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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 11:45 PM Mar 2013

New Bill Increases Tax on E-Cigarettes

New Bill Increases Tax on E-Cigarettes
(KUTV) A Utah lawmaker is looking to make some revenue on popular “e-cigarettes” – the alternative to smoking, which has become extremely popular in Utah.

Representative Paul Ray say they are too popular, and that kids and teenagers rare getting into the act. A new bill outlaws people under the age of 19 from going into smoke shops, but more importantly, it hikes up takes on e-cigarettes. And, for the growing entrepreneurs who say e-cigarettes are a safe alternative to smoke, the bill would smoke their growing businesses.

E-cigarettes are battery powered and heat up a nicotine solution, which creates a vapor – not smoke that you can inhale.

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Jason Cornfield of Electronic Stix does not agree with Ray’s tax hike, though.

“If you raise the price of everything with an 86% tax it’s going to put prices out of reach of the normal consumer and we’d have to move states or go out of business.”

Ray, however, says the tax isn’t about money.


http://www.kutv.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_4114.shtml

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New Bill Increases Tax on E-Cigarettes (Original Post) The Straight Story Mar 2013 OP
Fuck this fucking red state! LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #1
actually in Utah it may not be about the tax revenue oldhippydude Mar 2013 #2
It's about both, would be my guess LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #3
Then they shouldn't use nicotine.. ohheckyeah Mar 2013 #4
well when in Rome do as the Romans... oldhippydude Mar 2013 #5
I wish these people would mind their own business. ohheckyeah Mar 2013 #6
e cigs poison everyone around them, just as awful second hand as the real thing nt msongs Mar 2013 #7
Huh? Where is this from? dkf Mar 2013 #8
Don't e-cigs only produce water vapor? sakabatou Mar 2013 #9
That's what I thought. dkf Mar 2013 #10
yes Bette Mar 2013 #12
Now I'm confused olddots Mar 2013 #11
Not just UT replacing tobacco settlement money aikanae Apr 2013 #13
Ideology and the democrats Alan Selk Jul 2013 #14

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
1. Fuck this fucking red state!
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 11:48 PM
Mar 2013

And every fucking legislator therein! "It's not about the money", my ass.

Time to move.

(puffs good and hard on the ol' e-cig)

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
5. well when in Rome do as the Romans...
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 12:49 AM
Mar 2013

cant talk lately but in the 60s and 70s they had Draconian liquor laws... Utah is in fact a Theocracy

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
6. I wish these people would mind their own business.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 12:54 AM
Mar 2013

There are already laws against selling products with nicotine to kids, so what is the real purpose here? You couldn't pay me to live in Utah. Virginia is bad enough.

Bette

(65 posts)
12. yes
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:36 AM
Mar 2013

It's exactly what they do - there is no nicotine, no smoke, only vapor. AND what are they thinking? They banned cigarettes everywhere just about...these kids are not smoking. so WTF? Oh, wait, I get it...they are losing revenue from cigs now so they are getting it elsewhere...but it's not about the money..honey...
God, how I hate liars!

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
11. Now I'm confused
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:33 AM
Mar 2013

you're damned if you do and damned if you don't .Okay this is invasive and going about 4 light years too far .


UTAH land of the Dinosaurs come visit for a week it'll seem like a decade .

aikanae

(202 posts)
13. Not just UT replacing tobacco settlement money
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 12:46 PM
Apr 2013

The last 2 years have seen the largest decline in cigarette sales ever - 2010-2011 experienced a 10% decline alone; a recent report from Wells Fargo (repeated by others too) stated that the e-cig market was set to out pace the sale of cigarettes in less than a decade.

Whoopee! A smoke free nation. Can you imagine the savings in public health care costs alone?

Oops. I guess were not in Disneyland anymore. What happened in the 90's was that states co-opted tobacco settlement money, then taxes, to fund public health programs like CHIP. The money didn't go toward cigarette smoking reduction programs or toward health care costs associated with smoking. Now they have to replace it.

RJRenolyds has publicly stated they have mobilized an army of lobbyists in every state to limit and tax e-cigarettes. They consider e-cigarettes unfair competition without the same regulatory overhead that they have.

BTW - RJRenolds recently bought one of the leading cig-look-a-likes, NJoy. I think Phillip Morris just purchased Blu (another look-a-like) and sometime in April, the FDA was to announce new "deeming" regulations for e-cigarettes. According to the "Family Tobacco Act" everything after 2007 would have to go through the FDA for approval - but the FDA never ever approves anything. (> 3,000 new applications pending since then, 0 approvals). Of course, written into that act is an exemption for companies that are grandfathered in, like RJR and Philip Morris.

Another government funded industry is set to become a "too big to fail" monopoly. And Democrats support this.

There is nothing in the tobacco act to protect the health of the public. The FDA is publishing misleading and junk science to get what it wants - and they don't care. The FDA is chaired by industry insiders, including execs from drug companies that are making money on tobacco cessation products (nrt's) who also see e-cigs as competition. The current level of success with NRT's is under 15% at 6 months.

Ironic isn't that the agency in charge of protecting public health is the biggest obstacle to the greatest public health advancement the US has seen in decades.

Sweden reports a 45% reduction in public health spending since using THR (tobacco harm reduction) policies like snus and e-cigs. That's not going to happen here!

This is a bill that will come to every state. That's how it works when corporations write the bills. You can trace every politician sponsoring these bills to industry funding. Democrats (which I'm one) never looked so dirty, so corrupt, so uncaring or so ignorant as they do supporting these bills.

"How stupid can a political party be" -- Frank Zappa

Alan Selk

(17 posts)
14. Ideology and the democrats
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:10 PM
Jul 2013

It is disappointing that it is the democrats who are leading the fight against tobacco harm reduction. It is always the liberals who are pushing bans on electronic cigarettes and calling for higher taxes on smokeless tobacco (contrary to common myth smokeless tobacco is about 99% less harmful then smoking).
Liberals are all for harm reduction when it comes to sex and drugs, but when it comes to tobacco ideology pushes out all rational thinking.

Sweden has the lowest smoking rate of any country in the EU, yet their tobacco use is as least as high as anywhere else. They also have the lowest tobacco related disease rate of all industrialized countries, including the US. The reason for that is because the most popular form of tobacco in Sweden is snus.

Decades of studies have shown snus to have no connection to cancer or heart disease. The life expectancy of snus users is essentially the same as non-tobacco users. Yet somehow it is always the democrats that are claiming snus is a grave threat to public health. The same thing is happening with electronic cigarettes.

The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act of 2009, overwhelmingly voted on by democrats and sighed by Obama is a perversion of good science and does nothing more then protect the statues que. It has been correctly called the Marlboro protection act of 2009 by harm reduction advocates.

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