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white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:08 PM Feb 2012

Newfound super-Earth just might support life.

"It's the holy grail of exoplanet research to find a planet around a star orbiting at the right distance so it's not too close where it would lose all its water and boil away, and not too far where it would all freeze," Steven Vogt, an astronomer at the University of California at Santa Cruz, told Space.com. "It's right smack in the habitable zone — there's no question or discussion about it. It's not on the edge, it's right in there."

I just saw this posted somewhere else and thought people here might be interested. Just don't tell the Neo-cons, they are already looking for somewhere else to invade. Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46237284/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.Tyrssvm22Wk

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sinkingfeeling

(51,461 posts)
1. I want to beat them there and try to establish a new world without religion, politics, and
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:10 PM
Feb 2012

based on human kindness toward each other.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
2. Unless of course some species has already claimed it.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:12 PM
Feb 2012

Actually, I wonder. If this planet is so similar to Earth, is it theoretically possibly for humans to have evolved there?

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
5. off the top of my head, no....
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:22 PM
Feb 2012

Just a quick, gut answer, but think about the evolutionary history of humans. The gaps in our phylogeny aren't important here, just the overall complexity of the pylogenetic tree that leads from some root prokaryote to eukaryotes, opithokonts, animals, deuterostomes, chordates, vertebrates, mammals, primates, and humans-- and those are only the major landmarks. Every one of those branchings-- let's assume there were at least a million mutations and other significant biological events-- between that root prokaryote and us depends upon a random event, and many of THOSE could only happen in the specific context of all the prior random events, so even without a full phylogenetic tree it's pretty obvious that the odds of evolving humans twice are infinitesimally small.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
6. No. There might be a form of life similar in intelligence and even culture but they certainly would
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:24 PM
Feb 2012

not be human. Through convergent evolution however they could very much resemble
humans. It sounds as if this planet is deficient in metals compared to earth however, so that would likely mean that whatever humanoid cultures are there would have developed very differently in terms of use of iron, bronze, etc. Maybe everything is made of glass.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. I would rather not colonize another planet, but leave it alone.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:24 PM
Feb 2012

Every time humans colonize it doesn't end well.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
3. It sucks that their life is so much better than ours since they have no Newt Gingrich.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:15 PM
Feb 2012

Maybe they would take Newt off our hands if we threw in Mitt?

Uncle Joe

(58,370 posts)
9. Yes, but they might be worse off having a Poot Ringrich;
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:30 PM
Feb 2012

A flatulent, blowhard corporate supremacist with many gold rings.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
8. Don't forget that if the size of the planet is too large or small there are gravity issues that coul
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:24 PM
Feb 2012

be very challenging.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
11. Also don't forget that 22 light years makes the odds of humans landing there vanishingly small
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:39 PM
Feb 2012

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
16. Right, even if we were to travel the speed of light,
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:20 PM
Feb 2012

the astronnauts would have to be in their 20s.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
14. Gravity depends on mass, not volume. It could be much less dense.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:47 PM
Feb 2012

If it is it might be very gassy so we could send Newt there and he would blend right in.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
15. gravity can be tricky
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:15 PM
Feb 2012

The moon is 1/4 the size of earth, but has a 1/10 of the gravity.

Since there aren't many heavy metals in the system, its conceivable that it could have 80 to 120% the gravity of the earth, even though it is 2-3 times the size of the earth.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
12. I so wish I had any ability for math.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:41 PM
Feb 2012

Most other Asperger's people do. I'd have become an astronomer, cosmologist or theoretical physicist because this kind of stuff absolutely fascinates me and has for decades. My only gift is for words and analysis. I can do complex logic problems, but only when they are in words.

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