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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhew, my 10,000th post.....Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
Yes, that is what I said
..pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
We hear this all the time. What is wrong with you? Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps. So lets take a look at how that will go. Lets assume you have boots. With straps. Now grab those straps. Pull. Pull harder. You arent pulling hard enough, put all you have into it. Pull until you are exhausted. Then keep pulling.
Did you get anywhere? Is it possible for you to get any further than where you started?
What the hell are they talking about? This is the sickest joke on the poor, telling them that they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Why are we even letting this expression be used without making the user look like a fucking idiot?
Or maybe, this is just what they mean when they use this expression----keep trying, boys and girls. Get yourself too tired to fight anymore, and then we will not have to deal with you anymore.
And that, folks, is my 10,000 post. I spent too much time thinking about the impossible and what it means.
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)I have a feeling the people that use it don't even know what it means.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)because I was so curious about what the hell it meant. It actually started as a term to describe the impossible, which makes sense.
http://abetterworldisprobable.wordpress.com/2011/05/17/pulling-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps-an-etymology-of-an-american-dream/
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Since I don't post all that much, I thought I'd never get here.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)" it's kind of hard to lift yourself up by your bootstraps, when you have no boots"
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)and it makes a lot of sense. I have even used that many times.
But then, I realized that the whole idea of this makes absolutely no sense.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Lots of bridges could be repaired with that money. I just wonder why we get stuck with the bootstraps of sequester while foreign nations, whose PMs lie to meddle in our elections, enjoy a raise.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)We could do so much infrastructure improvement, which is the same as job creation with something to see at the end.
Sigh.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)except for the kid that brought it to the party.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)And I agree with you about the nonsensicality of that particular idiom.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)It have been a long strange trip.
You used the name of another DUer in your post.
You start to notice odd things like that when you are sleep deprived.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Go to bed!
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)When so many don't have boots?
Congratulations on your benchmark, but I still have to ask
What are these "bootstraps" that magically empower us to achieve the unachievable, and where might we get them?
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)And in answer to your question, from Wiktionary:
Does that help? No. Keep trying.
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)boots are expensive. Speaking for the poor at the time that this expression became popular, that had never seen a boot or knew what bootstraps were -
isn't that pretty much the same as saying "Let them eat cake"?
My point is that it was just so ignorant of the plight of the poor that it was absoluteness ridiculousness for them to say such a thing, and by saying it they only proved how out of touch they were with the very people they were trying to denigrate.
sort of like saying "a rising tide lifts all boats" - what if you can't afford a boat?
"pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" - I've never been able to afford shoes, so WTF are "bootstraps"?
Do you see?
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)and I did with your first post, but I am making the argument that, not only is it heartless to tell people without boots to pull themselves up by the bootstraps that they don't have, but it is ridiculous to even suggest that someone can get anywhere by doing so, if they have boots.
The expression is utter nonsense. It is just not a reflexion of the speaker being out of touch.
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)that you were defending the OP.
Honestly, I wasn't trying to claim that the OP was "out of touch", only that the phrase itself was. Even though it's a common phrase.
considering that the OP was mostly satire, I thought I was supporting his POV. At least, that's what I meant, if not to enhance it a little.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)For the record, my OP was not satire. It was a real observation of a real problem. I hate that expression, and I do want to call people out about the impossibility of what they tell people to do. I don't want to argue with them anymore about why or why not we have boots.
But I do appreciate the enhancement of the discussion.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Duh, it never occurred to me to get a picture---probably because I still find posting a picture to be a chore.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I got this here phone wired.
Congratulations on your 10,000 post BTW.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)jazzimov
(1,456 posts)on their feet?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... for putting the words to something many of us have thought.
Excellent.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I hate nonsense.....and this has just bugged the shit out of me.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... and the condescending, belittling attitude behind it, even more.
malaise
(269,150 posts)You rock.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Never thought I'd get this far......and I am shocked at myself that I stop here every day. I never thought that I would have an obsession that continued this long.
It's been good.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)And thank you for your thots.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I am old too.
Glad you joined us, I see you are rather new. Welcome aboard.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)And I thought that getting to 1000 was a challenge, back when that was the benchmark to stop being a "newby".
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)What they neglect to mention is that you need magical, blessed, holy boots to accomplish this and they are not easy to come by.
However, I hear there are a pair of ruby slippers that can get you home.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I just need magic.....what else is new?
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I think the rich just say shit like that because they think we are here to entertain them like stooges, when not wiping their asses for spare change.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I guess that is the point, the best result we get is to fall over.
I can imagine people like RMoney being entertained by our struggles.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I have enjoyed the time it took to get here.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Feels good.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)I don't know how they did it, but kudos to Ronald Reagan and the GOP for somehow convincing millions of middle-class and poor Americans that they, too can sit atop the capitalist pyramid when rich Americans are given more money.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)They want all the underlings to believe that they are just not working hard enough, or that they will get there....one day.
I also cannot figure out how they convinced so many people at the low end that this will work.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)and maybe it was appropriate at one time or another but it doesn't apply anymore. Coming from my background (which is another topic all together), I have done this all my life. One of the last blow's was my career. I put myself through school, learned a computer technical trade, got a job, bought a house, but somewhere along the way....
...it turned into 60 hour weeks with no extra pay, more work for less money, jobs started being shipped over seas, jobs here started disappearing, to current, I'm a self employed contractor struggling to find my next gig.
I dotted my I's and crossed my T's and did all correct things according to historical experience.
It doesn't apply anymore.
Now it's back to square one and I can't find my boot straps, I've gone through so many of them, is this all there is from now and forward into retirement, or should I say faux retirement?
-p
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)So many of us did all the "right" things....the things that we were told to do. But really, I don't think that this ever worked. The rules haven't changed, for the most part. They never were stacked in our favor. It is illusion. This expression was never appropriate.
This is not to say that luck did not stack in some people's favor, and I call it mostly luck. I have (so far) been lucky, because I still do have a job, and that is not really because I am a better person than those who lost jobs---I have been lucky. But as far as pay increases, or advances, I have not been lucky...I have been losing ground for half of my life. But the people who are using this idiom these days are basically using it to say "you are lazy leeches".
I resent it.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)I wish you joy and love and another 10,000, and several more decades after that, my friend...
(my boots don't have straps anyway, so I have no recourse but to stop trying to do better, and just be happy that I'm not looking like a fucking idiot, or one that is just merely flirting)....
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)You have the right attitude. Being happy is what matters most, and I am glad to hear that you are happy.
And do you mean you are grateful that you are not a Tea Party Republican....since they are the ones who look the most like fucking idiots. I'm glad you are here!
treestar
(82,383 posts)Right wingers are so stuck in the 19th century. Even then it wasn't true. They want it to be that people are too due to lack of effort. That way they don't have to feel any responsibility.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)This expression started from a folklore tale, about a man who pulled himself out of quicksand by his ponytail----or so the intertubes tells me. And it was one of those impossibilities. It still is, and I am really tired of having these "fine, upstanding citizens" in the GOP call us lazy and unmotivated when we can't get ahead, even when we work hard and try to be the best that we can.
Phentex
(16,334 posts)Congratulations on your 10,000th post.
I pretty much hate the expression myself. I remember being told I had to pay my dues, bide my time, etc. Many people manage to break the chain of poverty but it's not simply because they "wished" for it and if they just wished harder, they could pull themselves up by their boot straps. (!)
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I don't care if someone has boots or not----they will not get anywhere by pulling those bootstraps.
I forgot about all the other expressions successful people use to demean people beneath them....like we all don't pay our dues! I would like to see those successful ones pay some of the dues that the poor have paid. Let's call it like it is----luck. Luck of birth, or luck of IQ, or luck of choosing just the right career path at just the right time, or luck of picking the best investment at just the right time.
Blue Owl
(50,484 posts)n/t
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)About bootstraps, seems to me people would first need to have the boots with straps before they could attempt that impossible feat. Who the hell can afford those? They don't just give those things away ya know.
I've never liked that saying.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I agree that you do need boots first, but the point really is that this expression makes no sense, and it is used all the time...makes me wonder if it is intentional. Do these people who use it want us to just kill ourselves trying to do the impossible?
Good to see ya.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)a little or more money,erroneously believe they did it and so can you. Well, I call bullshit on that. I don't think anyone can become even middle class, never mind rich, without some type of help from others.
To me, that saying is one that people use to belittle others and/or to puff up themselves.
Good to see you too.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I'm closing in on the same mark. Maybe later this year. It's taken me a long time to get my post count up.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)It took me nearly three years to get here, and most of those posts were silly or just meant to kick a thread that I found interesting and worthy of being seen. Doesn't matter though, a post is a post, isn't it?
A HERETIC I AM
(24,376 posts)I just passed 10,000 posts the other day and it never occurred to me to start a thread about it.
Congratulations.
If you have, as I have, averaged less than 2.75 posts a day since you joined then you tend to read more than you post. Which is a good thing.
Oh. Look at that. Nope
Snark off
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I really never figured I would be coming here this long....I tend to bore easily. So this really is something special for me....I got bored with Facebook within a month. So it is quite a compliment to DU and all the people here that they can keep my attention.
And don't feel bad that you have nothing to say. And that you didn't think of starting a thread.
Snark off-----congratulation to you too.