy websites suggesting that NK could detonate an EMP from space. Haven't seen anyone else worrying about it.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
83. NK does not have the ability to hit us with an EMP
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:36 PM
Apr 2013

For crying out loud, their missiles are barely functional, and that's even without any sort of payload. The only ones I see pushing this are right wingers and doomsday nutjobs.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
42. I'm leaving to defend the walls of Austin tonight.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:55 PM
Apr 2013

I hope the NK hovercraft flotilla doesn't beat me there!

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
44. I salute you. Defend or die with honor.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:59 PM
Apr 2013



Watch out just in case Rick Perry shows up, I get the feeling he's one clueless SOB. Protect yourself.

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
45. Not worried about what the Little Dictator can do to the US in particular
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:04 PM
Apr 2013

Definitely not worried about my own personal safety since I don't live on the West Coast, nor do I believe that he can even do anything to the West Coast (Guam or Hawaii, maybe...)

But I am worried that he will do *something* crazy that will destabilize the area, cause general war to break out, cause a humanitarian crisis, cause the US to get involved and send troops to support S. Korea, make China mad, make Japan mad, etc. These kinds of things have a way of escalating sometimes. Remember, WWI started with just an assassination.

longship

(40,416 posts)
48. Not afraid, but a bit concerned.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:07 PM
Apr 2013

First, they probably do not have a nuclear weapon, and most certainly not one that's weaponized and deliverable. The latter even if they had a reliable missile, which I firmly believe that they also lack.

I do not believe anything that the DPRK says. It's all poppycock. But they could cause much of a hoopla if they try something born out of their apparent self delusions. Things could get sticky quite quickly then. So I am concerned.

I am not worried about MIC because the US has a commander in chief in whom I trust.

We've shipped some naval assets over there, three destroyers. I trust that the CIC has intelligence so that he can take appropriate action if that becomes necessary. My feeling is that he already knows this is just bloviation, but he covers all options anyway.

But I am confident that they have no deliverable nukes, or even a functional one. None of their three tests showed a obviously successful detonation. And that's not something that can be hidden. Every physics department with a seismograph would know it within the hour. The world would know. I've heard no confirmation.

Relax, people.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
49. Kim Jung Un is incredibly inexperienced
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:09 PM
Apr 2013

And he's in the middle of a very dangerous game.

This makes it a concern.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
52. The little dough boy has to prove he is a bad ass. He should realize that america isn't a country
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:13 PM
Apr 2013

to mess with. Hopefully and thankfully President Obama will weigh his options. I sure don't want him going to another war but lets face it if NK attacks SK then the US has no option because we are their allies.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. They are trying to sit on someone in the playground and steal their lunch money.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:16 PM
Apr 2013

They need "stuff." They're throwing a tantrum to try and get it.

China is the designated babysitter of North Korea.

I'll wager that China has more substantive talks with the US about their problem child than they'd ever admit to Krazy Kim and his pals.

PufPuf23

(8,771 posts)
56. The question is not why the USA/DU feels threatened by North Korea
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:18 PM
Apr 2013

but whether there is gravitas to the situation as "we" are informed by media, hearsay, and direct experience.

Active war would be ugly in Korea.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
59. Kim is simply giving lip service to the North Korea's military
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:34 PM
Apr 2013

Kim is simply giving lip service to the North Korea's military to better ensure his continued position of power in the government (and to make sure he gets a returning role in The Hangover III).

There is absolutely no cost-benefit PRK receives from crossing the DMZ, and unlike the fifties, China now has a good reason to ensure the status quo in the Pacific Rim nations.

Yes they have a large army, but even the largest army cannot do anything other than police their own border without an air force to prevent the opposition from air power projection... and the PRK's air force is, at best, ineffective.

From Jane's to The Journal of Defense Modeling and Simulation, the consensus is that there is no scenario to be played out that would allow the PRK even a semblance of a tactical victory.

octothorpe

(962 posts)
61. YES!!! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN THE NEW RED DAWN MOVIE OMG OMG OMG!!!
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:46 PM
Apr 2013

But no, I'm not really worried about it too much. I'm for sure not concerned about my personal safety. There is concern for the people in region if this spins out of control somehow.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
63. I'm deathly afraid for the civilians who will pay in horrible ways if he
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:14 PM
Apr 2013

does something really stupid.

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
75. No comparison.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:15 PM
Apr 2013

And I disagree - I think we learned LOTS from Vietnam. I say this as someone who missed the lottery by one year.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
95. You really think so?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:42 AM
Apr 2013

I had this naive notion that our experience in Viet Nam taught us a lasting lesson about waging pointless, expensive, socially divisive wars on the other side of the world. Dick Cheney, a compliant media, and a stupid, vengeful public showed just how naive I really was. And here we are, looking at North Korea, and joking about how negligible a threat they are. It all sounds very familiar.

dembotoz

(16,802 posts)
67. all depends on just how crazy is he
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:53 PM
Apr 2013

we have seen suicide bombers and attacks

crazy people can do crazy things.

scared??? not really
aware???? yes perhaps

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
70. I do not at this time no.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:05 PM
Apr 2013

IF the generals perform a coup or his step brother does something drastic, then I might be concerned. In photos his generals look like they are starving. That cannot be a good sign imo.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
71. We have troops over there, tensions are high. Yeah I worry about them
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:06 PM
Apr 2013

the NK leader is, shall we say, a little touched.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
72. I was an 18 year old marine during the Cuban missile crisis.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:09 PM
Apr 2013

Our squadron was rotating to Japan in November, 1962. Our planes had been junked and sent to Arizona to be stripped of anything useful and then left to rot. The other squadrons were deployed from our base, MCAS El Toro because it could be a target. So, we were locked in our barracks and marched to and from chow to make sure none of got the idea that being trapped on ground zero wasn't such a good idea and took off.

Like most of the others, I was too young and dumb to be scared.

Now, I'm too old and cynical to be scared at the antics of the big shots acting like adolescents in the boy's room playing tough guys.

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
74. There is a term that (luckily) I haven't heard in a long time:
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:12 PM
Apr 2013

"sabre-rattling".

Basically, it means a country threatening war in order to get "something", even if it just means saving face in their own country - even though they never intend to follow through because they know they would lose.

The wild card here is that Kim Jong Un is a "kid" which tends to make him reckless. NK has done this same thing before, but this kid may be stupid enough to follow up.

But I doubt it.

BootinUp

(47,143 posts)
76. Its the ravings of a madman.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:19 PM
Apr 2013

nothing much more imho. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take appropriate measures based on secret intelligence or lack of it.

progressoid

(49,988 posts)
78. Nope.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:26 PM
Apr 2013

The US doesn't want it. The Chinese don't want it. SK doesn't want it. And Kim is just bloviating.

Global warming. Low wages. The environment. Corporate run government etc. These things concern me more.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
79. I am not in the least afraid of North Korea. However,
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:29 PM
Apr 2013

I would not be surprised if the Military-Industrial Complex are working on starting the next military conflict. We certainly don't want to see their profits drop.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
85. My small fear is that they've realized
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:40 AM
Apr 2013

My small fear is that they've realized that they've painted themselves into a corner. That their economy has finally completely collapsed, that there's not much room on their side for negotiation because they have nothing left to offer, that their own news agency has reported cannibalism. Plus it might have finally sunk in that South Korea just might not come around to their way of thinking.

Combine that with a possible perception, right or wrong, of American weakness: the lowest number of GIs stationed in Korea since the war ended, plus a decade of recent war might make them think that our military is exhausted (I know/hope our national spirit for new wars is).

Finally, combine that with a young god-king who grew up watching his lunatic daddy's Hollywood movie collection, with a giant army and hardly anybody left who has actually seen the horrors of war in person. People like that, in my experience, often can't wait to try their hands at war, especially generals: what good are all the toys if you don't use them?

In short, they may genuinely believe that war on some scale is their best option.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
86. Given that we're talking one small country
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:03 AM
Apr 2013

with limited nuclear capabilities and an out-of-control military, I think it could escalate VERY quickly into something that they never intended. But wars, hot or cold, have a tendency to do that. Their sabre-rattling against South Korea leaves us NO choice but to beef up our presence in the region. I think China is probably having "Come to Jesus" meetings with them as we speak. I think Russia's watching nervously from the sidelines hoping China and the U.S. will be able to back this thing off.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
87. Other than the South, the country with the most to lose in this game is China.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:18 AM
Apr 2013

And they are not going to let that pudgy goofball derail their export gravy train, or their own economy will collapse.

North Korea is following the same script they always use, threaten, bluster, then beg for food.

They have little or nothing of value to actually bargain with, except a starving population.

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
90. america's
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:34 AM
Apr 2013

greedy corporations and arrogant leaders are bullies to most countries,I wish the american people would stop going along with the bullying corrupt and evil leaders and corporations,and let the CEO and politician face the consequences of their actions and decisions,personally.In other words the world hates us,and I hope these other countries are more with it than many americans are,and can separate the citizen from the monsters at the reigns of power,crime and profit in this country.

Yes in so many ways citizens are little Eichmann's,but at some point you have to get over it and stop going along, it has gotten so bad,so hard to organize others, in this fake atomized programmed engineered 'reality', that overlays an overwhelming tragic reality that is painful to look at we all co-created, so many have become stressed,mentally ill,sick, unable to live,unable to fight or don't know who the real enemies to their happiness are anymore ,overwhelmed,too obedient to authority,anxious,traumatized,too scared, unable to deal with the actual sad reality of what our lives have become because of the 1% that desire we live as we do.

Why so much misery,desolation,desperation,social awkwardness,isolation,abuse,escapism,addiction,silence and anxiety? Why do so many people in this country kill others or commit suicide? It's not because guns are all over the place,really.What is happening to the human heart,the soul the mind and body,the society we live within. WHY?

Maybe it's because the profit mongers secret keepers manipulators,social engineers,and all the participants ho make life so unreasonable who fail to ask what purpose their job serves,who benefits,who wants this study/program/tool/weapon and what for...?? Why this war, that war,why this economy type.(there are many other models for an economy without needing profit or accumulations of symbol-paper or credits to determine who gets what)..why do we tolerate this sadistic authoritarian modified token based economic society that has human beings living like an ant colony?T

Why tolerate the pollution making,the machines the 'ownership',the GMO's,the abuse,who does it benefit? Who does it hurt? and most of all why do we go along with this stupid painful deceptive travesty? Why do we not care enough for one another,why do we ignore and keep things compartmentalized,how long are we gonna play their games,by their rules,with our country, our lives our well being and the future,the animals and planet?

Some care a lot,some will never care, but somehow,love and trustworthiness is in such short supply.Why?What or whom made it like this? why do we tolrate intolerable people,intolerable lies ,intolerable machines,intolerable companies and social structures? And why do we keep going along with our own ruin and the planet's ruin.Is this short sighted imaginary zero-sum game(economies) and status/ pecking order bullshit so damn important? Really?

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
92. I'm concerned.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 05:34 AM
Apr 2013

We don't really know who we're dealing with. Kim is obviously insane, or extremely immature, or both...a walking, talking loose cannon.

Do we take what he's saying as a lot of hot air...or not?

I agree with those who say China will be a major player, however it turns out. But will Dear Leader even listen to THEM?

Interesting times...

JHB

(37,159 posts)
97. I think the main concern is what may be happening inside the NK leadership...
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:07 AM
Apr 2013

Who's really in charge?
Who's jockeying for position?
Who's waiting in the wings behind the old generals?
What sort of infighting is there, and is it a shoving match or a knife fight?
Is there anyone who will turn a shoving match into a knife fight to advance personal ambition?

Short of genuine derangement, the biggest danger is that power plays within the NK leadership get so focused on each other that someone does something that -- deliberately or accidentally -- triggers actual shooting.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
99. I'm concerned. I wouldn't use the word scared. Anytime someone threatens with nukes any sane person
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:34 AM
Apr 2013

should be concerned. It's unlikely they could deliver any nukes they might have created, but that doesn't make the possibility zero.

There is something about these latest threats that strikes me as different from previous NK temper tantrums that were actually bargaining moves for more food and other stuff.

I hope this turns out to be nothing.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
101. No.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:42 PM
Apr 2013

I think that the Dear Leader wants stuff. Like supplies and money. He also seems to be in need of a little attention from his mental healthcare professional. He is a person who has an expensive education and knows that it will be a death sentence for him if he attacks America.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
104. No.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:24 PM
Apr 2013

If one of these world powers even snifs he is going to do something they will whack him. This is a country that adds no economic or strategic value to anyone. No one s going to let a 26 year old whack job start WWIII, IMO.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
107. Not scared. KJU is throwing a temper-tantrum to increase international aid payments.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:34 PM
Apr 2013

Similar to Rand Paul's filibuster to bring in donations.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
109. I'm far more scared of bird flu
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:41 PM
Apr 2013

which, once it goes human-to-human, could wipe out a large percentage of the world's population. And is a far more likely scenario. And may be incubating even now in Asia.

While we blather on and on about Kim Jong Un, viruses are now swapping genes in the bloodstreams of pigeons and chickens in Eastern China.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
111. Not scared, but concerned. There's something going on there.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:51 PM
Apr 2013

I don't know what. I don't think anyone knows. But it's been in the making for well over a decade.

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