Bloomberg working to get Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D reelected.

[hack89]

Glad to see him putting his money to good use.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/259836/Sen.%20Heidi%20Heitkamp%20%28D-N.D.%29%20criticized%20New%20York%20City%20Mayor%20Michael%20Bloomberg%27s%20federal%20gun%20control%20push%20on%20Tuesday,%20advising%20the%20mayor%20that%20he%20should%20be

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1. I knew this was going to happen.

Bloomie's ads are going to backfire against him, he's running these ads in pro 2A states and the citizens of those states don't like a 1% asshole like him coming in with his money and telling their Sen. how to vote.
Here in NV, his ads are already backfiring against him.

[Capt. Obvious]

2. He's such a fool

He should use his money for more important things like pools filled with gold coins that he can dive into.

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4. So far,

you have the winning comment of this thread.
Good job.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. Sounds like Heitkamp needs to go and be replaced by a progressive.

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5. In North Dakota?

It won't happen. N. Dakota has a long and rich history of gun ownership and a very independent streak, just like here in NV, they don't like outsiders like Bloomie coming in with their money and telling their Sens. how to vote.

The only thing that would be accomplished by attempting to replace her with a progressive would be getting a RW repub. elected.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. So, it's the "not as bad" excuse?

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12. Noooo.

It's that she's doing what her constituents want her to do.
You know, that whole representing what your states citizens elected you do thing.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Did you apply that same thought when Bush was president?

Just go along with whatever he does because he "represents" the country's citizens?

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24. No, I voted against him and protested his policies.

So, let me see if I understand you, you don't think that a Sen./Rep. should vote the way their constituents elected them to do so?
Or they should vote for someone who goes against their beliefs because some outsider tells them to?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. I think that politicians should be held accountable for what they say and do.

Even from "outsiders".

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32. And if she doesn't represent her constituents like they want her too,

she will be held accountable in the next election.

[RC]

6. For North Dakota, Heitkamp IS a progressive.

She is also well thought of there also.

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7. Right, let's replace people who actually represent their constituents with people *we* like.

Fuck that representative democracy shit, eh?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. I generally vote for people I like. You?

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14. And there you have it.

The citizens of N. Dakota did vote for who they liked.
And she's pretty darned popular there.
Pretty arrogant of outsiders telling them what kind of Sen. they should elect.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Did any "outsiders" tell them to vote for Obama?

How dare they.

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20. I'm quite sure that outsiders told them to vote for President Obama,

and guess what? They instead voted for Romney and Ryan.
The fact is that the citizens of a particular state will vote for who they want, not for someone an outsider wants them to vote for.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. So, she shouldn't be held accountable while in office?

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28. Held accountable for what?

She is voting the way her constituents want her to vote. If she didn't, then she would be held accountable and voted out of office and replaced by someone who will.

I don't understand why you're not getting the concept of this.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. I get the concept. What I don't get is why Democrats wouild vote for some who backs Republican

policies.

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34. Because not every Democrat is marching in lock step with the Party.

There are differences of opinions and in N. Dakota, the Dems. are not always in agreement with the party platform on firearms.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

48. Well, I'm in agreement with the Dems in ND who are anti-gun.

Fair enough?

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52. Fair enough.

However, you probably won't find too many anti gun people in N.D., Dems or Repubs.

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36. And there's the nugget that's been missing..

You want to play party zampolit and decide what is and isn't the policy of democrats in states like ND.

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15. So did the people of ND. So.. what.. fuck them for *your* choices? n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. They voted for Bush & Romney too. So, congratulate them for their choices?

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25. Well, I certainly don't expect to dictate their choices for them.

See, that's the thing about choice. Give people the opportunity to choose, and sometimes they make choices we don't agree with.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. Are we allowed to criticize their choices and hold them accountable

I'm not telling anyone how to vote, I'm telling them they need better candidates than 3rd Way sell outs.

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29. Are you an ND resident? Then no, you don't have a say in the matter.

The residents seem pretty happy with Sen Heitkamp. Who are you to begrudge them their choice?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Does that go people like Bachmann and Boehner? I'm not a resident of their states either.

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33. Absolutely. That's what it means to have a representative democracy.

If the people of their districts want to elect crackpots, that is their prerogative. I don't have to like their choices, but it's theirs to make.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. So, the likes of Boehner and Bachmann should get a pass from the rest of the courntry?

Because they don't live in their districts? How about journalists who don't live in their districts?

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44. If the people of their district feel that the pols represent them, then I won't gainsay their choice

The best I can hope for is to educate the people of the district to make better choices.

[graham4anything]

38. Ralph Nader sold his soul to the republican party to continue to partake of the whine

Sticks and stones may break bones, But Ralph Nader singlehandedly took away the hopes and dreams of all Americans for 8 long years with his sell-out. And, like the Brooks Brother rioteers, Ralph and them brag about it and would do so again in 2016 given half a chance.

Luckily, in 2016, it will take a Clinton to defeat Jeb Bush.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. Nader? Whatever are you talking about?

I don't recall Nader running for a seat in ND.

Singehandedly? Nader had only one vote and it wasn't in Florida. How do you account for the Florida Democrats who voted for Bush?

[graham4anything]

42. 1-2-3-4 4 electoral votes in NH=271 for Gore. 11/2000 trumps 12/12/2000

How do I account for Bush voters? I account for them being Naderites who decided to believe the trash out of his potty mouth when he said both candidates were one and the same.
And then had the audacity to brag about what he did afterward.

But had NH not had Nader, Gore had 271 votes, more than enough to be seated.
Thanks to Ralph, he wasn't.

I 100% back Heidi for Senate (just not during the NY Jets game) (old joke that wasn't funny)

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45. You back Heidi 100% for the Senate?

But how can that be? You've stated that you are anti gun, Heidi's strong pro gun.
How do you square that with your earlier statements?

[graham4anything]

47. The days of NRA blackmail are ending. Ta ta to the NRA

with the senate firmly in hand, comes confirmation of a new SCOTUS

as Johnny Cash sang "Life ain't perfect for a boy named Sue"
but life will be perfect when the 2nd is reinterpreted, and the more democratic senators, the better to easily change the court in the next 10 years to a bullet proof majority to reinterpret the 2nd.

nothing shall change til then, but the crossing of the t's and the dotting of the i's is slowly being done to stamp the NRA DOA

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. So, Gore didn't offer enough to the left to get their votes.

And, they voted for someone more progressive who did offer them more. Whose fault is that? Politicians have to earn votes.

[graham4anything]

50. One holds their noses and votes, like I did for Jon Corzine

now people whine about Chris Christie. I voted for Corzine.

Why did Bill bradley disappear from view after whining and taking the ball home?
Why did Russ Feingold leave the arena?

Paul Wellstone was 100% for Al Gore in the general, even though he was for Bradley.
He didn't bite the hand that fed him.But Ralph Nader did.

However, I 100% fully backed and love Barack Obama, as I did in 2004 and 2008 and forever forward.

It does help to have a candidate to love, however, it's not a requirement.

Alot of good protest votes do, when there are consequences. Gore would not have gone to Iraq and those people that abandoned Jimmy Carter would not have let 1 million people die from AIDS without doing something like Ronald Reagan did. (And why did voters vote for Ronald Reagan and Bush41 and ditch Jimmy?

but one can never go back, so one always has to go forward and not repeat the same mistake again.

[graham4anything]

35. I love President Obama and want his agenda to continue for 1000 years. I love Tom T. Hall.

I like Hillary Rodham Clinton45 and am working for her for President to continue the agenda of President Obama who won the revolution in 2008

and I like Janet Reno and Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder(I really, really like Eric), and Deval Patrick and Corey Booker and Jerry Brown

I like Wellness.
I hate sickness.
I like not having a 48 ounce soda shoved at me, and I can't wait for the day SCOTUS changes and reinterprets the 2nd, so that we can all agree to protect the 2nd when it bans all bullets and guns from a private person

I like old dogs, young dogs, old cats, young cats and I love Tom T. Hall.

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39. Nice hijack of the thread.

Now, how about actually commenting on the gist of this thread?

[graham4anything]

41. I love Heidi, but not while I am watching the NY Jets

follow the dots, post #11 asked about liking a candidate

Anyone Barack Obama likes, I like.

Anyone that is against guns, I like

I can understand why the NRA don't like Mike and don't like anyone he wants to win, being that anyone he supports don't like guns in 2014.

BTW, I like the legendary Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt. Wish both were back in office.
Bruce Babbitt too, sigh, I miss him, he was good people.

And I like Art Garfunkel and Paul Simon, both of the Paul Simon.Loved his bow tie.

and I love Tom T. Hall, too.

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43. So you're against anyone who supports gun rights?

Then how can you love Heidi Heitkamp?
She is a very strong supporter of gun rights, so, once again, you're contradicting yourself.

And whats your opinion of Bloomie's gun control ads starting to backfire in the states he's running them in?

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49. Careful..

.. you're likely to cause..

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53. I remember that episode. nt.

[geek tragedy]

8. Heitkamp is as progressive as ND can handle.

This is the state with the worst abortion laws in the country-worse than Alabama, Mississippi, etc.

[hack89]

9. Because North Dakota is absolutely crawling with progressives

that is why they overwhelmingly voted for Barack Obama in 2012 ... oh wait a second.

[GoCubsGo]

13. Exactly right. We're lucky to have her.

I am not really a fan of hers, but she's probably the best we are going to do in North Dakota, and the alternatives would all be far, far worse. And, she's a far sight better than the two turds who represent my state in the Senate. Or, the clowns from next door in Georgia, and all the way down the line west, until you hit New Mexico.

[Coyotl]

19. First, would you please convert ND to a progressive state

Thank you, now that idea will work

[Comrade_McKenzie]

22. I like that Bloomberg is shaking things up...

One of the few decent billionaires in America.

[hack89]

23. Helping getting Dems reelected is a good thing. nt

[2naSalit]

51. Seems noone here has noticed

that ND is booming with the petroleum trade at the moment... you know, that industry that buys elections? It's about the only thing going on in ND other than RWNJ zealots in the state legislature, also likely placed in their seats by the same special interests. And then there are some Indian Reservations where voting was vastly curtailed and many of the voting "constituents" were probably coerced into voting for her because she also favors the Keystone XL which will provide all of 200 temporary jobs in her state... most of the gun owners in her state are not the majority of regular citizens but the newly imported working serfs helping to propel the petroleum industry, they come armed to the gills and mostly live in man-camps, but hey, they were "residing" in the state during the elections so....

Dem or not, she's a shill, has she even said a peep about the anti-women campaigns in her state? Of course, women are a minority there after all.

I live next door, it's only slightly better here. We have two DINOs in the Senate here.

Edited to add text in italics above for clarity of point.