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sir pball

(4,743 posts)
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 07:50 PM Mar 2013

Bruce Schneier - "The Internet is a surveillance state"

The Internet is a surveillance state. Whether we admit it to ourselves or not, and whether we like it or not, we're being tracked all the time. Google tracks us, both on its pages and on other pages it has access to. Facebook does the same; it even tracks non-Facebook users. Apple tracks us on our iPhones and iPads. One reporter used a tool called Collusion to track who was tracking him; 105 companies tracked his Internet use during one 36-hour period.
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Sure, we can take measures to prevent this. We can limit what we search on Google from our iPhones, and instead use computer web browsers that allow us to delete cookies. We can use an alias on Facebook. We can turn our cell phones off and spend cash. But increasingly, none of it matters.
There are simply too many ways to be tracked. The Internet, e-mail, cell phones, web browsers, social networking sites, search engines: these have become necessities, and it's fanciful to expect people to simply refuse to use them just because they don't like the spying, especially since the full extent of such spying is deliberately hidden from us and there are few alternatives being marketed by companies that don't spy.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/16/opinion/schneier-internet-surveillance/index.html

I take great pains to try and at least maintain my anonymity on here, never linked to any personally identifiable information, nor spilled very much of my personal life - but I bet somebody with a bit of curiosity and free time could probably figure out who I am. First person who can (privately) tell me who I am gets a peanut butter cookie fresh out of the oven! There's 15 minutes on the timer, I bet you can do it by then.

And of course, before the shills get here, it's not just one particular company responsible for this - Every. Single. One. Is. Doing. It.
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Bruce Schneier - "The Internet is a surveillance state" (Original Post) sir pball Mar 2013 OP
Kick - this is worth clicking through and reading. (nt) PETRUS Mar 2013 #1
And most of us really don't care. That's the truth. randome Mar 2013 #2
For me, it's more that caring is impossible sir pball Mar 2013 #3
I just installed Collusion.. sir pball Mar 2013 #4
Ah. Now we know you use Collusion. randome Mar 2013 #5
Beat you to it! sir pball Mar 2013 #7
Ghostery may be more useful IDemo Mar 2013 #12
Schneier is a good guy jsr Mar 2013 #6
Yup. Be careful out there.... K&R nt riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #8
Correct. And that's by design, the internet is not about privacy, and it never was. bemildred Mar 2013 #9
Which is why it will NEVER be entirely secure. randome Mar 2013 #10
Across the board, no, but it's OK for small-scale sir pball Mar 2013 #11
Industrial strength crypto does fine, but without it you got nothing. nt bemildred Mar 2013 #13

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
3. For me, it's more that caring is impossible
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 11:50 AM
Mar 2013

I'm not a fan of the idea, but I realize that we're past the point of no return. I try to be conscientious that it's all being tracked and only ever release information accordingly (I unfailingly reply to privacy whines on Facebook with "I don't put anything on here, anywhere, that I don't want the world to have hold of.&quot ; at least I get some crumbs in exchange for my complacency to the Almighty Google et al.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. Ah. Now we know you use Collusion.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 11:58 AM
Mar 2013

Think I'll send that bit of info over to Google. They pay a finder's fee for that kind of stuff, you know!

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
7. Beat you to it!
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:06 PM
Mar 2013

I added it from the Chrome Store while signed in, I gave them the information upfront...so HA!

bemildred

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9. Correct. And that's by design, the internet is not about privacy, and it never was.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:40 PM
Mar 2013

If you want privacy, stay away from the internet.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Which is why it will NEVER be entirely secure.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:47 PM
Mar 2013

You can't have a system that is open to the world and yet maintains privacy. Those are two diametrically opposed ideals.

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
11. Across the board, no, but it's OK for small-scale
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 01:14 PM
Mar 2013

I have no concerns with online banking, or bill pay, or such - that's a limited point-to-point situation with limited vulnerability. Trying to maintain security on a large scale, that's a different story, and I'll never go for single-sign-in or anything like that.

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