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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 02:40 AM Mar 2013

WikiLeaks reveals imperialist plots against Venezuela

By Paul Dobson = February 24, 2013

WikiLeaks has published over 40,000 secret documents regarding Venezuela, which show the clear hand of US imperialism in efforts to topple popular and democratically elected leader Hugo Chavez.

The documents, which date from July 2004 to December 2011 and which were published through WikiLeaks twitter account @wikileaks and which are now available on WikilLeaks Global Intelligence Files online, are based on emails taken from the private US-based intelligence company, Stratfor.

This company claims to provide analysis for multinational corporations looking to invest in Venezuela, and uses a number of local sources to develop their reports. However, their emails prove that their motives and objectives are far from independent, and they are working as an intelligence and strategy agency for those looking to develop suitable political conditions for economic imperialism, exploitation, and intervention in the country.

WikiLeaks describes Stratfor as “a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations ....


http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/53422
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randome

(34,845 posts)
4. Unidentified 'conspiracy plans' sounds more like paranoia to me.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:56 AM
Mar 2013

I'll acknowledge something like this if there is evidence to support it but this link has nothing but unsubstantiated allegations. Why not name the individuals if there was an actual 'coup' in progress?

struggle4progress

(118,297 posts)
7. Venezuelan VP says Chavez was infected with cancer by foes
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:22 AM
Mar 2013
... "We have no doubt that commander Chavez was attacked with this illness," Maduro said, repeating a charge first made by Chavez himself that the cancer was an attack by "imperialist" foes in the United States in league with domestic enemies. "The old enemies of our fatherland looked for a way to harm his health," Maduro said, comparing it with allegations that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, who died in 2004, may have been poisoned by Israeli agents ...

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/03/05/venezuela-chavez-idINDEE92402320130305

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
2. Hugo Chavez 6
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 04:44 AM
Mar 2013

I hope my corrupt war mongering government stays far away from Venezuela.

They have an extremely lousy track record when it comes to coups, coups attempts, financing coups, invading, occupying and financial terrorism.

The disappointment I have in my country's government truly saddens me.

They sold their souls to corporations and Wall Street.

I feel so betrayed.

RIP Hugo Chavez

Condolences to all.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. Yes, but I wouldn't count on it. Our government was already behind the attempted
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 01:41 PM
Mar 2013

coup of a democratically elected president, Chavez, chosen by the Venezuelan people, in 2002. They were exposed, especially Condy Rice who foolishly made comments before she realized the Venezuelan people went out and foiled that coup.

Since then the usual far right suspects in that region of the world have been backed in their efforts to try to discredit, smear, overthrow etc any Democratic leader of all the countries that have finally regained their sovereignty after decades of oppression. Chavez is a hero there. The man who began the taking back of those countries, who took his own country out of debt to the World Bank and the IMF and reduced poverty and illiteracy by 50%, established equal rights and education for women etc. This won't do though for the Western corporate interests. He dared to use Venezuela's resources for Venezuela's people. And we all know that the major Oil Cartel's are not happy about that.

I'm sure that plans are already in place to try to steal Venezuela and its resources once again. I only hope that Chavez and all those who supported him had time to do enough to ensure that the region remains free from brutal Corporate control.

RIP Chavez. He will be badly missed and not just in Venezuela.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. Their 'strategy' for toppling governments is this:
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:01 AM
Mar 2013
unification of opposition, campaign for September elections and parallel with that a "get out and vote" campaign”


I have no doubt Stratfor is engaged in nefarious activities but unless I'm missing something, the Wikileaks documents don't contain a smoking gun.
 

green for victory

(591 posts)
6. How about this strategy for toppling a Government?
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:10 AM
Mar 2013

It Worked! Woo Hoo USA USA UK UK USA UK



Edit to add: Why do you think this Coup D'etat wasn't mentioned a single time by Ted Koppel during 444 days of whining and sniffling on national tv? Any ideas?
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. Not sure what 1953 has to do with this.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:39 AM
Mar 2013

If you want to convince me our government has done some immoral things in the past -and probably continues to do so- you don't need to try hard.

But as for Chavez and Venezuela, I see no evidence of overt interference in their affairs.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
10. U: "I see no evidence of overt interference in their affairs."
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 10:05 AM
Mar 2013

You want us to think that means something?

The whole idea of black ops is to remain covert, never be seen, never be identified. The reason we have "covert" operations is because they are illegal!!

There is a global secret war going on, in case you have not heard. It is entirely political, directed at killing political opposition world-wide. And this is not something new, but it is covert. Seeing "evidence of overt interference" is not part of the plan.

Finally, you need to watch the film with all the overt evidence:

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised - Chavez: Inside the Coup




 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. Sure, you have a point but I'm not going to believe it just because you or someone else says to.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 01:38 PM
Mar 2013

We knew we were interfering in Nicaragua. We knew we were interfering in El Salvador. I truly doubt Obama has any 'designs' on Venezuela.

I can't watch the video at work. I'm betting it has to do with Bush's Presidency?

struggle4progress

(118,297 posts)
8. Stratfor Is a Joke and So Is Wikileaks for Taking It Seriously
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:31 AM
Mar 2013
The corporate research firm has branded itself as a CIA-like "global intelligence" firm, but only Julian Assange and some over-paying clients are fooled
By Max Fisher
... Maybe what these emails actually reveal is how a Texas-based corporate research firm can get a little carried away in marketing itself as a for-hire CIA and end up fooling some over-eager hackers into believing it's true.

The group's reputation among foreign policy writers, analysts, and practitioners is poor; they are considered a punchline more often than a source of valuable information or insight. As a former recipient of their "INTEL REPORTS" (I assume someone at Stratfor signed me up for a trial subscription, which appeared in my inbox unsolicited), what I found was typically some combination of publicly available information and bland "analysis" that had already appeared in the previous day's New York Times. A friend who works in intelligence once joked that Stratfor is just The Economist a week later and several hundred times more expensive. As of 2001, a Stratfor subscription could cost up to $40,000 per year ...
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. You mean companies are not investing in Venezuela
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 01:35 PM
Mar 2013

Right fucking now? I know this will come as a surprise to the Global Fund managers for a few emerging economies funds...

This is not the full story and hate to break this, but Venezuela has received billions in foreign funds even during Chavismo.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. Day late and a dollar short.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 01:41 PM
Mar 2013

The CIA got caught at least 3 times trying to get Hugo out of office. Pretty well known and somewhat old news.

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