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spartan61

(2,091 posts)
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:28 PM Apr 2013

I wrote on DU last week that my husband

was in Hospice. He passed away three days ago. Here is a letter my son wrote but is still trying to figure out where to send it for the greatest impact.. He doesn't want to name names or specific doctors.
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My father died yesterday. Although he had cancer, I believe he did not ultimately die from it. He died from poor quality, mismanaged healthcare in Central Florida and from his physician-prescribed treatment to cancer. Like sheep led to slaughter, the current state of healthcare, and the sanctioned treatments for cancer only hastened my father’s death. I assume this is widespread.

I have learned two important things from this experience. First, the standard treatments for cancer do not work for the great majority of patients and, two; do not solely trust your doctor to make the critical decisions that will cost you your life.

This is what happened to my Dad. My Dad had a bout with skin cancer two years ago in which he received surgery and radiation. Although, the surgery disfigured his face, he was assured they got all the cancer and that the "margins" were good. After the procedures, there were no additional pet scans or tests to determine if the cancer was contained. Not until he starting losing his balance last summer, and underwent an MRI, was he diagnosed with 3 brain lesions. We should have realized before this point that a pro-active approach to monitoring his cancer should have been prescribed. What was the doctor thinking? Was this standard procedure? We should have cried malpractice!

When the vital information was not forthcoming from the doctors we should have asked many crucial questions. Such as what specific cancer does he have? What stage is the cancer? What is the prognosis? What are the treatments? What are the success rates for the treatments? What other alternative treatments are there? The doctors did not disclose any vital information that my father needed. There was a surreal sense of nonchalance. They didn’t even mention the word cancer…perhaps the word lesions sounds less dire? This whole dance around the truth seemed protocol.

I am pretty sure most people simply go along thinking that their doctor knows best but there were no viable answers- only more horrible treatments. After the cancer spread unchecked for two years, the doctor ordered lethal doses of radiation that quickly shut down his body.

When his body failed and he entered the hospital, the quality of care did not improve. When he stopped eating food at the hospital, someone of authority (not GOD) decided not to let him eat or drink. This was not even discussed with our family nor would it have been my father’s decision. He was in the fight of his life and he was determined not to lose. After my father told my sister that he was starving, she demanded that they immediately implement a feeding tube. The nonchalant delay of a week had passed without food and his condition worsened. We were met by the doctor’s nurse practitioner who simply rolled here eyes and said that it was "criminal" to feed him! Why she was even involved at this point will anger me forever.

From there, he entered into hospice and was very well taken care of at Tuscany House in Summerfield where he died on Wednesday March 27th. The people at this facility had a great deal of compassion. As epidemic levels of cancer patients arrive at hospice, I can only imagine what they may think is going on with healthcare in Central Florida…

If anyone studies the survival statistics of various cancers treated with the sanctioned treatments of radiation and chemotherapy, they would be flabbergasted. They would find that radiation and chemo treatments for many people only hasten their death. The number of cures is slim to nil. They say hindsight is 20-20, but if I knew this earlier I would have researched and attempted an alternative cancer treatment. Alternative cancer treatments appear to have major potential with none of the negative side-effects of of radiation and chemo. Big Pharma and Government have such a strangle-hold on OUR healthcare due to the gigantic revenue streams that researching alternative treatments are purposely suppressed. Thousands of lives are at risk by suppressing this truth and subsequently these companies, the government and the healthcare system as a whole are complicit. When 1 out of every 2 males and 1 out of every 3 females develop cancer in their lifetimes, this is a great travesty.

In memory of my Dad, I have put these thoughts to paper for the sake of humanity with the hope that I can help at least one person if not more. In summary, for the sake of your own long-term health (and that of your loved ones) please understand that big phama, and by proxy- your doctors do not have your best interest at stake. Consider your doctor’s advice only in context to your own research for your own course of treatment. And please don’t get sick in Central Florida.

Rough Draft 3-29-13

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I wrote on DU last week that my husband (Original Post) spartan61 Apr 2013 OP
I'm sorry for your terrible loss spartan61. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #1
Condolences for your loss RainDog Apr 2013 #2
Oh I am so, so, so sorry. Hugs and tears protect our future Apr 2013 #3
I am so very sorry for your loss JitterbugPerfume Apr 2013 #13
I hope you're doing good, Jitterbug. pacalo Apr 2013 #37
thank you pacalo JitterbugPerfume Apr 2013 #50
Your comment bring tears to my eyes. Not to know her grandchild is so sad. There isn't a day southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #76
southernyankeebelle, JitterbugPerfume Apr 2013 #104
Yes that is true. You know I have a 7 yr old granddaughter. I pray everyday that I live long southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #105
This is so sad. riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #4
Send to the "Letters to the Editor" to every major newspaper in Florida. Lochloosa Apr 2013 #5
I am so sorry. This is a horrible story. spooky3 Apr 2013 #6
So sad to hear of your husband, Spartan LittleBlue Apr 2013 #7
Words are all I can offer, but they represent feelings.... senseandsensibility Apr 2013 #8
my condolences,Spartan61 mitchtv Apr 2013 #9
I am sorry shenmue Apr 2013 #10
This is a good memory recollection. Write everything down that you can remember about his Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #11
If a doctor doesn't discuss the illness and possible treatments... LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #12
Oh, spartan61 Sissyk Apr 2013 #14
My deepest sympathies badtoworse Apr 2013 #15
Our deepest sympathy to your family... Tikki Apr 2013 #16
So Sorry for you and your family's precious loss, spartan. Cha Apr 2013 #17
I am so sorry Spartan61. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #18
My sympathies, but that letter is powerful. DollarBillHines Apr 2013 #19
I am so sorry for your loss, and extend my sympathy to you Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #20
Blessings to you and family n/t joesdaughter Apr 2013 #21
You have been through so much libodem Apr 2013 #22
I am so sorry for your loss Horse with no Name Apr 2013 #23
Condolences to you and your family csziggy Apr 2013 #24
My condolrnces. 840high Apr 2013 #25
I am so sorry, spartan61 Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #26
So sorry for your loss. progressoid Apr 2013 #27
Sorry for your loss.. Fumesucker Apr 2013 #28
I'm so sorry for your loss. Solly Mack Apr 2013 #29
Unfortunately, healthcare in this country is just not what juajen Apr 2013 #30
Same with my brother who died in October sorefeet Apr 2013 #31
I too am so very sorry for your loss defacto7 Apr 2013 #32
I'm so sorry for your loss. TDale313 Apr 2013 #33
Your son's letter is outstanding & it should be copied & sent to newspapers, legislators, pacalo Apr 2013 #34
Having a choice in your health care is everything... midnight Apr 2013 #35
So sorry for your loss and all you have been through BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #36
my deepest condolences on your terrible loss, spartan. my prayers are with you and your family niyad Apr 2013 #38
I'm so sorry for your family's loss. Lugnut Apr 2013 #39
I'm so sorry for your loss. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #40
I have seen 4 cases through to the end; by far most of what happened was as your son says it is. patrice Apr 2013 #41
Your son's letter needs eyes, lots of eyes. I am so very sorry for your loss, spartan. Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #42
Sometimes I get the idea they figure they'll just kill you... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #43
When my 94 year old mother was failing in a hospital down in Dallas, I was at her CTyankee Apr 2013 #44
To think the Republicans were against the idea of funding care for the dying. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #45
Actually, this happened in April of 2005 during the height of the controversy over that CTyankee Apr 2013 #46
Michael Moore revealed the #1 reason for forclosures was medical bills... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #63
same thing happened to my sister; she was left to wallow in filth at night noiretextatique Apr 2013 #81
my moher was at that point totally unconscious and died later that day but it was the CTyankee Apr 2013 #83
i know what you mean...the staff did not do their jobs noiretextatique Apr 2013 #87
Thanks, but she wanted to go. My brother had died the summer before. She fell and broke CTyankee Apr 2013 #88
i'm glad you found a way to live with it noiretextatique Apr 2013 #109
well, we can grieve for each other can't we? I will always wonder how long anyone grieves, CTyankee Apr 2013 #111
sibling loss is tough noiretextatique Apr 2013 #112
Thanks for posting. :hug: nt raccoon Apr 2013 #47
I am so sorry for your loss, spartan. brer cat Apr 2013 #48
Same thing happened to my sister-in-law samplegirl Apr 2013 #49
Sorry to hear this news. grantcart Apr 2013 #51
My deepest sympathies to you & your family. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #52
I am so sorry. redwitch Apr 2013 #53
This letter is heartbreaking lunatica Apr 2013 #54
My sincere sympathy to you all. eom Frustratedlady Apr 2013 #55
Deepest sympathy malaise Apr 2013 #56
Another outrage. 99Forever Apr 2013 #57
So sorry for your family's loss, Spartan Granny M Apr 2013 #58
spartan61 Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2013 #59
If this were my father, SamReynolds Apr 2013 #60
Deeply sorry for your loss n/t Bossy Monkey Apr 2013 #61
My deepest sympathy. jwirr Apr 2013 #62
I read this from Mile High Oncology. kaiden Apr 2013 #64
I wish the very best for your husband. My son was diagnosed with Lymphoma last April. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #94
Dear Auntie Bush kaiden Apr 2013 #113
Sorry for your loss BobbyBoring Apr 2013 #65
My mother was killed by a hospital as well. The entire saga of her care was a disaster. She had firenewt Apr 2013 #66
Let me tell you something....... Th1onein Apr 2013 #67
I so agree with everything spartan61 Apr 2013 #71
how do you research it? shireen Apr 2013 #106
Big pharma doesn't own all research results, OR govern how it turns out always.... Th1onein Apr 2013 #110
So very, very sorry for your loss and the horror you and your family suffered, LoisB Apr 2013 #68
I am sincerely sorry that your family had to go through this. hamsterjill Apr 2013 #69
Truth KT2000 Apr 2013 #70
I am so very, very sorry, Spartan61... OneGrassRoot Apr 2013 #72
So sorry, Spartan....Your son's letter is lovely, amazing. whathehell Apr 2013 #73
Spartan61 and son, I am sorry for your loss...thank you prairierose Apr 2013 #74
NCI designation helps dangin Apr 2013 #75
Thanks for posting this. It should also be noted that alternative treatments can be snake oil shrike Apr 2013 #77
I am so sorry for your loss - TBF Apr 2013 #78
spartan61, you have my deepst sympathies upon your loss. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #79
I'm so sorry for your loss Marrah_G Apr 2013 #80
So very sorry for your loss. Worried senior Apr 2013 #82
I am so sorry for the loss of your husband and father mgardener Apr 2013 #84
My sincere babylonsister Apr 2013 #85
Okay, I posted earlier from Mile High Oncology. kaiden Apr 2013 #86
I`m so sorry democrank Apr 2013 #89
I'm so sorry for your loss. Cleita Apr 2013 #90
I'm so sorry, spartan61 for the loss of your husband polly7 Apr 2013 #91
I am so sorry for your loss. Puglover Apr 2013 #92
I am so sorry for you loss and I can understand. The same thing happened with my father. Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #93
Why isn't anyone talking about the cause? Delmette Apr 2013 #95
I am so sorry for your loss...... Curmudgeoness Apr 2013 #96
My best. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #97
I'm so very sorry for your loss NikolaC Apr 2013 #98
You have a very special son. Stinky The Clown Apr 2013 #99
I'm sorry for your loss. Terra Alta Apr 2013 #100
Where to Send It Mad Maddie Apr 2013 #101
I am so sorry for your loss Warpy Apr 2013 #102
My heart is with you and yours. myrna minx Apr 2013 #103
My condolences on your loss, shireen Apr 2013 #107
(((((((spartan61))))))) WillyT Apr 2013 #108

JitterbugPerfume

(18,183 posts)
13. I am so very sorry for your loss
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:46 PM
Apr 2013

My daughter died in central Florida recently . The Dr took her trach tube out and she died the next day. It was negligence pure and simple since she contacted a bad infection in the hospital, but nothing can be proved. In the meantime she will never know her first grandchild who was born a month ago and there is a hole in my heart that can never be filled.

I hope you will find peace , my prayers are with you

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
76. Your comment bring tears to my eyes. Not to know her grandchild is so sad. There isn't a day
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:41 PM
Apr 2013

that goes by I wish a prayed my parents were alive to meet my granddaughter. I pray everyday that I get to see her grow up to graduate from high school. Then I know she will always remember me. My granddaughter is only 7 yrs old. We are close but I want to be there at least to see her graduate. If god goes past that time I will consider myself lucky. I'm so sorry for your lose.

JitterbugPerfume

(18,183 posts)
104. southernyankeebelle,
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:31 PM
Apr 2013

Although no one can take his grandmothers place, I will be there for him for as long as I live.

I love your name . My family is from the south (both sides) so I am a weird mix of north--south

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
105. Yes that is true. You know I have a 7 yr old granddaughter. I pray everyday that I live long
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:07 PM
Apr 2013

enough to see her graduate from high school. This easter we took her to the jewelry store because she keeps bugging us for a ring. It wasn't very expensive but it was silver with double hearts. I told her that when she wears it to remember that she has my and her grandpa's hearts always with her. Your right I loved my Nonna who lived in Italy and I didn't get to see her a lot but I adored her because of the quality type we did spend together. Now am 65 and still remember my grandparents to this day. That is why the comment got to me because I understand how he feels.

Well about my name. I am a yankee living in the south for 18 yrs now. I will never loose my yankee liberal leanings but I do like the warm weather and quiet area I live in.

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
4. This is so sad.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:34 PM
Apr 2013

I send to you my sympathy to you and your son. It is very hard to lose a loved one and even harder when you know they were not given the best care.

spooky3

(34,442 posts)
6. I am so sorry. This is a horrible story.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:35 PM
Apr 2013

Thank you for sharing it with us in the hope that someone else will be spared.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
7. So sad to hear of your husband, Spartan
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:35 PM
Apr 2013


Not sure where you can send it, just wanted to say how sad we are to hear of this.

senseandsensibility

(17,023 posts)
8. Words are all I can offer, but they represent feelings....
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:36 PM
Apr 2013

I am so sorry for what you and your family suffered. I am so sorry for your loss. The letter your son wrote should be read by everyone in Congress. Thank you for sharing it with us.

mitchtv

(17,718 posts)
9. my condolences,Spartan61
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:38 PM
Apr 2013

I am in the process of losing a nephew in his 40s to pancreatic cancer in Socal

Baitball Blogger

(46,703 posts)
11. This is a good memory recollection. Write everything down that you can remember about his
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:41 PM
Apr 2013

care. If you write it down it can be used in court as a "memory recollection".

Do not ask for help from the government. In Florida, they'll just defer back to the system. Get a lawyer if you think you have a case. Though I'm at loss for who to recommend in Central Florida.

I'm terribly sorry for your loss. I hope you find a good vehicle to tell your story so you can continue helping others in your father's name.

LiberalFighter

(50,908 posts)
12. If a doctor doesn't discuss the illness and possible treatments...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:45 PM
Apr 2013

RUN

Hope you all get through this without too much stress. It likely will not be easy. My parents left 2 years ago and it was initially difficult but it was time. I still have a day or two that isn't good but they had a mostly good life and that is good to have good memories.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
14. Oh, spartan61
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:49 PM
Apr 2013

I am so sorry for your families loss.

Stay close to each other. If helps tremendously during this tme.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
15. My deepest sympathies
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:52 PM
Apr 2013

Losing a loved one to cancer is difficult under the best of circumstances and yours were far from that. Your point is a good one - listen to the doctors; get different opinions and learn as much as you can. Don't trust just one doctor. In the end, whoever is making healthcare decisions for the patient needs to be informed and decisive.

Thank you for posting this. Hopefully it will provide guidance to those in similar situations.

Cha

(297,180 posts)
17. So Sorry for you and your family's precious loss, spartan.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:01 PM
Apr 2013


Thank your son so much for writing such a compelling expose on the Health Care System in Central Florida(sounds Horrendous).. and his Excellent Advice regarding "..consider your doctor’s advice only in context to your own research for your own course of treatment".

Best of Luck getting it seen by as many people as possible!

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
19. My sympathies, but that letter is powerful.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:07 PM
Apr 2013

I wish that I knew how to make this go viral.

Take care, and hold your son real tight.
DBH

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
20. I am so sorry for your loss, and extend my sympathy to you
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:09 PM
Apr 2013

and your family.

I think your son's letter needs to be shared. I couldn't agree more-big pharma and insurance companies are running our health 'care'.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
23. I am so sorry for your loss
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:13 PM
Apr 2013

and your son's letter is heartbreaking.

I honestly have felt for many years that cancer has very high profit margins. The poor get no treatment and the well-insured get state of the art treatment in cancer centers with marble floors and crystal chandeliers.

Oh yes they will always have a better nausea pill and other pills to treat the symptoms left by the poison that is the treatment...but to cure it would shut down a multi-billion dollar business.

In America today...where cash is king, that isn't going to happen.

I say this was a health professional with over 20 years experience.

Again, I am so sorry for your loss.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
24. Condolences to you and your family
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:15 PM
Apr 2013

We've lost two members of our family to cancer. My oldest sister twenty years ago to brain cancer and my brother in law six years ago to pancreatic cancer - both in Central Florida.

In both cases the family found that they had to be proactive and not to wait for the doctors and medical personnel to provide information or answers. Someone in the family has to be a pit bull about going after the needed information. In our family's cases, it was my older sister who was the advocate for both relatives. She researched the cancers, the various treatments, the quality of care at the available facilities, the individual doctors, and every aspect of possible care.

It's absurd that the time that should be spent with your loved ones when they most need you is instead spent doing the job that our expensive health care system should be doing.

to your family.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
26. I am so sorry, spartan61
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:25 PM
Apr 2013

My mother died in February much the same way. She endured 5 years of chemo, but ultimately the cancer didn't kill her. It was the treatment.

This is a striking letter, and your son is absolutely right. We must do better than this.

I'm so sorry for your loss.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
30. Unfortunately, healthcare in this country is just not what
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:36 PM
Apr 2013

people think it is. Those of us who have lost loved ones because of horrible care in what we believe to be good facilities know this firsthand.

I am so sorry that your Father had to go through this. Thank you for not letting it lie.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
31. Same with my brother who died in October
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:38 PM
Apr 2013

Pitiful treatment or non-treatment I guess. They offer him hospice a year and a half before he died. That was in Montana, we got him to Illinois where my sister is in the medical field, but by that time it was too late. If I were his doctors I would be ashamed of the way they did him.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
32. I too am so very sorry for your loss
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:42 PM
Apr 2013

and the experience you have had to endure. I have seen too many real "cures" pass through medical journals to disappear into thin air an a matter of days to have even the slightest argument for the system. Your experience is not obscure by any means, it's actually common; I had a similar experience with my step mother. Though we do have amazing treatments for cancers and other terrible diseases, I have little hope they will ever be utilized by the general public.

My thanks to your son for opening this window into some very sad medical practices that exist in Central Florida as it also represents practices that exist all over this country. Take this message to the hilt.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
34. Your son's letter is outstanding & it should be copied & sent to newspapers, legislators,
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:46 PM
Apr 2013

& the American Cancer Society. I could feel your son's love for his father in his words. I'm sorry for your & your son's pain.



My mom had breast cancer in 2000 at age 69. She had a good surgeon who performed a double mastectomy, but after her first chemotherapy treatment, she became deathly ill the following day. She almost died & was sent by ambulance to the hospital. She refused to have another chemotherapy treatment & the cancer never came back.

I suspect the surgeon's work was that good, but I also attribute her good fortune to the fact that he referred her to an oncologist who monitored her on a monthly basis for the first year; every three months following that, until the visits waned to every six months, then was eventually dismissed as "cancer-free". While under the oncologist's care, Mom had to have chest x-rays on a regular basis.

I have a feeling that, as a result of your son's letter, an investigation is in that Florida hospital's future in regard to your husband's treatment.

I wish you & your family the best; hoping for strength & comfort for you all.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
36. So sorry for your loss and all you have been through
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:48 PM
Apr 2013

Please tell your son he is doing the right thing and is absolutely on the right track! I am dealing with this issue right now with my mother who was diagnosed with bone marrow cancer. The doctors shuttle her back and forth, taking no responsibility, lying and only caring about what they can bill. Her oncologist has basically abandoned her care which is illegal, and lied to get her to do chemo, telling her that she would die in 3-6 months without it. That was almost two yeas ago. The chemo treatments have taken a woman who could walk and take care of herself to totally bedridden and nearly paralyzed with 24 hour care that is bankrupting our family. The chemo was killing her, so we decided to stop it and her cancer has not progressed since. Yes, she is doing better than before treatment! But it left her immune system so weak and her body completely fried, so she might as well be dead.

Every person I know with cancer did not die from the disease, they died from the treatment. Cancer treatments are criminal and for profit, one of the biggest, most evil lies that pharma has foisted on the public. I hope someday the new treatments we are reading about that harness the power of the immune system and the body to heal itself will someday replace the absolutely barbaric system we have today. But because of the massive profit gained from the suffering and death of so many, there is little hope.

I hope some people read your son's letter and think twice about seeking some kind of healing before submitting themselves to the torture of radiation and chemo. My mother is now on hospice and we have found the compassion and caring to be a 180 to the doctors who run around acting like God. It is one of my deepest sorrows that so many, like your husband and your family, has had to suffer through this horrible experience. I hope that your love and courage helps to heal and the fact that love never dies can be some solace.

niyad

(113,278 posts)
38. my deepest condolences on your terrible loss, spartan. my prayers are with you and your family
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:10 AM
Apr 2013

in this very sad time.

Lugnut

(9,791 posts)
39. I'm so sorry for your family's loss.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:01 AM
Apr 2013

I have always believed that chemo treatments for cancer are what kills the patient faster than the cancer would. Your son's letter has served to enforce my belief.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
41. I have seen 4 cases through to the end; by far most of what happened was as your son says it is.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:44 AM
Apr 2013

Two of those 4 were my very fine 1st and 2nd husbands.

I know what you're going through, spartan61.

Don't forget that in order for there to be great darkness, there must also be great light.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
43. Sometimes I get the idea they figure they'll just kill you...
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:49 AM
Apr 2013

My mother went in and I found out they had a tube down her nose and were pumping out her stomach and not feeding her.

When they found out she had a living relative that gave a damn enough to visit she was suddenly getting treated for the malnutrition they caused.

CTyankee

(63,911 posts)
44. When my 94 year old mother was failing in a hospital down in Dallas, I was at her
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:36 AM
Apr 2013

bedside about 6 in the morning and saw that she hadn't been attended to during the night. She lay in her own waste for I don't know how long before I got there. While she didn't appear to be in pain, it was clear neglect and I raised hell and got her taken care of immediately. The overnight nurse just neglected her because, I guess, she knew my mother was dying anyway...

CTyankee

(63,911 posts)
46. Actually, this happened in April of 2005 during the height of the controversy over that
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:00 AM
Apr 2013

severely compromised woman's husband stopped her feeding tube to allow her to die peacefully. My mom was in a Dallas hospital and I was thinking "what if Tom DeLay comes in to interfere in my decision to let my mother go as she wanted to"? It really wasn't funny at all. That circus, with Prez Bush flying back to D.C. from Texas in AF One just to ceremoniously sign that meaningless piece of nonlegislation in the middle of the night, was disgusting.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
63. Michael Moore revealed the #1 reason for forclosures was medical bills...
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:09 PM
Apr 2013

Most of the medical expenses one can draw are those last few weeks in the hospital before you die.

We already know the medical profession is in bed with the collection agencies. I wouldn't be surprised to walk in on them with the banksters as well.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
81. same thing happened to my sister; she was left to wallow in filth at night
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:04 PM
Apr 2013

before she died. but luckily, she still had all her faculties, so she filed a complaint with the management on the behalf of all the residents of the skilled nursing facility. and we started going to see her in the middle of the night to make sure she was taken care of. it broke my heart to see her in that place

CTyankee

(63,911 posts)
83. my moher was at that point totally unconscious and died later that day but it was the
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:09 PM
Apr 2013

utter disregard that outraged me...

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
87. i know what you mean...the staff did not do their jobs
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:45 PM
Apr 2013

and the management didn't care. sorry for your loss.

CTyankee

(63,911 posts)
88. Thanks, but she wanted to go. My brother had died the summer before. She fell and broke
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:50 PM
Apr 2013

her arm and then just gave up. She stopped eating. I was almost hysterical over that, but I look back now and realize that she chose a good way for her to go. I have read about other elderly people who do this and it is a peaceful way. We took her off the medication that was keeping her blood pressure up and she just fell unconscious and passed very gently and peacefully.

I no longer dwell on her death but on her life. Joe Biden said it best when he said "there will come a day when the mention of your loved one's name will bring a smile to your lips before a tear to your eye." I think this is true.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
109. i'm glad you found a way to live with it
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:03 PM
Apr 2013

and be at peace. i am almost there with my sister, but her story was quite different. she was our yougest sibling, and she died quite suddenly, just four months after our father died, at the age of 45. she was complaining of pain in her shoulder in november and the doctor misdianosed her with bursitis and mastitis. by january, we found out the awful truth: metastisized breast cancer. the cancer was very agressive and had spread to her brain and bones. she was dead by march 1st.

it was horrific to watch, knowing i couldn't do anything to prolong her life. her doctor's incompetence (or the insurance company's red tape) botched the one chance she had for a second opinon and possibly a clinical trial. she was adamant about continuing treatment, even though the doctors told us it would not do any good. she wanted to live. i think she held on as long as she could, and the last time i saw her, i told her it was okay to let go, and to stop being brave and strong for her children. i was packing my things to move where she was to spend her last days with her when i got the call from my older sister.

cynthia was so selfless, and so protective of me, that she did not want me to give up my life, but i would have gladly. you know, even as i write this very painful story, i am smiling...thinking of her.

thanks.

CTyankee

(63,911 posts)
111. well, we can grieve for each other can't we? I will always wonder how long anyone grieves,
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:43 PM
Apr 2013

anyway. There is always that space. Of course, my mother was old and was wanting the peace of death. She had lost a grown son. Even tho I had warned her that my brother's doctor said he would not survive another stroke, which he would have if he kept on smoking...

The loss of my sister in law, strangely, was the most difficult for me to take. She and I had had our babies at the same time. We were approx. the same age. But she had made a decision to live away from her kids, with her community where she had lived for many years and enjoyed drinking with them. Liver cirrhosis felled her and then killed her a few months later in 2010. I was inconsolable for months after. I couldn't understand it and I couldn't accept it. At her Memorial service I recited this:

"Sail on Silver Girl,
Sail on by
Your time has come to shine
All your dreams are on their way

See how they shine
Oh, if you need a friend
I'm sailing right behind."

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
112. sibling loss is tough
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:22 PM
Apr 2013

and she was like a sister to you. it's a very difficult to lose a contemporary, and someone who has been in your life for such a long time. yes...we can grieve for each other, and honor each others' grief. i still cry like a baby on the anniversaries and milestones. you did a very nice thing by honoring your sister-in-law and expressing your love for her.

samplegirl

(11,476 posts)
49. Same thing happened to my sister-in-law
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:37 AM
Apr 2013

here in Ohio.......from Breast Cancer and she did not have an invasive type of cancer. Not enough tests had been run and it finally spread to her spine. Sadly because of poor healthcare it cost her her life.

So sorry for your loss. I feel your pain.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
51. Sorry to hear this news.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:52 AM
Apr 2013


I went through an astonishing misdiagnosis of Menier's Disease (a rather common affliction of the inner ear). After two weeks of nonsense I went to the internet and made an appointment with the doctor and handed him a two page letter of questions.

Half way through he said that I was an "excellent candidate for some groundbreaking work being done at the University Hospital".

What triggered that reaction was a simple question, "Is my diagnosis based on clinical observation or laboratory results".

I went tot he University Hospital Ear clinic and within 5 minutes they had diagnosed me with Menier's. I asked if it was based on clinical observation or laboratory results and they said, "Clinical but we will run a definitive test in 15 minutes".

The initial board certified ear specialist had made a rather obvious misdiagnosis of a fairly common ear problem for people in my age group but when I handed him that letter he was worried about only one thing, a malpractice suit. As a result he immediately made sure I got a second diagnosis at the best facility in the County.

You cannot leave these matters to the doctor you have to try and get on top of your diagnosis and prognosis yourself.

Now here is some sober advice. Find a reputable medical malpractice lawyer. You should do this for two important reasons:

1) From the facts that you have laid out there are a couple of glaring malpractice issues. I won't go into them but they are substantial enough that you should go to an ethical malpractice lawyer. My father was in the medical field and when he died we went to a lawyer we trusted and he took us through the steps. At the end the conclusion was that while mistakes were made they were not obvious and the doctors worked in good faith and he didn't think that they amounted to real malpractice.

A good medical malpractice attorney will help you identify the legal issues. For us it helped bring closure, and I hate that term, but it really did. If we hadn't done that then we would have been festering about until today, and that was 40 years ago.

You only have a one time chance to take legal action. The clock is running and every day your legal options diminish. You may wake up some years from now after hearing of some additional cases that make your blood boil only to find out that you know longer have a chance to take action, even though know you really want to.

It may turn out that some of the facts you have are incomplete or wrong and that no medical malpractice occurred, in which case an ethical medical malpractice lawyer will have helped you resolve the issues. Simply seeing the attorney does not mean that you are going to take legal action.

2) Corrective future action.

Assuming that there was some serious diagnostic or treatment errors, you should assume that the facility and doctors you went to will make no changes. The only thing that will change their case management are a few successful malpractice suits. If you are right then we should assume that this wasn't the first time but that other people who had similar problems walked away after the death and took no action. Had they taken action then maybe your husband would have had different care.

Consulting a malpractice lawyer doesn't mean that you are greedy. If malpractice has occurred and can be proven you will have various options for settlement. If you family has been financially affected then you should get a cash award. But as part of a settlement you could reduce your demand in lieu of certifying upgrades in care, etc, although the surest way to get a medical facility to change care management is to have 4 or 5 large settlements on the same issue and getting a letter from their insurance company stating that if changes aren't made immediately they will no longer be insurable for malpractice.

If your family is well off then you could donate the settlement for research to skin cancer.


I hope that the above has been helpful during a very difficult time for you and your family. It appears that you have raised an outstanding son.

grantcart.

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
53. I am so sorry.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:59 AM
Apr 2013

I wish he had gotten better care so you and your son could be at peace with such a terrible loss.

malaise

(268,966 posts)
56. Deepest sympathy
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:31 AM
Apr 2013

Hug your son - that is a brilliant letter - send it everywhere - Ed Shultz, Rachel, Chris Hayes, Lawrence O'Donnell, Anderson Cooper, Melissa Harris-Perry - maybe one of them will start a discussion on cancer treatment

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
57. Another outrage.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:35 AM
Apr 2013

Our hearts go out to you and your family.

Wake up, people, it DOESN'T have to happen like this. We have to demand better and not shut up until we get it.

Granny M

(1,395 posts)
58. So sorry for your family's loss, Spartan
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:28 AM
Apr 2013

and so sorry for the suffering he had to endure. I hope that well written letter will do a lot of good. I like the idea of sending it to Letters To The Editor of all the newspapers. Blessings to you and yours.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
59. spartan61
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:40 AM
Apr 2013

Please accept my condolences on the loss of your beloved husband. What your family has been through is no less than criminal. Your son is a real credit to you and your family, and I wish for you all peace and comfort in the memories you share of Mr. spartan61.

K&R

 

SamReynolds

(170 posts)
60. If this were my father,
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:43 AM
Apr 2013

I would tell his attending oncologist: "If he dies, many of my family members who are military trained will have a personal issue with you."
If, after that, he sputters, retreats, gets defensive, or does anything other then looking me right in the eyes and says, "I will do anything but fail him. Should I fail, then I don't deserve to be here.", then we will go to another, and then another, however many it takes.

Which is to say, Thank You for your soulful and enlightening post. I am angered and brought to insight by it.

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
64. I read this from Mile High Oncology.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:35 PM
Apr 2013

Waiting with my husband for a treatment plan. He was diagnosed with lymphoma 2 weeks ago and the time between then and now has been slow and painful.

His primary care physician told him it was a cyst in his salivary gland that needed to be drained. A biopsy told otherwise.

We hope we got in in time.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
94. I wish the very best for your husband. My son was diagnosed with Lymphoma last April.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:16 PM
Apr 2013

He had Hodgskin ...not non-Hodgkin which is more difficult to to cure. My son did Chemo and radiation and was declared cured by Christmas. )))
So I hope your husband has the same good fortune. Sending you all healing vibes.

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
113. Dear Auntie Bush
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 09:31 PM
Apr 2013

My husband was diagnosed with Stage 4 MCL, a rare cancer. He went running today. Bone marrow transplant in his future. Sigh.

BobbyBoring

(1,965 posts)
65. Sorry for your loss
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:45 PM
Apr 2013

The "Greatest health care system in the world" claims another victim. As long as our "Leaders" labor under this delusion, this will continue.

 

firenewt

(298 posts)
66. My mother was killed by a hospital as well. The entire saga of her care was a disaster. She had
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:50 PM
Apr 2013

stomach cancer. Her first surgery was done the day after Christmas. We had to do everything she needed after surgery - very few staff due to the holiday week. Nurses told us what to do for her surgical drain, wound care, IV's and whatnot. It took 12 hours before we finally got her pain meds - she was in agony after having 90% of her stomach removed. She did make it out of the hospital but her prognosis was fair to good.. A year later she was readmitted due to an inability to eat. The idea was so administer a complete nutrient fluid by IV to increase her strength so further treatment could proceed. Her oncologist never saw her in the hospital - on vacation and made no arrangement for another doc to follow her progress. My mom's kidneys were not working well, but were working. They didn't measure her urine output and continued to force the IV nutrients into her body. I was screaming bloody hell about this - all I got was a condescending pat on the head. Her lungs filled with fluid and she basically drown. Her oncologist saw her the day she died. I cornered him in the hall and blasted him - told him I knew what killed her and it wasn't her cancer. He didn't utter a word in denial or defense.

I understand what you are feeling and offer my condolences. Time will lessen the pain, but you never get over the disgust you have for many in the medical field. May you achieve some degree of peace.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
67. Let me tell you something.......
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:52 PM
Apr 2013

I want you to turn this over in your mind:

Survival rates for cancer are determined like this: From the time of DIAGNOSIS to the time of DEATH. Think about that. They don't talk about "cures" for cancer. They talk about survival rates, and once again, remember: Survival rate is determined by time of DIAGNOSIS to DEATH.

Now, if you know that your treatments for a disease do NOT work, and do NOT prolong survival time, what would you do, if you don't want to change those treatments, because you make a lot of money from them, but you want to INCREASE "survival"?

Come on, now, think about it. It's pretty simple--you can't stop people from dying from the disease because your treatments don't work. But there's one thing that you CAN do: Encourage EARLY DIAGNOSIS.

This has two effects: it increases the money you make from diagnostic tests, AND it increases survival time, because survival is defined as time from DIAGNOSIS to DEATH. Got it?

Now, let's talk about cancer treatments--they are THE most toxic treatments in the world, and they haven't changed much in fifty years. In fact, most chemo drugs are KNOWN carcinogens. Haven't you ever noticed how people who "beat" cancer once usually get it again? Radiation, same thing--carcinogenic.

Now, let's talk about some basic biochemistry. Remember the Krebs Cycle and the electron transport chain (oxidative phosphorylation)? You should have learned about this process in your first biology class. It's the process by which you derive energy from your food. Remember ATP? Adenosine triphosphate? It is the cellular currency for energy and every cell must make it, because every cell must have it to live.

Through the process of oxidative phosphorylation, ADP is turned into ATP. This starts out with the cleaving of glucose in the cytoplasm, which produces four molecules of ATP, but uses two molecules of ATP, so the net yield is two ATP and two pyruvate. In a cancer cell, everything stops right there. Bam, you're done.

Have you ever seen a cancer patient in cachexia? Cachexia is a big word for wasting. The cancer patient is wasting away, not because they don't take in enough nutrients. They do. But because the process by which they get their ATP is stopped at glycolysis, which takes place in the cytoplasm. This process yields four molecules of ATP, but two are used up in the process and the net yield is only two molecules of ATP, period. Not a very efficient process, so no matter how much food you take in, you're going to starve, because you're not using it efficiently.

Now, normally, the pyruvate from glycolysis goes into the mitochondria and through the process of aerobic respiration, produces 38 to 39 molecules of ATP. But, in a cancer cell, the process stops before it can get into the mitochondria. In a cancer cell, the mitochondria are turned OFF. Not only can they NOT perform the final function of turning your food into ATP, but they do it efficiently, producing 38-39 molecules of ATP. And, not only can they NOT efficiently produce this cellular currency for energy, but the mitochondria contain the instructions for cell death. NORMAL cell death. Cells are programmed to die when they are no longer viable. But cancer cells are immortal; they do not die even when they cannot perform their proper function. Because they don't have mitochondria that function properly; their mitochondria are turned OFF.

Think about that. And then think about what you could do to cause the mitochondria to turn back on. It's pretty basic. The answer is obvious: Increase pyruvate levels in the cell.

I'm not talking about anything world-shaking here. This is basic biochemistry. Very basic. Something you should learn in high school, if not your first year of college. Glycolysis, the Krebs cycle, aerobic respiration--all of it is taught early on.

As for the difference between a cancer cell and a normal cell, Warburg won the Nobel Prize for medicine way back in 1931 writing about this. The processes by which cancer is diagnosed, in fact, uses this fact--that cancer cells make their ATP by using glycolysis instead of oxidative phosphorylation--to image tumors.

WHY haven't we cured cancer then? I'll tell you why: Because cancer is an industry. That industry does not profit from cures; it profits from treating cancer as a chronic disease. I'm not talking about some massive conspiracy; I'm talking about a system that refuses to acknowledge anything except what it benefits from. That includes research, education of physicians, drug formulation and development--everything involved in the treatment of this disease, is geared towards profit, not a cure.

Recently, a doctor out of Johns Hopkins, Young Ko, found that a form of pyruvate, 3-bromopyruvate, killed cancer cells without damaging healthy cells. She is no longer at Johns Hopkins, and her work has been taken from her. 3-bromopyruvate is a very cheap, unpatentable (it's older than 20 years as a chemical) compound. It would cost less than twenty cents a day to treat a cancer patient with it and the result would be a complete cure within less than two weeks. But her collegues at Johns Hopkins filed the patent on her compound and they are now trying to "reformulate" it into a new compound that is patentable. Why would they do that, knowing that people are suffering and dying from this disease every few minutes? Well, because you can't make money from an old compound; and if you can change just a tiny piece of it, you can patent the "new" compound and make millions.

Will we ever see ANY form of pyruvate used for the treatment of cancer? Probably not in my lifetime, your lifetime, your children's lifetimes, your grandchildren's lifetimes, your great grandchildren's lifetimes, your great grandchildren's lifetimes, if ever. Why is that? Because the companies that make the toxins used to treat cancer right now just change one little molecule on their compounds whenever the patent is due to run out and come up with a "new" drug every twenty or so years!

Now, you can read this and think that I'm some kind of conspiracy nut. That's fine. Or you can read this and think that I'm some kind of nut who thinks that they've found a cure for cancer. That's fine, too. But neither of those things are true, and if you want to find out the truth, just look it up for yourself. There's nothing here that you can't research for yourself.

In the end, it's your loved ones who will die if you do nothing. Cancer rates are increasing in this country (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/246061.php "Cancer rates expected to increase by 75% by 2030&quot . There's a reason for that, but I'm not going to go into it here (hint, hint: the increased glycolysis might very well be a response to the increase in glucose in our diets). In the end, it's you and your loved ones who bear the pain, and the loss.

Educate yourself. Then, DO something.

spartan61

(2,091 posts)
71. I so agree with everything
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:25 PM
Apr 2013

you wrote and I don't think you are a nut. I truly think that Rick Simpson in Canada has the cure by making hemp oil from marijuana, but we will never see it on the market. Big pharma cannot patent a plant that will cure cancer plus they would lose billions of profit. It's all about money. Google Rick Simpson and/or Dennis Hill to learn more about this. It's starting to get out to the public and I look forward to the rebellion when this all becomes public knowledge of how we have all been duped.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
106. how do you research it?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:36 PM
Apr 2013

I want to see scientific evidence. If big pharma has a stranglehold on medical research, i would not find anything useful in medical journals. Where do I go to get credible information?

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
110. Big pharma doesn't own all research results, OR govern how it turns out always....
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:42 PM
Apr 2013

PubMed is your friend. Read the research, order the full articles and read them, as well. Our tax funded AND private research institutions put out some decent research, although that, too, has been contaminated by big pharma and big money. You have to use your head, and you have to read A LOT on any one topic. If it seems too good to be true, it usually is. If it makes logical sense, it's probably got some truth to it.

The research I'm talking about has stood the test of time, and has been replicated many, many times. It's some basic shit. Like I said, oxidative phosphorylation, glycolysis, and the Kreg's cycle has been around a long, long time; it's Biology 101. Young Ko's research/drug has been tested in Germany, on an actual patient: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10863-012-9417-4#

Only you and your loved ones are going to pay the price for your ignorance. You can no longer depend solely on your doctor for having the answers; you must learn to utilize the great gifts of the internet and PubMed to educate yourself.

And, a word to the wise about "natural" compounds. Just because they're "natural" doesn't mean they won't hurt you or kill you. Cyanide is "natural," too. Many compounds that we currently take as pharmaceuticals are based on "natural" compounds; many natural compounds have been synthesized by pharmas. And, there are MANY, MANY companies out there with no decency whatsoever, just waiting to take your money for the empty promises of "natural" compounds. Some of these products have absolutely not even a trace of the compound that they are touting. Some have just a trace, and that's all.

There was once a company that touted an ingredient in lima beans that was supposed to keep you from metabolizing carbohydrates. They even referenced a research article on the topic. What they didn't tell you was the the mice in the research article took the pure form of the compound (which wasn't what you got in the powdered lima bean capsules they were selling) and the mice's rectums ruptured. One hell of a price to pay to lose a little weight, wouldn't you say?

LoisB

(7,203 posts)
68. So very, very sorry for your loss and the horror you and your family suffered,
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:01 PM
Apr 2013

especially your husband.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
69. I am sincerely sorry that your family had to go through this.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:04 PM
Apr 2013

What a sad, sad commentary on our nation's healthcare system.

Your son has my respect for putting this to paper! I hope he spreads it far and wide!

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
70. Truth
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:08 PM
Apr 2013

what your son wrote is the painful truth.
I hope it is published somewhere because we are being duped by myths of "the best healthcare system in the world."

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
72. I am so very, very sorry, Spartan61...
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:29 PM
Apr 2013


Hopefully others will give good advice as to where to share. It needs to be shared.

For now, I only have for you and your family.

prairierose

(2,145 posts)
74. Spartan61 and son, I am sorry for your loss...thank you
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:49 PM
Apr 2013

for writing this. I am sorry for your loss and grief. When I witnessed the same type of cavalier attitude with my brother's cancer in 2005, I could not express the actions as well as you and have been silent and filled with guilt since then. I feel that I should have done more to fight for alternative treatments as well as working harder to make sure that he has food and water. I tried, taking distilled water and organic food to him but the hospital's policy was that if he could not feed himself....well too bad. They made no attempt to feed him or give him water.

I see this as the end result of humans seen as profit centers. When there is little hope with traditional "medicine", stop giving the patient food and water, that way they die more quickly.

dangin

(148 posts)
75. NCI designation helps
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:56 PM
Apr 2013

I am so sorry for your loss.

I am only a filmmaker, but I was one employed by a major medical center. One which received national cancer institute designation. I'm sorry your experience was so difficult, but the blanket statements in your sons letter are wrong.

I filmed yesterday in a family conference with an oncology patient, who was moving from chemo to straight palliative care and it was the right choice and the oncologist was amazing.

My sister lost her battle with pancreatic cancer at the age of 41. Novel treatments and drug discoveries are occurring at a rapid pace. We do get cancers, and we do die. If you can't get to an NCI designated hospital try to find one associated for clinical trials with an NCI designee.

But someone above posted that threatening oncologists is a good idea. What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you know what it is like to have half your patients die over the course of your career? Do you have any inkling how much those doctors sacrificed to get through fellowships only to still get regularly beaten by this disease? If you want to threaten doctors go be a freeper.

shrike

(3,817 posts)
77. Thanks for posting this. It should also be noted that alternative treatments can be snake oil
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:51 PM
Apr 2013

So one should proceed very cautiously and NEVER abandon traditional medicine even while looking at alternatives.

I am a breast cancer survivor and was treated at an NCI-designated facility. Even when the doctors lacked beside manner it was obvious they knew their shit.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
79. spartan61, you have my deepst sympathies upon your loss.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:50 PM
Apr 2013

At the same time, I want to say, and I hope it makes you and your son feel better, while I agree that some of the cancer treatments sometimes seem to do more harm than good, I personally would not want to be placed on a feeding tube unless my chances for recovery were pretty good and the tube was likely to be a very temporary fix.

The feeding tubes can also cause serious problems just like some of the chemo and other cancer treatments.

Do you have any information about alternatives to chemo and radiation?

I have friends who have responded very well to some of the new tailor-made chemo treatments.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
80. I'm so sorry for your loss
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:57 PM
Apr 2013

I think he should send it to every major news outlet and every member of congress as well as the administration.

I am sure you are very proud of your son.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
84. I am so sorry for the loss of your husband and father
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:19 PM
Apr 2013

I was lucky that I was a nurse when my mother became ill. I Could look up info and could ask good questions.
As a nurse, I know that there is good care and bad care. It makes me so angry that we have not improved cancer care. We have come a long way, but we are losing so many good people too early.
There are lots of cancers that nothing much can be done and I would hope that any person would be given the option to aggressively fight their disease and have the option to say, enough is enough.

Anybody that has been given a diagnosis for any disease, condition or need for surgery should do the research or have somebody do research for them. May local hospitals or medical centers will research information for you. Call the library in your local hospital or regional medical centers. I volunteer at my local hospital doing that.
You need a second opinion. The hardest part is sifting through the information. There is excellent, good, bad and very bad info out there. Please be careful of alternative treatments. Bring somebody with you to all MD appointments to ask the questions and bring written questions. with you.
Find a MD that you trust and keep looking till you do.
Do not be afraid to complain to the Director of Nursing about lack or terrible care. Call the head of the hospital about physicians care.

These are things I have learned along the way, through my mother's illness and death. I have learned so much about my disability and own medical problems.
Have a living will and advance directive. Let your wishes known to your family and family MD. DO this before an illness strikes so those you love and leave behind do not feel guilty. I miss my mother, but I know we honored her wishes and she died in dignity and comfort. My children and husband know my wishes.

I would send that letter to the hospital where your husband was cared for and send it to the MD's. They need to know.

babylonsister

(171,057 posts)
85. My sincere
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:40 PM
Apr 2013

condolences to you and yours, spartan61. Though you expected this, I know how difficult going through the death of a loved one is.
Your son wrote a heck of a letter; please thank him for me.

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
86. Okay, I posted earlier from Mile High Oncology.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:34 PM
Apr 2013

My husband was diagnosed with Stage 4 Mantle Lymphoma. Because the CT scan showed that it was only confined to his right parotid gland (salivary), although there was evidence of it in his bone marrow, the oncologist suggested a six-cycle chemotherapy followed by an auto bone marrow transplant. Because my husband is younger and in good health otherwise, we concur with this course of treatment, although we will partake of alternative medicine as well.

Please don't beat us up. We do what we can do when we can do it.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
91. I'm so sorry, spartan61 for the loss of your husband
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:54 PM
Apr 2013

and for all the terrible things you were all put through. Your son is a very powerful writer. Strength, peace and much support to all of you.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
93. I am so sorry for you loss and I can understand. The same thing happened with my father.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:18 PM
Apr 2013

They took out a tumor in his colon and told him to go his merry way and did not check him for another year. At which point the cancer was back and had spread.

I blame the doctors for his death too. It is a horrible feeling to know you have been victimized by our "great" health care system.

Delmette

(522 posts)
95. Why isn't anyone talking about the cause?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:21 PM
Apr 2013

I am truely sorry for the loss of your husband and father. But i have to say the these cancer research programs do not address the cause of this explosion of cancer in our lives. I believe that the cause is all the small amounts of carcinogens in everything! Our food,water, air and just about everything we bring into our home are potential cancer causes. No one product is dangerous but the accumulation of all of this is probably the cause. Our FDA, EPA and any other Federal agency just sit on their hands and do nothing.

Sorry to get on my soap box. Know that there are many good thoughts sent your way.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
96. I am so sorry for your loss......
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 08:47 PM
Apr 2013

it is a great one. But you have a wonderful son who wrote a great letter. Not only that, but he has learned a lot during this ordeal, and that will serve him well.

His letter should be seen. I don't know where the most visiblity for it would be.....USA Today editorial? New York Times editorial? I have no idea whether they would print it, but I would try. He is very smart and I am sure that he will do well.

Lean on each other. Your hurt can be shared.


Mad Maddie

(11 posts)
101. Where to Send It
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:23 PM
Apr 2013

I would send it to:

1. Every major newspaper in the state (at least) as a letter to the editor.

2. Congress (U.S. Congress, Washington D.C., United States, 20515).

3. Your district rep.

4. Your state senators.

5. Your local TV news stations.

6. MSNBC.

Add a CC to the bottom of the letter so that everyone knows you're spreading the message.

And I would post it on your rep/senators' Facebook pages.

Yes, it's excessive but you gotta be excessive to get your point across.

Best wishes!

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
102. I am so sorry for your loss
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:52 PM
Apr 2013

You do need to know that alternative treatments do not work. If they did, they'd be mainstream treatment.

What has been found in the past year is that patients who get palliative (comfort only) care for aggressive cancers do outlive patients who want everything done and endure chemotherapy and/or radiation. This doesn't mean that some cancers can't be cured; of course they can. The problem is that a lot of oncologists consider themselves white knights doing battle and blow smoke up a family's collective butt about how effective the treatments are for a number of cancers there is little hope of curing.

After they found the brain mets, your husband should have been offered hospice care immediately. The NP was right, the feeding tube would only have prolonged death, not given him an extra chance at life, although her delivery was crap.

I agree that your husband should have been followed a bit more closely. However, care is being dictated by bloodless MBAs running insurance companies and a lot of us have been getting substandard care. The doctor's hands were likely tied since the margins were clear and he thought he'd gotten it all.

Again, I'm so sorry you lost him. Know that it will get better with time, although I don't know whether the pain lessens or we just get used to it. It just does get better.

shireen

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107. My condolences on your loss,
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:42 PM
Apr 2013

and I'm sorry to hear your family had to suffer through this trauma. It horrifying. Reading the other accounts similar to yours is very alarming.


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