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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:20 PM Feb 2012

Is the Stolen Valor Act constitutional? 10th circuit says such lies are not protected 1st amendment

10th Circuit Adds Fuel to Stolen Valor Act Debate

(CN) - With the Supreme Court set to determine the constitutionality of the Stolen Valor Act, which criminalizes lies about military honors, the 10th Circuit said that such lies are not protected by the First Amendment.

The 43-page majority decision reverses the finding of a federal judge in Colorado. It also creates a split circuit since a federal appeals panel in Pasadena, Calif., said that the U.S. Constitution protects "all speech, including false statements."

In July 2010, as the 9th Circuit was primed to strike down part of the Stolen Valor Act as unconstitutional, U.S. District Judge Robert Blackburn in Denver reached the same conclusion and dismissed a pending criminal indictment.

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Last week, a three-judge appellate panel said the charges should stand because the Stolen Valor Act is sound.

"Utterances criminalized by the Act are objective and verifiable, and they are particularly valueless under First Amendment principles," Judge Timothy Tymkovich wrote for the majority. "Although military affairs are undoubtedly matters of public importance, lying about receiving military medals does nothing to contribute to any conceivable public debate. The Stolen Valor Act simply does not punish political speech, factually correct statements, artistic expressions, or opinions of any sort."

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/02/43583.htm

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Is the Stolen Valor Act constitutional? 10th circuit says such lies are not protected 1st amendment (Original Post) The Straight Story Feb 2012 OP
Du rec. Nt xchrom Feb 2012 #1
So I can say that I killed an entire Iraqi platoon with nothing but my boot blouser MattBaggins Feb 2012 #2
Problem s that this is no just lying about the medal nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #3
Well, duh. TheWraith Feb 2012 #4
I support Stolen Valor Act iff every politician is prosecuted for lying when answering all questions jody Feb 2012 #5
great example of criminalizing non-crimes instead of solving problems unblock Feb 2012 #6

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
2. So I can say that I killed an entire Iraqi platoon with nothing but my boot blouser
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:31 PM
Feb 2012

I just can't claim I got the Medal of Valor for doing it?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
3. Problem s that this is no just lying about the medal
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:33 PM
Feb 2012

Some (many) of these folks take advantage and at times commit fraud.

Oh and I forgot, claiming the CMH was criminalized from early on since it includes quite a bit of benefits.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
4. Well, duh.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:37 PM
Feb 2012

Really, you have to not have much of a grounding in law to believe that the first amendment protects your ability to say ANYTHING, any more than the second amendment allows you to possess nerve gas.

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
5. I support Stolen Valor Act iff every politician is prosecuted for lying when answering all questions
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:38 PM
Feb 2012

IMO that would place most of the 545 elected politicians in D.C. in great risk of prosecution.

unblock

(52,257 posts)
6. great example of criminalizing non-crimes instead of solving problems
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 09:05 PM
Feb 2012

set up an official registry (assuming one doesn't exist already) so that anyone can easily verify who received what military honors. this is (or should be) all a matter of public record.

once this is done, there's no real problem.

but that would involve hiring a few government workers, which would be socialist, so hey, lock 'em up instead.

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