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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:25 PM Feb 2012

With Its Deadly Drones, the US is Fighting a Coward's War

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/31-1

The ancient Greeks, unlike the Jews or the Christians, invested their gods with human failings. Divine judgment, they believed, was neither flawless nor dispassionate; it was warped by lust, vengeance and self-interest. In the hands of Zeus, the thunderbolt was both an instrument of justice and a weapon of jealousy and revenge.

Those now dispensing judgment from on high are not gods, though they must feel like it. The people striking mortals down with drones are doubtless as capable as anyone else of self-deception, denial and cognitive illusions. More so, perhaps, as the eminent fictions of the Bush years and the growing delusions of the current president suggest.

Barack Obama began last week's state of the union address by claiming that the troops who had fought the Iraq war had "made the United States safer and more respected around the world". Like Bush, like the gods, he has begun to create the world he wants to inhabit.

These power-damaged people have been granted the chance to fulfill one of humankind's abiding fantasies: to vaporize their enemies, as if with a curse or a prayer, effortlessly and from a safe distance. That these powers are already being abused is suggested by the mendacity of those who are deploying them. The CIA, which is running the undeclared and unacknowledged drone war in Pakistan, insists that there have been no recent civilian casualties. So does Obama's chief counter-terrorism adviser, John Brennan. It is a blatant whitewash.
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With Its Deadly Drones, the US is Fighting a Coward's War (Original Post) xchrom Feb 2012 OP
When you can kill innocent civilians in the middle east while rustydog Feb 2012 #1
So war itself isn't the issue surfdog Feb 2012 #2
i think the whole development -- and useage of the drones presents issues xchrom Feb 2012 #3
Yeah, too effortlessly. Life Long Dem Feb 2012 #13
Yup why not go back to civil war maneuvers...no need to change anything, use the old ways! Sheepshank Feb 2012 #20
Nuremburg: following orders is not a defense against war crimes like murder by drone nt msongs Feb 2012 #4
So invade already,it's much more braver. Swede Feb 2012 #5
The premise of this piece is illogical Zebedeo Feb 2012 #6
Drones are the future of air warfare. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #11
that word is in the headline, but it's not the premise of the article Enrique Feb 2012 #16
It's equally cowardly to send our troops to fight a war for profit Capitalocracy Feb 2012 #7
Uh oh gratuitous Feb 2012 #8
I don't think I would use .. 99Forever Feb 2012 #9
I wish we'd go back to swords. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #10
What crap Lurks Often Feb 2012 #12
Agreed, and it's been a long while since "they" were at any risk Spike89 Feb 2012 #19
Wars are not like a grade school playground. Playing "fair" is not expected. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #14
It's been a cowards "war" from the start raouldukelives Feb 2012 #15
rec, thanks for posting Enrique Feb 2012 #17
+1 xchrom Feb 2012 #18
this same argument dates back to the long bow Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #21
Better a live coward unionworks Feb 2012 #22

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
1. When you can kill innocent civilians in the middle east while
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:29 PM
Feb 2012

remotely operating a missile-firing plane from an office near the Pentagon, yes, you are fighting a coward's war.
You are trying to remove the human element of killing human beings. For profit I may add.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
3. i think the whole development -- and useage of the drones presents issues
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:42 PM
Feb 2012

besides what ever war they might be used in.

that's what i took away.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
20. Yup why not go back to civil war maneuvers...no need to change anything, use the old ways!
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:24 PM
Feb 2012

Line up the warriors/soldiers, one row kneeling, one row standing. They should wait until the enemy is close enough to see the whites of their eyes, and just shoot..... without taking any namby pamby cover. Let 'em all fall like flies. That's how non-cowards wage a war. Better still lets forget about firearms and projectiles...the real men would use swords,clubs, spears and maces and engage in hand to hand combat. Of course human casualty would be immense, and the need to conscript boys would come into effect...but there would be no cowards tolerated (do I need the sarcasm smilie?)








 

Zebedeo

(2,322 posts)
6. The premise of this piece is illogical
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:29 PM
Feb 2012

The idea that one must be a "coward" to use remote controlled drones is nonsensical. Would it be acceptable to the author if the drone operators at Langley played Russian roulette after every mission? That way, they would be putting their lives at risk, which seems to be what the author wants.

Why would the U.S. want to put the lives of its people at risk? Why risk a fighter pilot being shot down and captured and held on display and tortured before having his head sawed off by the enemy?

I say build more and better drones, and gradually have them replace manned aircraft to the maximum extent possible.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
11. Drones are the future of air warfare.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:46 PM
Feb 2012

The F-35 is most likely the last manned fighter the US will ever build. Given probable future technology, there's simply no reason to risk our pilots.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
16. that word is in the headline, but it's not the premise of the article
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:07 PM
Feb 2012

the word "coward" only appears way down in the article, in passing.

Capitalocracy

(4,307 posts)
7. It's equally cowardly to send our troops to fight a war for profit
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:34 PM
Feb 2012

while you sit in an office with bulletproof windows guarded by the Secret Service.

They don't do it because they're any more or less cowards, they do it because it's "clean". A dead soldier has a family who might not appreciate their son or daughter being killed or at least might want to know it was for a good cause. Drones largely pass under the radar, both in the air and in the minds of the people.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. Uh oh
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:38 PM
Feb 2012

Saying that the troops fighting the Iraq War had made the United States safer and more respected isn't exactly what the President said! You're just asking for a lot of obfuscatory trouble from certain quarters, even though there's no difference in the distinction.

And yeah, the drone missile strikes is just making the U.S. less safe and less respected around the world. Those blanket reprisals and non-specific attacks that don't give a rip about safeguarding civilians are against our own laws, and perhaps more than that, a sin. There will be a price paid, despite the efficiency.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
9. I don't think I would use ..
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:38 PM
Feb 2012

.. that particular term, but there is indeed something unsettling about waging war without actually having any "skin in the game," especially when so many innocents are being killed in the process. I also wonder what we as a people would bethinking and saying if another nation was staging unmanned drone attacks, killing many civilians and destroying hundreds of millions in private property within the USA.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
12. What crap
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:47 PM
Feb 2012

Using a drone is no different then a pilot dropping a laser guided bomb from 10,000 feet, artillery sending rockets or artillery shells from 15 miles away or launching a cruise missile from 1000 miles away.

Spike89

(1,569 posts)
19. Agreed, and it's been a long while since "they" were at any risk
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:23 PM
Feb 2012

The notion that there must be "skin in the game" is beyond absurd. It hasn't been true that the leaders (both political and milatary) were directly at risk for hundreds of years. The guys calling the shots generally aren't even in the country where the fighting is, much less the battlefield, or anywhere near the actual fighting. Geez, it is even pretty rare for the leaders to have family at risk.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
15. It's been a cowards "war" from the start
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:04 PM
Feb 2012

We had to call it a war otherwise it would have just been a global police action of finding the people responsible and bringing them to justice which wouldn't look as favorably upon indiscriminate killing of civilians.
The essence of the war was never justice it was profit. But we all knew that already. Secure the resources, use up the old weapons, justify a bloated military budget for the profit of military contractors and shareholders etc. Can't do all that and worry about a few poor children losing limbs & families.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
17. rec, thanks for posting
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:09 PM
Feb 2012

the article raises issues that are NEVER discussed in the mainstream here. How many debates have we had, have our drone wars ever come up?

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
21. this same argument dates back to the long bow
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:28 PM
Feb 2012

every time one side develops a longer range than the other the ones with the disadvantage fall back to the same old thing



get over it


having American pilots risk their lives to do the same thing isn't going to help
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