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Phil Donahue on His 2003 Firing from MSNBC, When Liberal Network Couldnt Tolerate Antiwar Voices
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Phil Donahue, one of the best-known talk show hosts in U.S. television history, his show was on the air for more than 29 years. In 2002, he returned to the airwaves, but he was fired in 2003 on the eve of the war by MSNBC because he was allowing antiwar voices on the air. Along with Ellen Spiro, he directed the documentary, Body of War, which tells the story of Tomas Young, an Iraq War veteran paralyzed from a bullet to the spine. Now, at the age of 33, Tomas has decided to end his life.
Tomas Young, Iraq War veteran and the main subject of the documentary, Body of War. On April 4, 2004, his fifth day in Iraq, Youngs unit came under fire in the Sadr City neighborhood of Baghdad. Young was left paralyzed, never to walk again. Released from medical care three months later, Young returned home to become an active member in Iraq Veterans Against the War. He recently announced that he will stop his nourishment, which comes in the form of liquid through a feeding tube a decision which will hasten his death.
In 2003, the legendary television host Phil Donahue was fired from his prime-time MSNBC talk show during the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. The problem was not Donahues ratings, but rather his views: An internal MSNBC memo warned Donahue was a "difficult public face for NBC in a time of war," providing "a home for the liberal antiwar agenda at the same time that our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity." Donahue joins us to look back on his firing 10 years later. "They were terrified of the antiwar voice," Donahue says.
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JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Phil, Id like to bring in another subject in terms of this whole issue, thewhat happened to you, directly, as a host on MSNBC in the midst of the run-up to the war, and the responsibilities of the press in America and itsthe mea culpas that have rarely been uttered by the pundits and by the journalists over what the American press did in the run-up to war.
PHIL DONAHUE: Well, I think what happened to me, the biggest lesson, I think, is thehow corporate media shapes our opinions and our coverage. This was a decisionmy decisionthe decision to release me came from far above. This was not an assistant program director who decided to separate me from MSNBC. They were terrified of the antiwar voice. And that is not an overstatement. Antiwar voices were not popular. And if youre General Electric, you certainly dont want an antiwar voice on a cable channel that you own; Donald Rumsfeld is your biggest customer. So, by the way, I had to have two conservatives on for every liberal. I could have Richard Perle on alone, but I couldnt have Dennis Kucinich on alone. I was considered two liberals. It really is funny almost, when you look back on howhow the management was just frozen by the antiwar voice. We were scolds. We werent patriotic. American people disagreed with us. And we werent good for business.
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WillyT
(72,631 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)And no one stands in the way of the business of warmongering.
And here we are again, edging toward war with a tougher opponent than any we've had since Korea.
How the hell do we stop this?
Gothmog
(145,567 posts)The interview is very interesting and explains why no one was able to speak out effectively against the Iraq war.
Rex
(65,616 posts)If nothing else, the owners of the various brands should be held accountable for enabling a criminal enterprise in Iraq and then helping GWB steal another election in 2004.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Color me totally unsurprised.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I worked in the electronic sales division. I sat at a desk and took orders for electronic parts all day long. The biggest purchasers from my regional office were McDonnell/Douglas, Northrop, and Hughes Air Craft, major military contractors and several others with plants in Southern California.I don't thing things have changed and God knows how many other fingers they have in the Industrial/Military pie. Because, even back then, before they were allowed to get into the communications industry, the company was huge. They didn't just make appliances.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)UTUSN
(70,742 posts)The Wizard
(12,549 posts)were called into Welch's office and told to make Bush the president and make him look good, and they would be made rich men. They did Welch's bidding and Welch made them rich men.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Got a source for it?
The Wizard
(12,549 posts)Make him talk about it.
UTUSN
(70,742 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Could be what happened. If you had info on that I would have wanted to read it, no doubt such discussions do take place.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)We REALLY need to get the fairness doctrine back, too. There is WAY too much concentration of ownership /monopoly in the media.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)the communication and entertainment business. I wish I had more information as to which Act changed all that, but it was during the Reagan era, I believe.
valerief
(53,235 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)Liberal my ass.
whathehell
(29,094 posts)You have no idea how much naysaying I've gotten on it.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)How blind can people be. We've fought wars to stop leaders who would not tolerate dissent but went after Phil because he and his guests dared to ask tough questions and wouldn't march in lockstep with this madness.
To make it all even worse, they replaced Phil with a poor excuse for a human being, raving far right wing hate speech loonie Michael Savage.
Then indeed there was Tweety, drooling like a schoolgirl over Dubya and his codpiece during that fake victory landing on that aircraft carrier.
Even now it isn't all "leaning forward" on MSNBC - not with giving Scarborough the morning block. And if Tweety has apologized I haven't heard it.
Blue Idaho
(5,057 posts)The whole point of "Hubris" is an effort to counter the current GOP's re-writing of the Iraq War history. Sadly missing is any focus on M$NBC's own pro-war propaganda efforts. It difficult to remember that M$NBC in those days was only "progressive" after 8:00 pm. Prior to that it was almost as bad as FOX news. Tweety and the other unashamed apologists for this black spot in American history have blood on their hands. M$NBC's attempt to whitewash their own role in selling this war leaves many unanswered questions. Its a pity Rachel can't or won't be more honest about the "home teams" place in this international disaster.
dmr
(28,349 posts)The corporate media is complicit to the casualties, devastations and the depletion of our treasury.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)The MSM isn't doing such a good job in reckoning their own performance.
ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)Webster Green
(13,905 posts)They had interviews with Thomas Young and his wife, Phil Donahue and others.
It was an excellent show. Heartbreaking though.
young_at_heart
(3,772 posts)He was the good guy and got canned....just like Valerie Plame and others. Will justice ever come to the perpetrators of this madness?
Cha
(297,687 posts)wonder I stopped watching corporatenooze in 2002.
PHIL DONAHUE: Its amazing, really.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: the liberal network now?
PHIL DONAHUE: Yeah.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: You wonder, though, if anotherif another move to war came, how liberal it would remain
Phil Donahue was right and now msnbc has come around to his view more.. with Rachel, Rev Al, Ed, and L O'D
thanks babylonsistah
radhika
(1,008 posts)I believe MSNBC is replaying that high-rated program tomorrow night. It also omitted commenting on all the lies/omissions of media - from the NYT, to cable to networks. Whatever lies we were told by our power elites were trumpeted by mass media - with limited critical thinking, investigation or reporting.
Many online voices challenged Maddow on this omission, but I don't recall her addressing it.
malaise
(269,172 posts)Rec
gvstn
(2,805 posts)whathehell
(29,094 posts)libdude
(136 posts)Phil Donahue was shafted by MSNBC due to his presenting the real face of war. That is never a popular thing to do. Will MSNBC do a special on the failure of the media to critically question what is being sold to the people? It is fine to Lean Forward but thay does not erase the past.
Well done Phil, and may you find peace Tomas.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)on Huffpo today. He talked about his documentary, also how Tweety helped push him out of MSNBC. They showed a clip of Tweety acting like fucking Hannity and practically calling
Phil anti American
A must see
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/21/phil-donahue-chris-matthews-msnbc-firing_n_2926643.html
UTUSN
(70,742 posts)since it happened back then. Now I'll save the link.
As for Tweety's now turnaround on that and many things, in the O.P.'s link he played dumb and denied Iraq was the reason for DONAHUE's firing and by implication that he/Tweety had anything to do with it.
I saw G.E. RUSSERT do the same thing on CSPAN. A caller told him he was just as bad as Faux Propaganda Network, and his reply was, "The caller is mistaken. I do not work for (Faux), i work for NBC." The host had terminated the call, so there was no chance for puncturing the laughably obvious dodge. Do these dudes really think they're smart (not a question).
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Mkap
(223 posts)Those were the days when MSNBC was having a identity crisis and were like "let's be like fox news" so they got Joe Scarborough and they got "The Kool Aid Hour" with your host Jesse Ventura where he rambled about stupid conspiracy shit and sell tin foil hats
MSNBC was major fail back then, they've gotten better over the years though but they never should of dumped Keith Olbermann. I believe it was Olbermann's popularity that finally pushed the network to move left. Though it begs the question are they really liberals or just democratic party cheerleaders. I tend to think they are the latter
Proletariatprincess
(718 posts)Welcome to DU. But you are a new contributer and may be unaware the DU is large "D" Democratic and you must tread softly when you speak of the Party.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)When you turn Current into your US branch, consider givign this man a show...and yes, he deserves it more than Olbermann!
tavalon
(27,985 posts)The people who fired you, were at best misguided and fearful. You spoke truth to power and power removed you, but such voices are rarely silenced for good.
mtasselin
(666 posts)Mr. Donahue, please come back, get on the air somewhere maybe Current TV but somewhere. America sure could use your common sense and intelligence. Please, at least consider it.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)It was a hard slog because HP put about ten commercials in the interview...so it was stop and start and my computer started running hard.
It was a great interview...but many DU'ers could probably not watch because of the resource hog and time it took with all the commercials.
I've put the Democracy Now interview on hold for the weekend.
What struck me about the Huff Post interview was that Donahue had made a movie "Body of War" 2007 and that he hadn't been able to get much distribution for it. It's now on Netflix, Amazon and for sale at Best Buy.
Listening to the two of them brought it all back how those of us here on DU were Fact Checking and knew there were no WMD and that it was all a push. Michael Moore talking about the threats he had over his movies and how people who didn't want the invasion were shunned including the people out here who had family and friends shun them...for their views.
I remembered how many DU'ers and those on the Left threw Michael Moore "Under the Bus" after Obama was elected because he pointed out something about policy.
Very depressing to see what might have been if Donahue had been able to stay on air and how manipulated we are and how nothing has changed since Bush was in power. It's the same thing as we go into Mali (on the quiet) and Libya, South Africa, Syria and probably Iran until the whole PNAC agenda is fulfilled.
Anyway...thanks for the link to the Huff Post interview with Donahue/MM.
Uncle Joe
(58,423 posts)Thanks for the thread, babylonsister.