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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:50 AM Mar 2013

Leaked Pentagon Report: The F-35 Won't Stand A Chance In Aerial Combat

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-f-35-would-be-defeated-aerial-combat-2013-3



According to an article published by the Washington Times, the F-35A, the Conventional Take Off and Landing version of the Joint Strike Fighter, would be defeated in aerial combat because of its current shortcomings.

Mentioning a leaked Pentagon report made available by POGO, the article explains that “out-of-cockpit visibility in the F-35A is less than other Air Force fighter aircraft,” thus limiting a pilot’s ability to see aerial threats surrounding him.

The problem is in the large head rest that impedes rear visibility and the ability of the pilot to check the aircraft’s 6 o’clock for incoming aerial or surface threats.

Another shortcoming is the aircraft adveniristic helmet mounted display system (HMDS Gen. II), that has not yet solved focal problems, blurry and double vision in the display and misalignment of the virtual horizon display with the actual horizon.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-f-35-would-be-defeated-aerial-combat-2013-3#ixzz2MxaF5ycE
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Leaked Pentagon Report: The F-35 Won't Stand A Chance In Aerial Combat (Original Post) xchrom Mar 2013 OP
Good job there's not many of these about then dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #1
! xchrom Mar 2013 #5
Curse you, Red Baron! n/t backscatter712 Mar 2013 #8
What! madokie Mar 2013 #2
I was thinking the same thing. GiveMeFreedom Mar 2013 #24
Should have just Hayabusa Mar 2013 #3
Agreed Mr Dixon Mar 2013 #9
This is, what, the second failed "Fighter Jet of the Future? Hayabusa Mar 2013 #12
IMO Mr Dixon Mar 2013 #13
Such a shame Hayabusa Mar 2013 #14
IMO Mr Dixon Mar 2013 #19
I don't know if the drones have been tested in Hayabusa Mar 2013 #20
Sure, but how are they going to justify the hundreds of billions in corporate welfare Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #23
Good thing they're all grounded right now. Oh, wait... WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #4
Sorry Will NewJeffCT Mar 2013 #22
Obviously, we need to dump a lot more money into this program! AndyA Mar 2013 #6
Do what the Israelis did guardian Mar 2013 #7
That was so they had a place to hang their fuzzy dice..... Bandit Mar 2013 #11
But where do you put guardian Mar 2013 #16
In an Israeli jet? hootinholler Mar 2013 #17
Which obviously means that we need to start a whole other aircraft program to take its place, MadHound Mar 2013 #10
Try a Trillion. Octafish Mar 2013 #18
Oh, no! What will protect us from the mighty Taliban Air Force??? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #15
Ha ha very funny!! Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #21
We already have an answer to this. GiveMeFreedom Mar 2013 #25

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
13. IMO
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:50 PM
Mar 2013


This is all about contracts in the billions, the rich get richer weather there product works or not.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
19. IMO
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:55 PM
Mar 2013

The Soldier’s are collateral damage, not sure why anyone would sign up to be a test pilot. What is really curious is why we need these planes at all, the drones seem to be doing a good job, why risks a human life? As you stated why not upgrade the planes we already have like Russia and china did? The simple answer is the military industrial complex never saw a dollar that could not spend.

Hayabusa

(2,135 posts)
20. I don't know if the drones have been tested in
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:11 PM
Mar 2013

a dogfighting experience, not that we're likely to ever get that way in air combat again. Remember, the Predators are essentially modified recon aircraft.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
23. Sure, but how are they going to justify the hundreds of billions in corporate welfare
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:23 PM
Mar 2013

if they just keep building and improving what already works better than anything else?

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
4. Good thing they're all grounded right now. Oh, wait...
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:02 AM
Mar 2013
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, which costs around $400 billion, was recently globally grounded due to a crack in an engine fin, a new reason among many others why no one wants this plane to begin with, yet it keeps getting built. The V-22 Osprey has been killing Marines for years now, yet it also keeps getting built, to the tune of $35 billion.

Cancel these two "defense" programs that don't work and are not wanted by the service branches expected to use them, and...gosh. That's $435 billion we just saved, along with the lives of any number of servicemembers.

Two programs.

$435,000,000,000.00


Me: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/14793-the-fix-is-in-laying-bare-some-sequester-lies

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
22. Sorry Will
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:06 PM
Mar 2013

you're usually a terrific writer, but if we canceled the F-35 program today, it would not save $400 billion. We've already spent somewhere north of $200 billion, maybe even $300 billion, on the F-35. Our current outlay for this fiscal year for the F-35 is $9.4 billion. The V-22 outlay for this year is $2.1 billion.

So, by cutting the two programs, you've saved $11.5 billion for this year, and likely a similar amount for next year.

If we cut the amount we spend on overseas bases & troops in half, we could save over $30 billion in one year. Plus, by relocating those troops back to the US, we're boosting the economy around the bases where the troops get relocated to.





AndyA

(16,993 posts)
6. Obviously, we need to dump a lot more money into this program!
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:21 AM
Mar 2013

We can eviscerate social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and all the other worthless programs that waste money, then spend lots more on something worthwhile--like this!

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
10. Which obviously means that we need to start a whole other aircraft program to take its place,
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:48 AM
Mar 2013

And spend untold billions on it.

That's one way the MIC is continuously well fed and cared for.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Try a Trillion.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:39 PM
Mar 2013
$1 trillion Fighter plane project likely to be more costly

Program cutbacks now may drive up costs later.

The total cost of the F-35 program is more than $1 trillion, according to the Government Accountability Office.


By John Nolan
Staff Writer
Updated: 10:53 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 26, 2012 | Posted: 10:23 p.m. Saturday, Feb. 25, 2012

The Obama administration’s cost-cutting decision to reduce purchases of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter in the program’s early years will likely drive up costs during the long term on a project that is already on its way to becoming America’s most expensive military acquisition ever.

Joe DellaVedova, a spokesman for the F-35 program office in Crystal City, Va., acknowledged that the stealth fighter’s price tag — estimated to be more than $1 trillion — will likely increase during the 30-year buying period, due to reducing demand at the beginning, which may have held down costs through economies of scale.

The new plan to buy 244 of the planes in the next five years — down from the previously scheduled 423 — would reduce funding by $15 billion during that period, he said.

“We’re in the reality of tight fiscal constraints,” DellaVedova said.

The cost comes in part because the plane, which will modernize the attack fleet, is tailored to the needs of multiple armed services including the U.S. and its allies.

CONTINUED...

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/springfield-news/-1-trillion-fighter-plane-project-likely-to-be-more-costly-1334400.html

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
21. Ha ha very funny!!
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:14 PM
Mar 2013

You do know those kites probably have those box cutter type razors, right? Which is why we need an anti missile shield as well.

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