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Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:15 PM Mar 2013

Will Pope Francis change the Church for the better? The acid test:

Does he release the 300+ page "secret" report detailing corruption, blackmail, and the existence of a "Velvet Mafia" at the Vatican?

If he does, and releases it with little or no redaction, then this signals that Francis is serious about cleaning up the Church.

If he doesn't, or issues a heavily redacted version, then he is signaling business as usual in Rome.



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Will Pope Francis change the Church for the better? The acid test: (Original Post) Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 OP
My money is on "business as usual." Bake Mar 2013 #1
Old guard. ananda Mar 2013 #3
But, to his credit, Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #7
It would be nice if he makes positive changes yet if he goes to far who knows he might southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #2
Yes, I have read the theories Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #8
Yes, it will go far and I am sure if that happens many will come back to the church. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #11
No way it gets released n2doc Mar 2013 #4
And I am inclined to agree Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #9
The last thing the Church wants to do is change Rider3 Mar 2013 #5
Again, that report is they key indicator Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #6
A Rogue Pope would be awesome. n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #10

ananda

(28,865 posts)
3. Old guard.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:21 PM
Mar 2013

More of the same: anti-gay, anti-woman, anti peace activism, anti =-intellectual liberal clerics and nuns.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
7. But, to his credit,
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:20 PM
Mar 2013

he does seem to care about the poor, and he is not into the glamor of the Church.

I always give people their due.

All of your other criticisms are true enough. But, if he at least cleans house and genuinely moves toward transparency/accountability, then that is a tiny bit of progress.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
2. It would be nice if he makes positive changes yet if he goes to far who knows he might
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:20 PM
Mar 2013

die of an unknown illness he got all of a sudden. Remember John Paul the first who wanted to make changes for the better but somehow he died.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
8. Yes, I have read the theories
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:21 PM
Mar 2013

Certainly a curious circumstance. That is why publishing the report and coming clean is important.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
11. Yes, it will go far and I am sure if that happens many will come back to the church.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 03:52 PM
Mar 2013

We must see true change for the better.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
4. No way it gets released
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:26 PM
Mar 2013

He doesn't want a shitstorm. He will probably, if serious about reform, handle it internally. Watch for a lot of 'retirements' if he does. The Church is far too secretive to open itself up in this way.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
9. And I am inclined to agree
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:22 PM
Mar 2013

I simply point out that releasing the report would be a very positive step forward.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
6. Again, that report is they key indicator
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:16 PM
Mar 2013

Once you make the guy Pope, kind of hard to rein him in if he decides to clean up.

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