I Guess If A Woman Wants To Control Her Family Size - Celibacy Or Abstinence Will Be The Only Way

[TheMastersNemesis]

if the GOP gets its way.

[hlthe2b]

1. There are those among the RW, that believe it fine for a man to rape his wife/girlfriend...

So, this would appear to be ineffectual as well. Some among the far RW believe women to be no more than chattel. And, this is why those on the left simply must rally behind the women of the world.

[JanMichael]

5. When we try

we are chatised for being intolerant of institutions that people belong to. The disconnect is mind boggling.

The right is not going to change; individuals are going to have lose respect for the power structure for anything to change significantly-- in this country, and others.

[hlthe2b]

6. No.. not true at all. Some here like to broad stroke blame

those who share a religious belief (but denounce and DO not follow the policies and "teachings" pushed by the hierarchy)--- and are contemptuous of the efforts to try to change from within.

Those who do so should hold a mirror at themselves, because the very political party to which they adhere is not dissimilar in having had many very unpleasant or even abhorrent past policies and doctrines--and which HAVE been changed from WITHIN. As Democrats, that includes everyone here--myself included.

Even if one does not realize the inequity of this broad stroke blaming behavior, to denounce those who share nearly all our common views, simply because one does not share their religious views and because one DEMANDS a convenient SCAPEGOAT for all that is wrong with the many religions of the world, is STRATEGICALLY wrong. WE NEED these allies. And, not only on DU.

I am not at all religious, but I DO believe in tolerance and in the immorality of fighting bigotry with more overt bigotry. THAT is a very basic progressive tenet--at least to me. Hold those who push the biased or bigoted or otherwise incredibly damaging tenets of a given religion to task--hold the hierarchies to task, but derision and denunciation of those trying to change those tenets is simply wrong and damned ugly.

**On edit, this is in reply to the outside discussion the poster has brought in from another thread in response to me. Thus, if it sounds off tangent to this particular discussion, it very largely is***

[MadrasT]

2. If the GOP gets its way, women become breeding stock...

...to have children whenever men decide they should.

Celibacy or abstinence wouldn't even be a choice.

[Buzz Clik]

4. Your post is the kind that becomes the poster child for the right as an example...

... of the rank insanity at DU.

You might reel it in a bit.

[Skidmore]

12. When the value of a woman is linked to her ability to produce children

and to further the ambitions and egos of men, they are chattels and breeding stock. Sometimes hyperbole is not hyperbole. Unless you are woman confronted with reproductive choicess, I take your chastisements with a grain of salt and as an endorsement of those right wing sensibilities you are concerned about offending. I have no such concerns.

[MadrasT]

16. No. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

17. Ok. I post on another board....

I like to talk about some of the insanity here at DU. I will use your post as the perfect example.

I'll come back later and tell you how it goes.

[Buzz Clik]

3. The majority in the GOP doesn't like abortion, but are they against all forms of birth control, too?

I don't think so.

[fizzgig]

7. they're not against all birth contol, no

but there's a faction against anything that prevents a fertilized egg from implantation, which includes iuds and some types of oral contraceptives. they are also against employers having to have insurance plans that cover birth control, decreasing access to contraceptives. and against proper sex education, which increases the teen pregnancy rate. and funding for planned parenthood, which provides women with not only important health care, but also low-cost birth control.

from my point of view, i see a party that wants to limit my access to contraception as much as possible and they will have to pry my iud out of my cold, dead uterus.

[Buzz Clik]

8. I think that's the extreme view, but...

... they do want to limit contraception options. No doubt.

[fizzgig]

10. i don't know how extreme it is anymore

personhood amendments/bills go after any birth control that can be considered an abortifacient, the north dakota sentate just passed such a bill.

ten states have defunded planned parenthood and texas is now realizing how bad an idea that was.

limiting access to contraception is an attempt to control reproductive freedom.

[forestpath]

11. +1

[Skidmore]

13. This ^^^^^^^^

[marions ghost]

15. Agree

the efforts to limit reproductive rights will backfire badly.

[pokerfan]

9. H. L. Mencken said it best

[center]It is now quite lawful for a Catholic woman to avoid pregnancy by a resort to mathematics, though she is still forbidden to resort to physics or chemistry.[/center]

[LadyHawkAZ]

14. Yes, that's the idea

Orwell had it right- clamp down on sexual expression and advocate sex as only a breeding tool, and you've got the ultimate in control of the masses. Not to mention a plentiful supply of masses.

[BainsBane]

18. The GOP wants women to have NO control

over families and their own bodies. That's the point.

[Cleita]

19. Or the Catholic way.

Some of the younger women at the gym asked me about the new Pope and birth control, if he would change the Church's view about it. I told them that Catholics always had birth control. What they did was have one, two, three, maybe four kids. Then the wife would develop some kind of female problems that would demand a hysterectomy. Or, if she really didn't want to go that route, hubby would get a vasectomy, then he would go to confession, be forgiven and it was all done.