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(85,998 posts)
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 09:03 AM Mar 2013

Gentlemen, I Believe I Have Ascertained The Empirical Flaw In Your Minority Outreach Extravaganza

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Balloon Juice | Gentlemen, I Believe I Have Ascertained The Empirical Flaw In Your Minority Outreach Extravaganza http://flip.it/TvFWY #p2 (Zandar)


“Well Zandar,” The Universe said. “As a black man active in politics and punditry, why do you believe that the GOP efforts to include more black voters has largely been ineffective?”

“I’m not sure,” I replied. “It may have something to do with nonsense such as this.”



A panel at the Conservative Political Action Committee on Republican minority outreach exploded into controversy on Friday afternoon, after an audience member defended slavery as good for African-Americans.

The exchange occurred after an audience member from North Carolina, 30-year-old Scott Terry, asked whether Republicans could endorse races remaining separate but equal. After the presenter, K. Carl Smith of Frederick Douglass Republicans, answered by referencing a letter by Frederick Douglass forgiving his former master, the audience member said “For what? For feeding him and housing him?” Several people in the audience cheered and applauded Terry’s outburst.

After the exchange, Terry muttered under his breath, “why can’t we just have segregation?” noting the Constitution’s protections for freedom of association.


Well Higgs my bosons!” The Universe stammered, clearly taken aback. “You seem to have a rather valid point there.”

And with that, The Universe slouched off, dejected. I felt badly about the whole affair, but then I remembered that I have food and housing and I’m only metaphorically shackled and beaten for it on a daily basis.


read: http://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/03/15/gentlemen-i-believe-i-have-ascertained-the-empirical-flaw-in-your-minority-outreach-extravaganza/

related:

tweeted by, Ta-Nehisi Coates ?@tanehisi
CPAC defense of slavery at diversity panel, then The National Review runs a piece on black shoe shine dude. http://bit.ly/Zw0NXv
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Gentlemen, I Believe I Have Ascertained The Empirical Flaw In Your Minority Outreach Extravaganza (Original Post) bigtree Mar 2013 OP
"My people?" Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #1
It's sads when cousins marry. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #14
GOP philosophy: "I love (name the minority): everybody should own a few." Zorra Mar 2013 #2
Words fail me. Arkansas Granny Mar 2013 #3
Republicans are morphing into Totalitarian TeaBaggers Berlum Mar 2013 #4
It could easily have been a set-up prank. Even if not, the guy hardly deserves the attention. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #34
Isn't it best bigtree Mar 2013 #37
The cheering too? At a liberal gathering he'd have been loudly booed. Scuba Mar 2013 #40
The "guy" is a very real person who is tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center, bluestate10 Mar 2013 #50
I am willing to bet that the Koch brothers rosesaylavee Mar 2013 #5
Proof that the tea party/conservatives are racists and approve of this mess SemperEadem Mar 2013 #6
Proof that the tea party/conservatives are racists and approve of this mess AlbertCat Mar 2013 #23
true dat... SemperEadem Mar 2013 #46
Scott Terry should get an award for telling the truth. baldguy Mar 2013 #7
Check out the related link about the shoe-shine guy... JHB Mar 2013 #8
Isn't that sweet! He's 65-70-75-whatever years old, but that entrepreneurial drive hasn't faltered! hatrack Mar 2013 #17
black republicans; gay republicans Doctor_J Mar 2013 #9
Hispanic Republicans, Asian-Americans Republicans, female Republicans... Rozlee Mar 2013 #31
I know a lot of them actually think that way UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #10
I know a lot of republicans. Most of them think and talk that way. Who might have "planted" him? AlinPA Mar 2013 #16
Agreed. timdog44 Mar 2013 #35
No plants, just manure n/t JHB Mar 2013 #36
They cheered. He wasn't booed, contradicted or called "a bit extreme". He was cheered. Scuba Mar 2013 #41
Oh I'm sure he's their hero. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #45
for a second I thought it was my nephew. all those redneck racists look alike. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #11
Well, at least a lot of people in that room were affended by this ass holes' WCGreen Mar 2013 #12
Yes--did you see the appalled look of WTF on the face tblue37 Mar 2013 #44
Actual letter from Frederick Douglass, which he published in the newspaper he founded Bibliovore Mar 2013 #13
Thanks.! DebJ Mar 2013 #18
A great read treestar Mar 2013 #20
Also,in Douglass' day, the Republicans were the liberal/left party. JHB Mar 2013 #22
A wonderful letter. drm604 Mar 2013 #39
Also "my demographic" meaning "us white young males." They didn't invite Chris Christie but they yellowcanine Mar 2013 #15
His demographic is narrower than that... JHB Mar 2013 #19
30 years old... AlbertCat Mar 2013 #21
Feels good, chervilant Mar 2013 #24
The slave masters gave the slave free food and shelter?.....Who gave the slave masters....... W T F Mar 2013 #25
The masters did it themselves, just the way they do now. caseymoz Mar 2013 #32
Every decade, Republicans insult African Americans caseymoz Mar 2013 #26
If this is the modern Republican Conservatism, then it's done. Yavin4 Mar 2013 #27
I can only know angrychair Mar 2013 #28
Let us supply this young ignoramous with a quote from another prominent 19th Century 1monster Mar 2013 #29
Wow. pinto Mar 2013 #30
Many Slave Owners modrepub Mar 2013 #33
Let's just call it KKKPAC. drm604 Mar 2013 #38
America will be a better place when my generation is gone. Scuba Mar 2013 #42
He is younger tan either you or me nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #49
Wow! napkinz Mar 2013 #43
Disgusting. Iris Mar 2013 #47
My people are getting disenfranchised nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #48
Wow. Wow! shenmue Mar 2013 #51

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
1. "My people?"
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 09:08 AM
Mar 2013

Oh goddess. :shakeshead: And here I was hoping the "my people" klan would just eventually die off but here's a 30-year-old saying this shit.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
2. GOP philosophy: "I love (name the minority): everybody should own a few."
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 09:30 AM
Mar 2013

Thanks. Spreading tidbits like this like this is going to help us trounce the GOP in 2016, and help us make some gains in 2014.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
4. Republicans are morphing into Totalitarian TeaBaggers
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 09:39 AM
Mar 2013

The rot at the core of the Republican soul is oozing its vile pustulent slime to the surface.

What Would Jesus Do? The Real Jesus would blow chunks to see how Republicans have occultly distorted His Sacred Image and Holy Message into their own deranged mind*ckery campaigns of fear and hate and guns and totalitarian control of the human soul.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
37. Isn't it best
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 12:33 PM
Mar 2013
Jeet Heer ?@HeerJeet

@joshtpm Isn't it best to see all of CPAC as a giant and brilliant liberal false flag operation?
Retweeted by Josh Marshall

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
50. The "guy" is a very real person who is tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center,
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 08:25 PM
Mar 2013

when that group is on your ass, you have a real race hatred problem or hatred of Jewish people problem.

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
5. I am willing to bet that the Koch brothers
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 09:59 AM
Mar 2013

are heavily funding this 'Frederick Douglas' Republican character. Apparently, it's mainly this one guy, K. Carl Smith, who is available for events. Here's his page rewriting and twisting history facts: http://frederickdouglassrepublican.com/did-you-know/

Fool.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
6. Proof that the tea party/conservatives are racists and approve of this mess
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:06 AM
Mar 2013

now that this idiot has had his 15 minutes of fame, I wonder what is hiding in his past that will now be combed through by the media? Like outstanding warrants for arrest and the like.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
23. Proof that the tea party/conservatives are racists and approve of this mess
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:32 AM
Mar 2013

You mean:

MORE proof that the tea party/conservatives are racists and approve of this mess.

You don't have to go all the way to "slavery was good for blacks." to see it blatantly displayed.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
7. Scott Terry should get an award for telling the truth.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:09 AM
Mar 2013

Everyone else at CPAC has the same views, but the GOP leadership is thinking of ways to repackage them and cover them up to make them palatable to the mainstream.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
8. Check out the related link about the shoe-shine guy...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:16 AM
Mar 2013
Dino Wright, manager and owner of the shoe-shine booth, has worked at the hotel since it opened five years ago.

CPAC and events like it boost business for Wright. He says he thinks it’s because he “provides a very important service to this very image-conscious group.”

Wright began shining shoes after the airline he once worked for defaulted on its pension obligations, driving him to find a source of income in retirement.

“I was able to create a pension for myself by creating an entrepreneurial activity,” Wright says. He noticed that fewer people were entering the shoe-shining profession, and “I saw that as an entrepreneurial opportunity” – an ethic that sits well with the CPAC crowd.
(emphasis mine -- JHB)
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/343101/putting-shine-cpac-jillian-kay-melchior
via
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/03/15/an-african-american-cpac-can-embrace/

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
17. Isn't that sweet! He's 65-70-75-whatever years old, but that entrepreneurial drive hasn't faltered!
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:55 AM
Mar 2013

IOW, he'll work until he dies because he got fucked by the corporation he once worked for.

Ain't that America, for you and me?

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
31. Hispanic Republicans, Asian-Americans Republicans, female Republicans...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:50 AM
Mar 2013

...keep laughing and crying.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
16. I know a lot of republicans. Most of them think and talk that way. Who might have "planted" him?
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:51 AM
Mar 2013

He is mainstream republican and given the fact that the room was entirely white people, it seems the moderator was the one that was "planted".

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
35. Agreed.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 12:17 PM
Mar 2013

K Carl was the plant. Allen West and Clarence Thomas are also plants. The repug way to say "see, we are not racists".

My brother who claims to be an independent, and having voted for Ds once in awhile, says about Allen West "now there is guy I can support" in the same tone people say "I have a black friend".

The whole ordeal was outrageous. I think the astonishment shown by some of the people was that someone would actually say what they all were thinking.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
45. Oh I'm sure he's their hero.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:32 PM
Mar 2013

I was just saying it could have been someone going for their 15 minutes of fame. ...Or maybe it was one of them telling the truth about what he "thinks".

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
12. Well, at least a lot of people in that room were affended by this ass holes'
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:30 AM
Mar 2013

statement about the slaves having free room and board...

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
44. Yes--did you see the appalled look of WTF on the face
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:31 PM
Mar 2013

of the young dark-haired woman on the left of the screen whose mouth was hanging open in disbelief the whole time?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. A great read
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:29 AM
Mar 2013

Also evidence against the claim slaves were cared for in their old age, another one made by these racist right wingers.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
22. Also,in Douglass' day, the Republicans were the liberal/left party.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:30 AM
Mar 2013

He definitely would not be welcome at CPAC.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
15. Also "my demographic" meaning "us white young males." They didn't invite Chris Christie but they
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:46 AM
Mar 2013

let this CSA wannabe guy come in?

JHB

(37,161 posts)
19. His demographic is narrower than that...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:27 AM
Mar 2013

...one that romanticizes white garments, and I don't mean spats.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
21. 30 years old...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:30 AM
Mar 2013

What does he know about "separate but equal"? He was born in 1983! Like that "worked" or did anything useful.

What a maroon.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
24. Feels good,
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:33 AM
Mar 2013

doesn't it? To deride those among us whose lives are marred by various manifestations of racism, an ism many of us diligently deny. And, it becomes a handy rationale for climbing aboard the Verbal Abuse Train (we've all ridden this train -- try not to live in denial...).

So, speaking of my own tendency to indulge in snarks and thinly veiled sarcasm, I've only recently begun to examine this slippery slope that often catapults its denizens into that yawning abyss of verbal bullying. (It's especially apparent in threads about rapists, wherein many gleefully wish upon such damaged humans a 'taste of their own medicine' inside whichever prison they'll eventually inhabit.)

Why not use Satyagraha? Why not put our energy into writing this pitiable racist (envision thousands of such missives) to gently and diplomatically acknowledge their 'ism wound' and recommend various educational resources (Eyes on the Prize, Four Little Girls, etc)?

By example, we can eliminate verbal bullying, and help our children love and support one another, regardless of personal isms.

W T F

(1,147 posts)
25. The slave masters gave the slave free food and shelter?.....Who gave the slave masters.......
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:34 AM
Mar 2013

food and shelter?

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
32. The masters did it themselves, just the way they do now.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:52 AM
Mar 2013

And it's through the accidental kindness of their self-interested hearts that they generously fed and sheltered those misguided, ethnically underprivileged slaves.

(for those who don't know.)

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
26. Every decade, Republicans insult African Americans
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:39 AM
Mar 2013

In the 2000s, the insult was Katrina. Always, Republicans don't comprehend what the insult could have possibly been, they always attribute it to a minor side effect of some higher principle (like Freedom of Association), they always they maintain that racism is dead, and say the very fact that anybody would be insulted shows that some people are trying to revive racism. Which is dead. It's insane enough to be considered a psychiatric disorder.

This has happened since Herbert Hoover with the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 (like Katrina, but hundreds of times worse) alienated the Black vote from the Republicans-- forever. And if African Americans ever begin to think of today's Republicans as the Party that ended slavery, the Republicans always remember to insult them every decade.

If you wonder why Repubs can't appeal minorities, it's because as soon as they do, they'll alienate Whites like the ones covered in that video, who have their principles to defend.

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
27. If this is the modern Republican Conservatism, then it's done.
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:41 AM
Mar 2013

Sure. In any given presidential election cycle, the Republicans could nominate someone with enough charisma to overcome their out and proud racism and bigotry and win an election.

However, conservatism is becoming more and more about White nationalism, and that is a losing strategy.

angrychair

(8,702 posts)
28. I can only know
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:45 AM
Mar 2013

People based on there words and actions. Given that, in all my daily interactions with coworkers and many family members, over many years, there is very little doubt that to throw in your lot with the gOP defines who you are and where you stand on the issues as much as being a liberal defines who I am. If you stand with the gOP you are defining yourself as a racist and a misogynist.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
29. Let us supply this young ignoramous with a quote from another prominent 19th Century
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:45 AM
Mar 2013

figure:

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."


Because he left no doubt at all about his foolihsness or his racism.

modrepub

(3,496 posts)
33. Many Slave Owners
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:57 AM
Mar 2013

felt similarly after emancipation. They felt that they had provided for all of their slaves and they would therefore gladly stay where they were and work for their new masters albeit under different circumstances. Surprisingly many slaves just up and left not for any particular reason other then for the first time in their lives they could freely go where they pleased.

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