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starting this series i am 3 for 3
i was in arizona 3 different times
went 200 miles and saw 8 people
watched dust devils and roadrunners
saw the grand canyon through glass
free rangecattle
it was a very different kind of landscape for me but still quite beautiful
Warpy
(111,261 posts)and turned back. NM driver's licenses are not accepted as ID in Arizona because licenses without SSNs are issued to undocumented workers so they'll get their cars registered, inspected and insured. Apparently Arizona cops don't know enough to look for a SSN.
I visited the southern bit of the state 25 years ago, realized the radio stations were mostly shite and decided to move to NM instead.
I have never regretted either decision.
Sorry, Arizona.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)That is asinine!
edit I found this: AZ - uses driver's SSN. Will assign a nine digit sequentially issued # upon request
http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.dldecod.html
I do not give out my SSN to anyone or any company.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)former9thward
(32,006 posts)I have had one for years and I never requested anything. They just assigned some number.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)NM licenses for citizens have both the license number and the SSN. Licenses for non citizens have only the DL number and the space for the SSN is blank. They are easy to tell apart but apparently too difficult for the AZ highway patrol.
We have PSAs around here about driving in AZ while brown: take a birth certificate or passport.
Sounds more like propaganda.
AZ DLs stopped using SSNs ages ago, but the licenses do not expire until you turn 65, so there are a LOT of people running around with licenses that do have socials, and a lot with licenses that do not. Odd that the only trouble I've ever heard of that causing is from someone who doesn't even visit.
My sister-in-law and niece are both "brown," as you so nicely put it. They don't seem to have any of this mythical trouble your PSAs warn you about.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)...doesn't have my SS #. Two of my husband's ex-band members are from NM. They stayed a whole week without a problem.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Busts a lot of preconceived notions that it's desert/scrub brush, although even that's nice in it's own way. Forests, lakes, hot as hell or colder than you can stand.
It's a red state for sure, but it's not everybody. They have some real John Wayne wannabe cowboy types, some bitter old wealthy retirees from out of state, both of which are VERY conservative IMO, but I've run into lots of nice people from different walks of life there too. I just stay away from April to November. I like it it cool/cold, but even then the sun is pretty warming.
ChazII
(6,205 posts)horrible summers. Home to the Grand Canyon, Painted Desert and Petrified Forest. The politics suck but where else can one enjoy snow and then travel 2 hours and enjoy wearing summer clothing?
BTW- you're braver than me - I would never go out on that glass platform.
The summer haboob was an awesome sight but not fun as I was caught while waking my dog.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And I actually have picture of myself standing on a corner in Winslow.
I was just takin' it easy...
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)a fine site to see.
barbtries
(28,794 posts)KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)Yes...it is very fine to see and visit...
tularetom
(23,664 posts)And woke up the next morning with a foot of snow on the ground.
When I went to take a pee I saw the tracks of something that looked a lot like it may have been a bear. It was no more than 100 feet from our tent.
Told my wife who immediately went to the truck and sat there until they came and plowed the road into the camp site in the afternoon. At which point we departed the woods and returned to civilization.
We spent the night in a hotel and the next time we went camping in Arizona we were in a motor home. And to this day I have never told her about the rattlesnake I spotted by our campfire the day before the snow.
That's my Arizona story.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Visited my ex sister-in-law in Phoenix in 2001, my last flight in the good old days, pre 9-11.
Arizona's pretty, but it's much too dry and hot down there for me. I liked Sedona.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Going to be awesome.
Pretty anti-social so who cares how the people are.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)The four corners area is really scenic, and I have to visit it on a road trip sometime. I think Arizona is a very intriguing state, with a lot of natural beauty, and not just the Grand Canyon.
pamela
(3,469 posts)It's so beautiful there. Sedona, Grand Canyon, Monument Valley (which is technically not Arizona but I always go there when I vizit Az) Tucson, Flagstaff, Kayenta, Jacob Lake, Williams, etc. I've done the standing on the corner in Winslow Az, too but the best sight in Winslow is an old hotel (la Posada, I think) owned by a pretty cool artist. So much to see and do in Arizona. Whenever I'm there, I find it hard to believe it's a red state. I've always met amazingly cool people there.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)until snowbirds started making it their home and bringing their toxic politics in to the state.
marlakay
(11,468 posts)Took train from Williams to grand canyon, went to Sedona, I won the trip at work I worked in travel at aaa then.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)and did not like it at all. The Rethugs controlled the state, then and now. It was all grow, grow, grow at any cost. My impression is there are lots of Hispanics who are potential voters, but they are not organized and do not vote, especially young Hispanic people. Very sad, as they could turn the state around if they participated. Maybe it is different now, but it doesn't look like it.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)Treat for cancer at CTCA in GoodYear...HORRIBLE state because of the bigotry.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I spent a lot of time there with my grandparents, growing up. My parents moved to CA a couple of months after I was born, but we visited Superior a few times each year. Hiking around the Superstition Mountains and rockhounding with Grandpa were favorite activities. Beautiful state, but hot and dry.
Weather is good
But as an adult I see no reason to ever visit that state again
In 1993 I got caught in a blizzard in flagstaff AZ what a nightmare
In 1993 the Highway patrol pulled me over after following me for like 5 miles; no ticket just a warning for going 67 in a 65 MPH Zone, BS
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)that's a deal-breaker in terms of living there.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)The weather is much to my liking, and driving around on the interstate is relatively stress-free (as opposed to the Northeast) and just beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
I've tossed around the idea of moving there so many times, but then I remember how conservative it is, and I end up just saying no.
barbtries
(28,794 posts)when i was 17 years old (long time ago that was)
drove through from CA on my move to NC in 2007.
i've no real sense of the place and - perhaps unfairly - associate it with a despicable sheriff, an obnoxious and idiotic governor, and rampant racism against brown people.
on the other hand, my son is a football fanatic and his team is the Cardinals. that kid loves him some AZ Cardinals. he literally cried when they lost the super bowl. nobody can tell us why since we never lived in AZ and he's never yet been to an NFL game.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)It's got some of the best birding in the country.
I've spent one of the warmest nights camping there (Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum in August) and one of the coldest nights camping there (Show Low in December) that I have ever spent anywhere.
Always good times.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Northern Az is green, pine trees, cooler weather.
Upper Mid Az is red rocks as in Sedona.
Tucson is in the south and it is beautiful - desert landscape, rolling hills and mountains in the background.
NE Az has natural lakes hidden in the pines.
Phoenix is a concrete jungle - like LA. But like LA it is surrounded by beautiful areas.
And it's not as red as people think.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)and went to the hualapai reservation to see grand canyon west
so i only saw a tiny slice of western arizona
i love westerns so i was "yay cowboy country!!!"
didnt see a single cowboy
Johnson20
(315 posts)didn't get the memo that we were not boycotting AZ anymore.??
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)the idea of the threads is to openly discuss each state
i hope residents will speak out as will visitors
my state is florida and it will likely be ugly lol
so arizonas boycott or its reluctance on mlk holidays is fair game
Brother Buzz
(36,434 posts)I installed store interiors all over the nation for years. Same store, different city. I grew to really despise shopping malls.
Anyway, I mostly choose to leave the hideous complexes for my meals and discover some local flavor. I spied a potential business across the street. Never mind it was a mile away, I hoofed it anyway. On my journey, I discovered two things: I was the only pedestrian and asphalt gets soft and gooey in the afternoon. For a moment, I thought I was in Bakersfield except for the opulent vehicles whizzing past me.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)and stuff looks closer in the desert than it really is
Spike89
(1,569 posts)Seems Nevada's laws were just too restrictive so in Laughlin, NV, you find lots of casinos, but the marriage chapels are over the state line in Arizona. That is my one and only Arizona trip, about 20 minutes with the wife...walked into a rundown strip mall "chapel". There was a guy in a bad polyester suit, he asked us one question "are you brother and sister?" Then he got up, deadbolted the door, and gave us each a cheap plastic rose. The "vows" were recorded on an old cassette boom box and the guy took pictures while performing the ceremony. After the 5 minute ceremony, he tied the two roses together with what appears to be a bread tie, had us sign a document, then unbolted the door so we could leave.
I did think it was cool that the bikers didn't have to wear helmets, but basically I wasn't impressed.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)madmom
(9,681 posts)retire there but not now, too red for me.
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Little Star
(17,055 posts)Sure is a lot to see there!
http://www.arizonaguide.com/
They list the most popular destinations as:
The Grand Canyon
Monument Valley
Four Corners
Petrified Forest
Painted Desert
Lake Powell & Glen Canyon
Lake Mead
Lake Havasu
Hoover Dam
Chiricahua National Monument
Canyon de Chelly
Saguaro National Park
Kartchner Caverns State Park
For myself, Im always interested in scenic drives and Arizona provides a separate website for those. Wow, there are 27 scenic roads! No wonder they have a separate website just for those.
http://www.arizonascenicroads.com/
mvccd1000
(1,534 posts)I grew up in the cold, so I have no desire to see forests, or snow, or grass. The sheer cliffs and saguaro-covered hills of the Sonoran Desert are beautiful to me, though. I wish the winters were warmer, but I don't mind the summers.
I guess I'd say I like:
- weather (especially April-October)
- junkyards full of rust-free old cars
- desert scenery
- year-round skydiving
- year-round motorcycle riding
- motorcycle helmet is my choice
- great roads
- reasonable housing prices
- a populace that doesn't freak out if someone walks into the bank or store wearing a pistol
- police have mostly been pretty laid back with me (I seem to have a heavy foot, which has seen me pulled over in at least seven states.)
- endless miles of state or federal land on which to hike, camp, shoot (with a camera or a firearm), and simply enjoy.
Things I don't like:
- Sheriff Joke of Maricopa County
- crazy right-wing legislature which seems bent on pushing their religious agenda
- problems with illegals (not getting into the debate on the subject, so don't reply that way - I'm talking only about the problems caused in AZ by the immigration situation as a whole). Three of my friends/acquaintances have been involved with accidents in which the person hitting them simply abandoned the car and ran from the scene. No ID, no insurance, no valid registration, etc. This is something I don't like about AZ, regardless of my - or anyone else's - position on the immigration debacle.
Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)Arizona is a great state to visit. The Grand Canyon, Painted Desert, Petrified Forest, Flagstaff, Lake Mead, Phoenix area, Hoover Dam, the desert in the west, and much more. I've been all over the state. I love the heat. I love some of the resorts. I love the food!
One day I was in the Phoenix/Scottsdale area. The sky turned red. Then I heard something bouncing off my car. It was a small sandstorm. Cool experience!
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)If you haven't seen an Arizona sunset, you haven't fully appreciated nature in perfection.
I have been through every inch of that state and it's beauty is second to none.
However, the toxic politics there as of late make it an undesirable place to live.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Once in 1973 driving through to California. Saw my great aunt and uncle in Phoenix and remember stopping for a picnic lunch at a rest area outside of Kingman, AZ. It was so hot and dry and toasted the bread in a matter of minutes.
Returned in 2009 on a business trip to Phoenix. It was February and the weather was absolutely perfect.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)I am in Missouri right now. But as soon as I get my Income Tax I am going! even if I have to walk all the way there!
annabanana
(52,791 posts)from the NY Metro area in the early 90's. The politics are disastrous, but the scenery is spectacular. I have never seen such sunsets or lightning storms.. and no one should die before they get to the Grand Canyon.
Alexander
(15,318 posts)DISCLAIMER: Most of what I have to say pertains to the Phoenix area, where I lived for 6 years. And I will give credit where credit is due.
1) Education (or lack thereof): AZ is constantly at the bottom when it comes to public spending on education. For example, in 2006 they were ranked 50th out of 51. What was #51, you ask? Louisiana. Post-Katrina Louisiana, that is. In other words, a state has to be devastated by a hurricane in order for their public education to be worse than Arizona's.
And it shows. Most of the intelligent or semi-intelligent people I met there were either educated out-of-state, or they went to private schools. Basic knowledge I've taken for granted since elementary school is apparently not taught to people in Arizona's public education system. And nobody there seems to get sarcasm or irony.
2) Weather: "It's a dry heat", people say. Yeah, so is Hell. 120+ degrees is just too damn hot no matter how humid it is. I will say, the winters are very nice. But summer there lasts about 6 months out of the year and the place is just a goddamned furnace. I have fainted due to heatstroke there, and plenty of people die every summer in AZ due to heatstroke.
I like my summers to be full of outdoorsy activities and so forth, not staying inside all day, every day with the AC on full blast. I don't like sweating the instant I leave my house, I don't like having to take 2 or 3 showers in a day unless I'm working out, and I don't like having to drink a gallon of water in a day just to stay properly hydrated.
3) Racism: Sweet Holy Jesus, Arizona is one of the most racist places I've ever been to. And I've been to over 35 US States and more than a dozen countries. I've never heard so many people (some of whom are themselves minorities) openly use racist language on a daily basis, towards Mexicans, African Americans, Native Americans, you name it.
People wonder how Sheriff Joe Arpaio stays in office year after year. The simple answer is: He keeps winning re-election in landslides. Most voters in Maricopa County know all there is to know about him, like his criminal abuse of prisoners, his attempts to round up anyone with dark skin, and his ties to Neo-Nazi and white supremacist hate groups. That's why he keeps getting re-elected. Which brings me to my next point...
4) Police: My cousin is a good and honorable police chief and it bothers me when people disparage the police as a whole. In Phoenix, however, the reputation seems to be mostly well-earned with few exceptions. I have personally been harassed by the cops on a few occasions, either for absolutely nothing or because of an incredibly minor offense (like jaywalking). I knew a lot of people there (most of whom where minorities) who had many horror stories about police harassment.
There are all sorts of news articles about the cops harassing minorities, beating them up, shooting them, planting drugs and/or guns on them, etc. over there. And 9 times out of 10, these atrocities are covered up and the victims have to file a civil suit to get anything done.
5) Water: The tap water is simply godawful, has all sorts of minerals in it, and leaves a white film on everything. I could still feel it on my skin after a shower, and around 2005 I remember there being a contamination scare where they were telling people to boil their water before they used it.
Of course, this problem is exacerbated by the fact that Arizona is one of many states draining the Colorado River basin, and even more so by the fact that people there think nothing of wasting gallons upon gallons of water so they can have a green lawn or a golf course on every corner.
6) Politics: They might as well put a sign up on the border saying "liberals not welcome". Because that's definitely what it felt like the entire time I lived there. I remember having one - and only one - bumper sticker on my car that said "Attack Iraq? No!" and this resulted in my car getting keyed, tires punctured, nasty notes left on my windshield, people honking just so they can flip me off, etc.
To top it off, I lived in Tempe, a college town and one of the more liberal places in the entire state. Yet we Democrats were always fighting losing battles there, it seemed. The mayor, Hugh Hallman, called ASU students "bums" before the election, and he still won, because most ASU students were too busy getting drunk and going to parties to bother voting or getting out the vote. Canvassing and phone-banking were often met with hostility and there were typically few volunteers.
I will give credit where credit is due, though: in 2006 and 2008 it was a bit different. More volunteers, less hostility, my car wasn't vandalized, etc. And Harry Mitchell (D-5th District) won office in 2006, beating J.D. Hayworth (who was basically Rush Limbaugh Jr.), only to be voted out in 2010.
7) Driving: Again, I'll give credit - the roads in the Phoenix area are in tip-top shape. Some of them even have rubberized cement so that it's a quieter drive. Which just makes it that much more puzzling that the drivers seem to be the biggest bunch of dipshits in the universe. Phoenix and its suburbs (Scottsdale, Tempe, Mesa, Chandler, Glendale, Avondale, etc) constantly rank near the top of the list when it comes to running red lights, carjackings, speeding, and all sorts of other traffic-related mishaps because people there simply can't drive worth a damn.
Arizona also has one of the most lax requirements for getting a driver's license of any state as far as driving tests go, and once you get a license, it doesn't expire until you turn age 65. Never mind if you got a license while still in high school and you look nothing like you did back then - you can literally hang on to the same license for almost 50 years without having to get it renewed.
They also had traffic cameras there for a while, which do not improve traffic safety in the slightest, but they did generate revenue for the state. I was quite happy when I heard they got rid of those.
8) Economy: Phoenix's economy is based almost entirely on real estate and construction. Real estate moguls have significant influence in both parties, and the main goal seems to be to bulldoze as much desert scenery as possible to build more McMansions. Of course, since the housing market collapsed, the local economy has likewise taken a dive and unemployment there has gone up pretty significantly.
9) Culture (or lack thereof): For a city that's the 6th largest in the country, it's an incredibly boring place to live. For starters, there's not much actually in Phoenix - and if you walk around downtown when there isn't an event going on, you'll notice that there are hardly any people milling about. They have an art festival on the first Friday of every month, but if you go there once, you've seen all there is to see.
What there is to do in Phoenix is mostly found in the suburbs, like Scottsdale and Tempe. They did construct the Musical Instrument Museum since I moved away, which is pretty neat - but I've seen much smaller cities with far more of a cultural scene than what Phoenix has.
10) Everything looks exactly the same: Pretty self-explanatory. All the houses look the same, all the neighborhoods look the same, all the strip malls have all the same nationwide chains of stores in them, etc. It's like in cartoons where they are driving in a car past what looks like the same row of houses over and over. There was a Blockbuster, an Applebee's or Chili's, a McDonald's, a Burger King, a Jack In The Box, a Safeway and a Fry's on what seemed like every corner - and it's very easy to get turned around in a residential neighborhood because everything looks exactly the same. All in all, an exercise in uniform blandness.
Now, to be fair, these are just my experiences, and mainly of the Phoenix area. I really enjoyed spending time in Sedona, Flagstaff, Prescott and Tucson (that's really all AZ has for cities, the rest of the state is pretty much flyover country), but then again, I never lived in those cities - I only visited. If I was ever to live in AZ again, I'd probably want to live in Sedona or Flagstaff - but I will never live in Phoenix, or any suburb of Phoenix, again for as long as I live.
mvccd1000
(1,534 posts)I lived in three other states before settling in the east valley almost 15 years ago. I can't imagine living anywhere else.
I do hope you're happier wherever you're living now, though... it's no fun to be miserable every day.
jillan
(39,451 posts)gets re-elected is because alot of people him - liberals included (not one of them!).
Hispanics like him. Yes. Believe it or not, people that are here from Mexico that came here legally do not like illegal immigrants.
They feel like they obeyed the rules and everyone should do the same. I was dumbfounded when I got an earful from a friend.
There are certain parts of the city that is more red than others. I live in a very red area - but am moving to an area where there are Obama/Biden bumperstickers all over the place.
And you also have to remember that we have elected Democratic Mayors in Phoenix for as long as I can remember.... and have had Democratic governors for over a decade. We got Brewer because Obama took Janet Napolitano, who was in her second term, and Brewer was next in line. But then Brewer got elected in 2010 with all the other asshole Govs.
I agree that Phoenix lacks the cultural scene of other big cities. But for people that like to hike and golf, there is a whole world here for them.
If you ever come back, you should go to Tucson. Tucson is beautiful, vibrant and blue!
Alexander
(15,318 posts)Yeah, I'm sure a lot of Hispanics are just thrilled about Arpaio's racial profiling against anyone whose skin isn't lily-white. I'm sure the Arizonans who came from Mexico legally are overjoyed that Arpaio likes being compared to the KKK and openly supports white supremacist groups. All of which is fairly well-documented and published in mainstream Phoenix-area papers for all to see.
Let's be honest with each other. There is a large number of voters in Maricopa County who vote for Joe (and who voted for Andrew Thomas, for that matter) just because they want him to beat up on Hispanics. I didn't just imagine all the racism I witnessed out there.
Phoenix is a city, cities tend to elect Democratic mayors. No surprise there.
"Democratic governors for over a decade" is simply not true, not in recent history anyway. Janet Napolitano got sworn in in 2003 and left in 2009. Do the math - that's 6 years. Besides which, Napolitano was a moderate at best, and would be considered closer to a Republican in many places.
For your "over a decade" statement to be accurate, we have to go all the way back to Castro, Bolin and Babbitt - 1975-1987. Not only is that long before I ever lived there, it's back when the area was totally different.
True. I didn't like it when Obama did that. Brewer is a complete idiot and I doubt anyone would have ever heard of her if he hadn't nominated Napolitano.
Even in Brewer's case, she is appealing to the many racists in the state. That whole recent incident of her arguing with Obama and sticking her finger in his face was an obvious dog-whistle. And need I remind you of Evan Mecham, and the fact that Arizona was dead-last in recognizing Martin Luther King, Jr. Day?
Let's also remember that Arizona has a solidly right-wing Republican state legislature, and has had it for many years now. Can you even tell me the last time the State House or the State Senate were controlled by Democrats?
I did enjoy hiking many times in Arizona, but then again I've hiked in many other states as well. To me that isn't anything special.
I don't golf at all, and I think the golf courses on every corner are an obscene waste of water. Any analysis will tell you that the entire Southwest is going to be facing a major water shortage within the next decade or two.
I have been to Tucson several times, thanks. And I did enjoy it. But I'm also quite content back here in Connecticut and I highly doubt I'll ever live in Arizona again.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)There are some great people living there, but they are far and few between.
I will add that I've never seen a bigger bunch of slobs. We loved hiking when we lived there and some of their recreation areas were littered with garbage like I've never seen anywhere else.
shanti
(21,675 posts)well, mom lives near sedona, an area which has a lot of natural beauty, etc. she seems pretty happy. i couldn't live there, though, for a multitude of reasons.
i have been to the grand canyon, and if there was any one reason to visit arizona at least once, it would be the canyon. it is just one of those ultimate bucket list items, beyond awesome. another bucket list locations in arizona for me is supai. the aquamarine water, the canyon, the waterfalls....a little piece of paradise!
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Woo-hoo!!
Iggo
(47,552 posts)I miss vacationing there.