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babylonsister

(171,092 posts)
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 01:48 PM Mar 2013

Phil Donahue on His 2003 Firing from MSNBC...

Phil Donahue on His 2003 Firing from MSNBC, When Liberal Network Couldn’t Tolerate Antiwar Voices

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Phil Donahue, one of the best-known talk show hosts in U.S. television history, his show was on the air for more than 29 years. In 2002, he returned to the airwaves, but he was fired in 2003 on the eve of the war by MSNBC because he was allowing antiwar voices on the air. Along with Ellen Spiro, he directed the documentary, Body of War, which tells the story of Tomas Young, an Iraq War veteran paralyzed from a bullet to the spine. Now, at the age of 33, Tomas has decided to end his life.

Tomas Young, Iraq War veteran and the main subject of the documentary, Body of War. On April 4, 2004, his fifth day in Iraq, Young’s unit came under fire in the Sadr City neighborhood of Baghdad. Young was left paralyzed, never to walk again. Released from medical care three months later, Young returned home to become an active member in Iraq Veterans Against the War. He recently announced that he will stop his nourishment, which comes in the form of liquid through a feeding tube — a decision which will hasten his death.


In 2003, the legendary television host Phil Donahue was fired from his prime-time MSNBC talk show during the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. The problem was not Donahue’s ratings, but rather his views: An internal MSNBC memo warned Donahue was a "difficult public face for NBC in a time of war," providing "a home for the liberal antiwar agenda at the same time that our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity." Donahue joins us to look back on his firing 10 years later. "They were terrified of the antiwar voice," Donahue says.



This is a rush transcript. Copy may not be in its final form.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Phil, I’d like to bring in another subject in terms of this whole issue, the—what happened to you, directly, as a host on MSNBC in the midst of the run-up to the war, and the responsibilities of the press in America and its—the mea culpas that have rarely been uttered by the pundits and by the journalists over what the American press did in the run-up to war.

PHIL DONAHUE: Well, I think what happened to me, the biggest lesson, I think, is the—how corporate media shapes our opinions and our coverage. This was a decision—my decision—the decision to release me came from far above. This was not an assistant program director who decided to separate me from MSNBC. They were terrified of the antiwar voice. And that is not an overstatement. Antiwar voices were not popular. And if you’re General Electric, you certainly don’t want an antiwar voice on a cable channel that you own; Donald Rumsfeld is your biggest customer. So, by the way, I had to have two conservatives on for every liberal. I could have Richard Perle on alone, but I couldn’t have Dennis Kucinich on alone. I was considered two liberals. It really is funny almost, when you look back on how—how the management was just frozen by the antiwar voice. We were scolds. We weren’t patriotic. American people disagreed with us. And we weren’t good for business.


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Phil Donahue on His 2003 Firing from MSNBC... (Original Post) babylonsister Mar 2013 OP
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #1
"we weren't good for business" demwing Mar 2013 #2
Thanks for posting Gothmog Mar 2013 #3
The M$M is complicit in war crimes. Rex Mar 2013 #4
GE is the largest weapons systems contractor on the planet. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #5
Not only that, I worked for GE back when we were in Viet Nam. Cleita Mar 2013 #11
"And we weren't good for business." Scuba Mar 2013 #6
Here's what I saw Tweety do in real time UTUSN Mar 2013 #7
Tweety and Russert The Wizard Mar 2013 #15
Hadn't heard that dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #19
As LBJ once said The Wizard Mar 2013 #22
I just e-mailed the contents of my post to Tweety: hardball@msnbc.com n/t UTUSN Mar 2013 #26
Sorry, I took you seriously dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #28
You know..there should be conflict of interest laws in place for those who own media loudsue Mar 2013 #8
There used to be. Back when I worked for GE, they could not get into Cleita Mar 2013 #12
The media is GONE. It's one commercial for the .001%. nt valerief Mar 2013 #24
True. And they keep telling everyone....labeling themselves....."liberal" loudsue Mar 2013 #27
Absolutely!....I've spoken many times here about bringing back the Fairness Doctrine whathehell Mar 2013 #38
A Sad Chapter Missing In Rachel's "Hubris" colsohlibgal Mar 2013 #9
No Kidding! Blue Idaho Mar 2013 #18
War profiteering more important than truth and honor. dmr Mar 2013 #10
It's important we remember this story Babel_17 Mar 2013 #13
f*ckers ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #14
I listened to 'Democracy Now' this morning on the way to work. Webster Green Mar 2013 #16
They should apologize to him young_at_heart Mar 2013 #17
We were so bummed when that happened.. no Cha Mar 2013 #20
None of this was included in Rachel Maddows "Hubris" documentary.... radhika Mar 2013 #21
MUST READ malaise Mar 2013 #23
Thanks for posting-Phil was wronged because MSMBC were cowards or GE was greedy--or both! gvstn Mar 2013 #25
+10 n/t whathehell Mar 2013 #39
libdude libdude Mar 2013 #29
There was an hour long live interview with him amuse bouche Mar 2013 #30
Glad the article & vid are out there. I've been posting my homespun witness version (post #7) UTUSN Mar 2013 #31
Sadly, on many crucial topics. K&R Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #32
2003 Mkap Mar 2013 #33
Oh yeah...so right. Proletariatprincess Mar 2013 #41
Hey Al Jazeera!! DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #34
You were patriotic Mr. Donahue tavalon Mar 2013 #35
Come Back mtasselin Mar 2013 #36
Oh that darn "librul" media SHRED Mar 2013 #37
I watched the HuffPost interview with Donahue and Michael Moore that you posted earlier KoKo Mar 2013 #40
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2013 #42
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
2. "we weren't good for business"
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 02:06 PM
Mar 2013

And no one stands in the way of the business of warmongering.

And here we are again, edging toward war with a tougher opponent than any we've had since Korea.

How the hell do we stop this?

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
3. Thanks for posting
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 02:43 PM
Mar 2013

The interview is very interesting and explains why no one was able to speak out effectively against the Iraq war.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. The M$M is complicit in war crimes.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 02:46 PM
Mar 2013

If nothing else, the owners of the various brands should be held accountable for enabling a criminal enterprise in Iraq and then helping GWB steal another election in 2004.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. Not only that, I worked for GE back when we were in Viet Nam.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:46 PM
Mar 2013

I worked in the electronic sales division. I sat at a desk and took orders for electronic parts all day long. The biggest purchasers from my regional office were McDonnell/Douglas, Northrop, and Hughes Air Craft, major military contractors and several others with plants in Southern California.I don't thing things have changed and God knows how many other fingers they have in the Industrial/Military pie. Because, even back then, before they were allowed to get into the communications industry, the company was huge. They didn't just make appliances.

UTUSN

(70,742 posts)
7. Here's what I saw Tweety do in real time
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:11 PM
Mar 2013
How Tweety "Executed" DONAHUE on MSNBC. Tweety was on his book tour for another one of his "books" (large type, wide spaces between lines, blank half-pages). It was in the jingoistic hysteria in the run-up to the illegal Iraq attack. The book was about supposed "Americanism" -- an American Civ 101 ripoff about books and movies and cultural stuff that are essentially American (think, "The Great Gatsby&quot . So Phil welcomed him as a colleague and peer on Phil's show for the full hour to plug the book. From the moment he appeared, there was a strange, deadly snake look in Tweety's snake eyes. Phil was walking around the audience, apparently not sensing anything, while Tweety was motionless, following him only with his eyes. Phil brought up something or other questioning blind, kneejerk jingoism, and Tweety STRUCK! He started out with venom dripping, "You see, THIS is EXACTLY what's wrong with YOU Liberals: You are NEGATIVE about this country, you find NOTHING good about it," and on and on. It took awhile before Phil figured out what was happening. Later, Phil, devastated and spent, was sitting at the table with Tweety and, weaker and weaker, did some of his trademark shoulder shrugging and arm waving. Tweety delivered the coup de grace, "What's THIS (mimicking the movements)??!! What's with the --APE-- movements???!" Days or a week or two later, Phil's cancellation was announced and took effect.

The Wizard

(12,549 posts)
15. Tweety and Russert
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 04:32 PM
Mar 2013

were called into Welch's office and told to make Bush the president and make him look good, and they would be made rich men. They did Welch's bidding and Welch made them rich men.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
28. Sorry, I took you seriously
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 06:39 PM
Mar 2013

Could be what happened. If you had info on that I would have wanted to read it, no doubt such discussions do take place.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
8. You know..there should be conflict of interest laws in place for those who own media
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:19 PM
Mar 2013

We REALLY need to get the fairness doctrine back, too. There is WAY too much concentration of ownership /monopoly in the media.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
12. There used to be. Back when I worked for GE, they could not get into
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:47 PM
Mar 2013

the communication and entertainment business. I wish I had more information as to which Act changed all that, but it was during the Reagan era, I believe.

whathehell

(29,094 posts)
38. Absolutely!....I've spoken many times here about bringing back the Fairness Doctrine
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:32 AM
Mar 2013

You have no idea how much naysaying I've gotten on it.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
9. A Sad Chapter Missing In Rachel's "Hubris"
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:31 PM
Mar 2013

How blind can people be. We've fought wars to stop leaders who would not tolerate dissent but went after Phil because he and his guests dared to ask tough questions and wouldn't march in lockstep with this madness.

To make it all even worse, they replaced Phil with a poor excuse for a human being, raving far right wing hate speech loonie Michael Savage.

Then indeed there was Tweety, drooling like a schoolgirl over Dubya and his codpiece during that fake victory landing on that aircraft carrier.

Even now it isn't all "leaning forward" on MSNBC - not with giving Scarborough the morning block. And if Tweety has apologized I haven't heard it.

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
18. No Kidding!
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 04:55 PM
Mar 2013

The whole point of "Hubris" is an effort to counter the current GOP's re-writing of the Iraq War history. Sadly missing is any focus on M$NBC's own pro-war propaganda efforts. It difficult to remember that M$NBC in those days was only "progressive" after 8:00 pm. Prior to that it was almost as bad as FOX news. Tweety and the other unashamed apologists for this black spot in American history have blood on their hands. M$NBC's attempt to whitewash their own role in selling this war leaves many unanswered questions. Its a pity Rachel can't or won't be more honest about the "home teams" place in this international disaster.

dmr

(28,349 posts)
10. War profiteering more important than truth and honor.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:38 PM
Mar 2013

The corporate media is complicit to the casualties, devastations and the depletion of our treasury.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
13. It's important we remember this story
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:57 PM
Mar 2013

The MSM isn't doing such a good job in reckoning their own performance.

Webster Green

(13,905 posts)
16. I listened to 'Democracy Now' this morning on the way to work.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 04:40 PM
Mar 2013

They had interviews with Thomas Young and his wife, Phil Donahue and others.

It was an excellent show. Heartbreaking though.

young_at_heart

(3,772 posts)
17. They should apologize to him
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 04:52 PM
Mar 2013

He was the good guy and got canned....just like Valerie Plame and others. Will justice ever come to the perpetrators of this madness?

Cha

(297,687 posts)
20. We were so bummed when that happened.. no
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 05:04 PM
Mar 2013

wonder I stopped watching corporatenooze in 2002.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: And, Phil, the irony that MSNBC now is supposedly this liberal—

PHIL DONAHUE: It’s amazing, really.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: —the liberal network now?

PHIL DONAHUE: Yeah.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: You wonder, though, if another—if another move to war came, how liberal it would remain
.
Phil Donahue was right and now msnbc has come around to his view more.. with Rachel, Rev Al, Ed, and L O'D

thanks babylonsistah

radhika

(1,008 posts)
21. None of this was included in Rachel Maddows "Hubris" documentary....
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 05:35 PM
Mar 2013

I believe MSNBC is replaying that high-rated program tomorrow night. It also omitted commenting on all the lies/omissions of media - from the NYT, to cable to networks. Whatever lies we were told by our power elites were trumpeted by mass media - with limited critical thinking, investigation or reporting.

Many online voices challenged Maddow on this omission, but I don't recall her addressing it.

libdude

(136 posts)
29. libdude
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 08:33 PM
Mar 2013

Phil Donahue was shafted by MSNBC due to his presenting the real face of war. That is never a popular thing to do. Will MSNBC do a special on the failure of the media to critically question what is being sold to the people? It is fine to Lean Forward but thay does not erase the past.
Well done Phil, and may you find peace Tomas.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
30. There was an hour long live interview with him
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:05 PM
Mar 2013

on Huffpo today. He talked about his documentary, also how Tweety helped push him out of MSNBC. They showed a clip of Tweety acting like fucking Hannity and practically calling
Phil anti American

A must see

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/21/phil-donahue-chris-matthews-msnbc-firing_n_2926643.html

UTUSN

(70,742 posts)
31. Glad the article & vid are out there. I've been posting my homespun witness version (post #7)
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 09:25 PM
Mar 2013

since it happened back then. Now I'll save the link.

As for Tweety's now turnaround on that and many things, in the O.P.'s link he played dumb and denied Iraq was the reason for DONAHUE's firing and by implication that he/Tweety had anything to do with it.

I saw G.E. RUSSERT do the same thing on CSPAN. A caller told him he was just as bad as Faux Propaganda Network, and his reply was, "The caller is mistaken. I do not work for (Faux), i work for NBC." The host had terminated the call, so there was no chance for puncturing the laughably obvious dodge. Do these dudes really think they're smart (not a question).

Mkap

(223 posts)
33. 2003
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 10:34 PM
Mar 2013

Those were the days when MSNBC was having a identity crisis and were like "let's be like fox news" so they got Joe Scarborough and they got "The Kool Aid Hour" with your host Jesse Ventura where he rambled about stupid conspiracy shit and sell tin foil hats

MSNBC was major fail back then, they've gotten better over the years though but they never should of dumped Keith Olbermann. I believe it was Olbermann's popularity that finally pushed the network to move left. Though it begs the question are they really liberals or just democratic party cheerleaders. I tend to think they are the latter





41. Oh yeah...so right.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:45 AM
Mar 2013

Welcome to DU. But you are a new contributer and may be unaware the DU is large "D" Democratic and you must tread softly when you speak of the Party.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
34. Hey Al Jazeera!!
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:35 AM
Mar 2013

When you turn Current into your US branch, consider givign this man a show...and yes, he deserves it more than Olbermann!

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
35. You were patriotic Mr. Donahue
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 02:20 AM
Mar 2013

The people who fired you, were at best misguided and fearful. You spoke truth to power and power removed you, but such voices are rarely silenced for good.

mtasselin

(666 posts)
36. Come Back
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:07 AM
Mar 2013

Mr. Donahue, please come back, get on the air somewhere maybe Current TV but somewhere. America sure could use your common sense and intelligence. Please, at least consider it.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
40. I watched the HuffPost interview with Donahue and Michael Moore that you posted earlier
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:51 AM
Mar 2013

It was a hard slog because HP put about ten commercials in the interview...so it was stop and start and my computer started running hard.

It was a great interview...but many DU'ers could probably not watch because of the resource hog and time it took with all the commercials.

I've put the Democracy Now interview on hold for the weekend.

What struck me about the Huff Post interview was that Donahue had made a movie "Body of War" 2007 and that he hadn't been able to get much distribution for it. It's now on Netflix, Amazon and for sale at Best Buy.

Listening to the two of them brought it all back how those of us here on DU were Fact Checking and knew there were no WMD and that it was all a push. Michael Moore talking about the threats he had over his movies and how people who didn't want the invasion were shunned including the people out here who had family and friends shun them...for their views.

I remembered how many DU'ers and those on the Left threw Michael Moore "Under the Bus" after Obama was elected because he pointed out something about policy.

Very depressing to see what might have been if Donahue had been able to stay on air and how manipulated we are and how nothing has changed since Bush was in power. It's the same thing as we go into Mali (on the quiet) and Libya, South Africa, Syria and probably Iran until the whole PNAC agenda is fulfilled.

Anyway...thanks for the link to the Huff Post interview with Donahue/MM.

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