Please sign petition-tell asia to stop boiling dogs alive

[veganlush]

http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-cooking-live-animals

[Puzzledtraveller]

1. K&R

[tabasco]

2. T'is a vile culture

that tortures and consumes our greatest animal partner.

[Arugula Latte]

8. Pigs are probably as smart or smarter than dogs.

Look at the way they're treated and killed in this country in factory farms. Plenty of people signing this petition probably think nothing of eating factory-farmed bacon.

[JanMichael]

9. Yep

animals are treated horribly in this country. Agree with your post

[tabasco]

29. Let me know when pigs start leading blind people around,

save human lives on a regular basis, and work to protect people's livestock and property.

Pigs are stupid as fuck.

[Arugula Latte]

35. Wrong. They're not given opportunities to do those things because they're regarded as "livestock,"

but they are smart. Very, very smart.

[Doremus]

70. Pigs are as intelligent as dogs, perhaps more.

"Here's the dirt on pigs: They are perhaps the smartest, cleanest domestic animals known - more so than cats and dogs, according to some experts. But pigs don't have sweat glands, so they roll around in the mud to stay cool. A sign of their cleverness came from experiments in the 1990s. Pigs were trained to move a cursor on a video screen with their snouts and used the cursor to distinguish between scribbles they knew and those they were seeing for the first time. They learned the task as quickly as chimpanzees."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24628983/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.UUUz11fa6m0


So you want to justify the cruel torture and killing of some intelligent animals because you enjoy eating them, while excluding other intelligent animals because you enjoy their company. You're going to need another rationale (unless you don't care if you're the world's biggest hypocrite), because pigs are every bit as intelligent as traditional companion animals.

[limpyhobbler]

33. Was Your Meat Smarter Than Your Pet?

...Hamlet the pig is a computer wiz. He gets a reward every time he uses a joystick designed for a chimp to move a cursor into a blue area on a computer monitor. A Jack Russell terrier couldn't achieve such a task after a year of trying.

In other words, pigs are smarter than dogs.

"They're very curious, and they'll charge off on their own," said John Webster, a professor at the University of Bristol in England. "They will investigate the world with their noses down and batter through like a small boy."

New research shows that chickens can be taught to run the thermostat of the chicken coop, and that even the lowly cow has a surprising inner life.
...

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Science/story?id=771414&page=1

[pnwmom]

57. They're not boiled alive. n/t

[Arugula Latte]

68. True, but they're basically tortured before they die.

[NaturalHigh]

3. WTF is wrong with people?

[one_voice]

4. done.

[11 Bravo]

5. Which I wish to remark, And my language is plain, That for ways that are dark ...

And for tricks that are vain,
The heathen Chinee is peculiar,
Which the same I would rise to explain.

From the The Overland Monthly Magazine
by Bret Harte 1870

[Exultant Democracy]

15. +1

[HiPointDem]

6. "asia" boils dogs alive? bull. i spent some years in "asia" and never saw a dog on the menu, let

alone one being boiled.

[MattSh]

10. Dog is on the menu in S. Korea,

but I've never ever heard of this boiled alive stuff. And I spent over a year there.

On edit:

While the one picture posted on the site certainly looks like this charge is true, one picture without any backing evidence is not sufficient to prove the point.

[HiPointDem]

11. i'm not even sure about that picture. the dogs are alive (you can tell by looking at their eyes)

& apparently able to jump out of the supposed cooking pot (not chained or stunned).

i know chinese eat dogs as well, but i doubt chinese boil dogs alive either.

the poster here, however, has changed "china and korea" to "asia".

[OldDem2012]

14. If you don't believe this happens, I'd advise you not to do a Google image search...

...using "China cooking dogs alive"...you're not going to like what you see.

[HiPointDem]

21. just because something's on the internet doesn't mean it's true or real.

i've seen such pictures. in no case have i seen any picture which supported the narrative of "cooking dogs alive" that couldn't be questioned for various reasons.

Have you been to china?

Have you been to korea?


I've also seen pictures alleging koreans eat babies, or boil their skin to make medicine. People on DU believed that, too.

[OldDem2012]

25. You can lead some people to water but you can't force them to drink it....

...you're welcome to believe whatever you want to believe.

[HiPointDem]

26. you didn't answer my question. have you even been to china or korea?

i've lived in japan. japan is part of asia. they don't boil dogs alive, and they don't eat dogs.

i have friends who've lived in both korea and china for years. if live dog-boiling was a common custom, i believe they would have mentioned it.

i also frequent expat chatboards. there are lots of americans working and living in both countries. i do not see anyone describing live dog-boiling.

"asia" = 60% of the world's population. the OP made the choice to use that word rather than "china & korea," the only countries mentioned in the original.

i'll believe my own experience and the experience of people i know & trust, not random crap from the internet.

there are lots of internet petitions out there. most don't seem too terribly effective, and some are scams to collect personal information.

[OldDem2012]

32. I've been to a lot of places but I'm not going to discuss most of them on a message board...

...I sense from your most recent response you haven't been to China or Korea, although you apparently wanted me to believe that you had.

Just curious, but have any of your friends who lived in China or Korea traveled into the real backwaters, places most Americans aren't welcome, and places you won't see on tourist brochures? I'm willing to guess they haven't, and wouldn't go if they had a chance.

I also have my sources...people who went places and did things 99% of all Americans will never see or do.

Again, you're welcome to believe anything you want to believe if that makes you happy.

[HiPointDem]

44. i didn't want you to believe any such thing and never claimed to have been to china or korea. i

have, however, been to 'asia', and lived there for some time.

if you'd been to china or korea you'd have said so.

yeah, right, your friends have been to those hidden places in china and korea where they boil dogs alive. the places so special ordinary people can't visit them.

what a bunch of horsepuckey.

[life long demo]

7. OMG

No! No! No! No! No! No! As someone wrote already, WTF is wrong with people.

[ZombieHorde]

12. Perhaps we Americans should try to stop the boiling of live animals here in the US first?

I know, it's different when we do it.

[Quantess]

18. Name some examples. We animal lovers want to know.

[dsc]

22. lobsters

[Peter cotton]

31. Yes, we boil lobsters alive. So what?

All seeing a lobster being boiled does is make me want to eat more lobster.

Then again, just waking up makes me want to eat more lobster, so that's not a high bar to cross.

[datasuspect]

37. a lobster walked into olive garden

i held the door open for it.

[Peter cotton]

38. Sexis... um, speceis... er...

I give up, (insert noun of your choice)-ist!

[cherokeeprogressive]

42. Now THAT'S fuk'n funny... n/t

[Honeycombe8]

13. I can't look at that picture. I just can't. Horrible, evil people. nt

[Quantess]

16. Dear China, please stop.

Yeah right, that'll work.

[LancetChick]

19. And while you're at it, China...

Please stop skinning raccoon dogs alive.

[Quantess]

39. Marc Jacobs has coats advertised as "fake fur" that actually

are not fake fur. It's real fur, from dogs that were skinned alive in China. Thanks for reminding me, LancetChick.

Go ahead and watch a video of dogs skinned alive. I did.

[HiPointDem]

71. none of the videos posted here show such a thing. you posted videos of:

1. dogs being transported in cages to a food processing plant.

2. raccoon-dogs (which aren't dogs, but canids in the same family as dogs, foxes, jackals, etc) being electrocuted and bludgeoned, followed by a shot of one hanging from a hook skinned.

3. bodies of skinned things.


There is no purpose in skinning things alive and in fact it makes the skinning process more difficult. Which is why it's not done, even by those sub-human and inscrutable chinese and koreans.

[LancetChick]

73. You are mistaken.

There is no purpose in skinning things alive and in fact it makes the skinning process more difficult. Which is why it's not done, even by those sub-human and inscrutable chinese and koreans.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2001/jun/10/foodanddrink.features6

Ok, it's late Saturday night, and I'm not entirely sober, but I remember an interesting article from Fuschia Dunlop, a legitimate British food blogger, who lived in China and wrote about her experiences from a food perspective. Chinese cruelty to animals plays a small, but interesting part in her point of view as someone whose interest is almost entirely food-oriented, not politically, morally or culturally oriented. This is an interesting read, I think.

At first it was hard to get used to the visible cruelty of Chinese cooking. In the markets, rabbits would be skinned alive for maximum freshness, live paddy eels impaled on a nail and stripped of spine and innards, chickens and ducks plucked when they were scarcely dead. Chinese cooks would prepare living ingredients as if they were vegetables, with no thought of any pain or suffering. Interestingly, the Chinese word for animal, dong wu, simply means 'moving thing'; it seems to carry no connotations of breath or spirit like the English 'animal' and its European relations. Some of this cruelty still disturbs me, but at least it's honest: and much less hypocritical than the cruelty of the British food industry where consumers buy their meat safe and sanitised while the animals languish in battery pens.

Some of the cooking ingredients were alive when they reached us, and killing them was part of the deal. I was a bit horrified when I saw a classmate busily ripping the gills out of live crucian carp before he gutted them. 'Why don't you kill them first?' I asked. He shrugged his shoulders and looked at me as if I was a bit weird. 'They don't have a soul,' he said.

I remember watching a Japanese Iron Chef show in which eels were featured. Wow. I saw them nailed to the counter, cut, and placed, wriggling vigorously, under the broiler. Cruelty exists wherever nature does, and is exemplified where humanity exists. In American and European cultures it's kept under wraps, to a great extent, but it's open in some Asian cultures. And that blinds people to its effect. (Yes, so does hiding it, I'm adding in an edit).

[HiPointDem]

74. tell me the procedure used in skinning a rabbit alive and i will tell you why "skinning alive"

is misleading.

yes, human cruelty abounds, but i'm not talking about human cruelty, i'm talking about boiling and skinning live dogs.

[LancetChick]

76. Here you go.

I didn't take the time to post just the video, so you'll have to find it before you click on it. It has all the bells and whistles, including struggling while the skin is cut off, and raw red bones. I believe this is a raccoon "dog". I couldn't watch the whole thing. I won't ever watch another video of animal torture again.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/291483

[kattycat]

17. Yikes

humans are fucked up

[BainsBane]

20. Asia is a continent

not a country.

[ruffburr]

23. Done

[alphafemale]

24. And signing a petition has stopped anything like this.....When?

oh my goodness!!!!!

There's so many sigs on that facebook page!

I'm not going to boil this dog. I ate my last bowl of sharkfin soup.

I will not buy that ivory sculpture.

My flaccid penis will not get tiger penis supplements.

Yeah. Believe that.

[Nika]

27. Signed.

[dorkulon]

28. Obviously, it's a crime to treat (furry, cute) animals this way! Ugly animals can go to hell, though

Quoth the entire Western animal rights movement.

[tabasco]

30. Furry, cute animals that save human life on a regular basis,

work to protect livestock and property, assist blind and handicapped persons and lift people from depression with their unconditional love.

Sure, dogs are just like other animals.

[dorkulon]

34. Dogs are great.

But they're no smarter or more precious than pigs.

I'll say it again.

People eating dogs is no worse than people eating pigs.

[Arugula Latte]

36. These piglets are cuter than most puppies.

[pnwmom]

59. Which ugly mammals do we boil alive?

[Bonobo]

40. "asia".

LOL, Amurikans are funny...a'cause their stoopid!

[Quantess]

41. Well that's nice if you want to focus on that part

the easy part

and disregard the truth that dogs and cats are skinned alive for their fur in china.

[Bonobo]

43. Are they?

They should be killed first in my opinion.

But it doesn't hold a candle to blowing humans up alive -something the US does every single week, multiple times, for the last decade.

Where is the outrage?

[Quantess]

47. Ask and receive:

[Quantess]

51. Only the best video for you, Bonobo

[Bonobo]

52. Jeez, thanks.

Very nasty, very gross, very cruel.

[HiPointDem]

46. they're skinned alive? makes it kind of difficult to skin them, doesn't it? and no advantage to

doing so.

where is this place where cats and dogs are skinned alive for their fur?

do they sell the garments made from the fur in stores?

or are we talking about 'deliverance' type chinese living up in the far mountain ranges where only very very special people like the other poster's friends can go? skinning live cats and dogs to make their rustic garments?

this thread stinks of racism and stupidity.

[Quantess]

48. You're welcome.

[HiPointDem]

54. this is the same video as the other. i repeat, no pictures or video of dogs being skinned or

boiled alive here.

the picture on the still does not show a dog being skinned alive, it shows a skinned dog.

not the same thing, you know.

i looked at the other video that you posted to bonobo.

1. no dogs in the video.

2. the animals in that video, which appear to be raccoons and "raccoon dogs" (which aren't dogs) are electrocuted and/or bludgeoned before skinning; they aren't skinned or boiled alive.

there is no advantage to boiling mammals alive or skinning them alive, and some disadvantage. that's why people don't do it. the intent of the electrocution/bludgeoning is to kill or stun. it may not always be 100% effective, but there's no intent to skin alive.

it's the same way we did & do in the US with meat animals and leather/fur.

only people who believed chinese are more cruel than other people would believe such things.

[Quantess]

50. This one is the best. Enjoy!

[HiPointDem]

53. didn't see any dogs being skinned alive or boiled alive. just a truck of dogs bound for a food

processing plant.

[Recursion]

45. Where the fuck do Americans get off complaining about the inhumanity of other places' agriculture

and husbandry?

Seriously?

This would be like Saudi citizens signing a petition on the rights of women in the US.

[Quantess]

55. you haven't seen it yet?

[Recursion]

56. Have you seen what we do to pigs and cows?

Don't even get me started on chickens.

[pnwmom]

61. We don't boil them alive. n/t

[Quantess]

63. Is this a lecture on "cutetarians"?

Most of us have heard it all before.

What do you think of skinning creatures alive for their fur? Great, huh.

[Recursion]

64. Me? I mostly eat what I hunt

I'd guess about 20% of my animal protein comes from animals I didn't hunt. But I'm a weird foodie hipster.

[Quantess]

65. I think hunters have integrity.

That was not my point at all.

I asked directly, what do you think of dogs and cats and raccoons being skinned alive for their fur? This happens in China, so that we in the western world can wear it on our clothes.

[pnwmom]

60. Which mammals do we boil alive? n/t

[HiPointDem]

72. chinese and koreans don't boil dogs alive either. think about it for awhile and maybe you can

figure out why that's the case.

[snooper2]

49. I guess if we gave them our guns it would be like two birds with

one...bullet?

[Liberal_in_LA]

58. done

[Shankapotomus]

66. Signed

Humans are sick.

[Shankapotomus]

67. Back to the top N/T

[cherokeeprogressive]

69. If I've told Asia once, I've told it a hundred times: "Asia, you gotta stop doing that!" n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

75. Good God! Too horrific for words...

Signed.