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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:13 AM Feb 2013

1 Day Late on Rent Can Land You in Jail? A Shockingly Draconian Renters Law (Hard Times USA)

http://www.alternet.org/hard-times-usa/1-day-late-rent-can-land-you-jail-shockingly-draconian-renters-law-hard-times-usa



One evening this past August, Angela and Steve received a knock on the door. The couple opened it to see two police officers standing outside.

“One of them said, ‘We have a warrant for y’all’s arrest. … The next thing I remember is my husband dragging me from the kitchen. I had fainted,” Angela recalled, according to Human Rights Watch.

Their crime? The couple was unable to afford their $585 rent payment that month.

Two weeks after their rent was due, Steve approached their landlord with half of the money for the rent, but she wouldn’t take it.
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1 Day Late on Rent Can Land You in Jail? A Shockingly Draconian Renters Law (Hard Times USA) (Original Post) xchrom Feb 2013 OP
USA, Inc. Money 1st, people last. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2013 #1
I couldn't tell pipoman Feb 2013 #2
Here is the law in Arkansas: Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #8
Yeah, the "failure to vacate" pipoman Feb 2013 #11
Here is the law in, for example, Kansas Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #33
Hmm pipoman Feb 2013 #34
Seven years is a long time in politics Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #35
although the law is indeed draconian , the head line is very misleading bowens43 Feb 2013 #3
100 people were actually charged with a crime. Marrah_G Feb 2013 #5
But the charge is not non-payment of rent--it's failure to vacate. And sloppy legal reporting of msanthrope Feb 2013 #7
This is the problem of relying on Alternet for legal news. It's a great report by HRW, badly msanthrope Feb 2013 #6
Arkansas seems to be an endless well of bad laws aimed at the poor and women cali Feb 2013 #4
Feudalism. ck4829 Feb 2013 #9
So, one day late on rent *can't* land you in jail Recursion Feb 2013 #10
i like people less and less as time passes.. frylock Feb 2013 #18
How many days should non-paying tenants stay free? What should happen if they don't leave? dmallind Feb 2013 #12
criminal penalties are akin to debtors' prison Jersey Devil Feb 2013 #13
Thank you woo me with science Feb 2013 #17
Every state, including pipoman Feb 2013 #16
certainly more than 10 days.. frylock Feb 2013 #19
does anybody even go to journalism school anymore? snooper2 Feb 2013 #14
Apparently not slackmaster Feb 2013 #31
Highly inaccurate headline. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #15
okay. 11 days late on rent can land you in jail. frylock Feb 2013 #20
Wrong. Failure to vacate the premises after being notified gets you in trouble. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #21
so you think it's reasonable to give someone 10 days to vacate the prem? frylock Feb 2013 #22
Still not accurate. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #27
yes, we can agree on that.. frylock Feb 2013 #28
look at the replies and hold your heads high with pride DU. frylock Feb 2013 #23
This headline is a lie. Peter cotton Feb 2013 #24
so you too are pro-living in car? frylock Feb 2013 #25
That's a separate question entirely, is it not? Peter cotton Feb 2013 #29
evidently all anyone wants to talk about is the headline.. frylock Feb 2013 #30
as bad as the law is the title isn't right dsc Feb 2013 #26
A person who fails to vacate a rental after due process for a delinquency can be arrested anywhere slackmaster Feb 2013 #32
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
2. I couldn't tell
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:59 AM
Feb 2013

if the 10 day notice is a court document?

In my state eviction is a civil procedure with no criminal penalty until/unless the tenant(s) ignore a court order, or become violent during the eviction process. A "10 day notice" is part of the eviction process here. The notice is not part of a court case unless the tenant does not vacate during the 10 days. Then the landlord files a civil case against the tenant. Part of the civil filing is a copy of the 10 day notice and when/who it was served or posted. After the filing an order for appearance is issued, usually between several days and a month from the filing..this must be personally served or posted..many judges are open to hear service disputes if this paper is served/posted by the landlord as opposed to an officer of the court. If the tenant appears the judge will listen to their pleas and will determine a date by which the residence must be vacated. If the tenant does not appear, the court will usually issue an order for immediate eviction. The eviction order must be served by an officer of the court and is immediate upon service. Often, probably 75% of the time, when the tenant did not appear, by the time I would get there with the eviction order, the tenant was already out and I would simply call the landlord to change the locks or call a locksmith and post the notice of trespass if the tenant returns without making arrangements with the landlord. If the person refuses to leave at this time they can be cited for contempt or several other misdemeanor possibilities (failure to comply, disorderly conduct, impairing official duty, etc). All this takes a month or 2 at best..there is no criminal penalty for failure to pay any debt including rent.

Sounds like AR needs a civil procedure overhaul..

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
8. Here is the law in Arkansas:
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:27 AM
Feb 2013

Failure to pay rent or to pay rent on time, for any reason, is grounds for eviction. There are two types of eviction procedures a landlord can use: “unlawful detainer” (a civil eviction) and “failure to vacate” (a criminal eviction).

Unlawful Detainer: If a landlord uses the “unlawful detainer” method of eviction, he must give you three days’ written notice to vacate. If you do not leave, the landlord can sue by filing a complaint against you in court. After you receive a summons to appear in court, you have five days to object in writing to the eviction. Any objection must be filed with the clerk of the court in which the eviction action was filed, and you should send a copy of your objection to the landlord’s lawyer. If you do not file an objection, you can be removed from the dwelling by the county sheriff. If you do object, a hearing will be scheduled to determine the outcome to your case.

Failure to Vacate: If a landlord wishes to use the “failure to vacate” method of eviction, he must give you 10days written notice. This method of eviction applies only to non-payment of rent. If you do not leave the premises within 10 days, the prosecuting attorney has the discretion to charge you with a misdemeanor. You would then be required to appear in court where you could be fined up to $25 for each day you remained in the dwelling after being given the 10-day notice to vacate.

http://gotyourbackarkansas.org/home/landlordtenant-rights-guide/

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
11. Yeah, the "failure to vacate"
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:40 AM
Feb 2013

statute is unusual I believe..it seems almost ex parte, I suspect in most states an eviction can reach the criminal level, but requires more than a request for a warrant by a landlord..

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
33. Here is the law in, for example, Kansas
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:38 PM
Feb 2013

"If a tenant does not move when asked to, or leaves personal possessions in a rental apartment, the landlord may file criminal charges or sell the tenant's abandoned possessions."

Read more: How to Evict a Tenant in Kansas | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_6563460_evict-tenant-kansas.html#ixzz2M4DUuCew

I suspect lots of other states also have similar laws on the books.

I should also add that the "criminal" aspect of the Arkansas law, as explained at the state attorney general's web site, seems to be a fine. Nowhere is there any mention of jail time.

One more thing-- the article in the OP mentions first names only-- no last names, and no city. If these people were actually sent to jail just for failure to pay rent, then that would seem to be in violation of the law.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
34. Hmm
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:06 AM
Feb 2013

I have served hundreds of eviction notices (in Kansas) of all types for major property managers and have never heard of this. In fact if I, as the agent of the landlord, went to a property in, say, Wichita and try to kick someone out without a court order signed by a district court judge, the police will evict the evictor(sic)..either something has changed since 7 years ago when I left that 20 year career, or this is an example of why one shouldn't get their legal advice from e-how..

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
35. Seven years is a long time in politics
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:42 AM
Feb 2013

A lot can happen during that time. The Arkansas law that is the object of the OP, for example, was passed 6 years ago.

At any rate, the eHow information about Kansas does seem to be an exaggeration, just like the claim in the OP that being one day late with a rent payment, or being late with a rent payment at all, in Arkansas is grounds for getting thrown in jail.

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
3. although the law is indeed draconian , the head line is very misleading
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:03 AM
Feb 2013

no one gos o jail for being late with their rent.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
5. 100 people were actually charged with a crime.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:22 AM
Feb 2013

And some are held until trial.

"And because the law is poorly written, judges improvise the punishment. Some try to avoid handing out charges and give tenants an extra week to move out. But others regularly hand out fines of $400 or detain tenants before trial. Human Rights Watch witnessed one district judge yell at an accused renter and compare her to a bank robber. "

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
7. But the charge is not non-payment of rent--it's failure to vacate. And sloppy legal reporting of
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:39 AM
Feb 2013

the HRW report is great propaganda, but provides little help to people who might actually need legal help.

What I found frustrating about the report--and I suggest you read it, as opposed to just the article--is that it contains very little practical information as to what remedy is available.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
6. This is the problem of relying on Alternet for legal news. It's a great report by HRW, badly
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:36 AM
Feb 2013

reported on by Alternet.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. Arkansas seems to be an endless well of bad laws aimed at the poor and women
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:07 AM
Feb 2013

<snip>

Arkansas is the only U.S. state where tenants can wind up with a criminal record if they can’t afford to pay their rent on time. The state’s “failure to vacate" laws allow landlords, without independent investigation, to charge tenants with a misdemeanor offense and have them arrested if they fail to move out after receiving a 10-day eviction notice. Landlords can give tenants the notice after they are only one day late with their payment.

The reason Arkansas has such harsh tenant laws dates back to 2007, when the Residential Landlord and Tenant Act passed, stripping landlords of many responsibilities while burdening tenants. Currently, while tenants are supposed to properly dispose of waste, landlords have no obligation to provide them with garbage receptacles. Landlords are also not required to provide tenants with safe or sanitary property; they are, however, allowed to enter their tenants’ property whenever they deem fit.

<snip>

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. So, one day late on rent *can't* land you in jail
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:37 AM
Feb 2013

but can get you a failure to vacate writ, 10 days later, the penalty for which is a fine. I like Alternet less and less as time passes.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
12. How many days should non-paying tenants stay free? What should happen if they don't leave?
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:53 AM
Feb 2013

These questions must have definite answers, or the vast majority of people would simply stop paying rent. What would your answers be as an owner?

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
13. criminal penalties are akin to debtors' prison
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:58 AM
Feb 2013

If a tenant doesn't pay rent you can file a complaint with a court and let the court set an eviction date. There is no need to criminalize a contractual debt. My bet is that if someone challenged this law it would be found unconstitutional. The trouble is that poor people who don't pay rent can't afford lawyers to challenge laws. Hopefully someone like the ACLU will step in and try to right this wrong.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
17. Thank you
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 03:45 PM
Feb 2013

for pointing out the obfuscation going on here, and bringing the thread back to the real point: that *criminal* charges are unnecessary, vicious, and outrageous.

It is utterly nauseating to see the DU Corporate Brigade lining up so rapidly to try to drown this thread in outrageous excuses for bringing criminal charges against the poor.

We are in deep, deep peril in this country. Our corporate nation has sold its moral center, and we are relentlessly propagandized to accept the unconscionable.


 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
16. Every state, including
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 03:30 PM
Feb 2013

AR, has a means for physical eviction..the distinction here is that there is a criminal statute for merely not vacating within 10 days after notice is served. Most (if not all) other states have more grace built into the process than AR and staying through the process isn't criminal.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
19. certainly more than 10 days..
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:02 PM
Feb 2013

but i'm kinda funny that way in that my life isn't driven by absolute greed and love of money.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
21. Wrong. Failure to vacate the premises after being notified gets you in trouble.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:11 PM
Feb 2013

Ten days after being notified and then not leaving.

"Not Leaving" is the operative phrase. Being late paying the rent is not the reason they get arrested.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
22. so you think it's reasonable to give someone 10 days to vacate the prem?
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:17 PM
Feb 2013

someone struggling to make rent? are you on the right site? because that is fucking heartless. shit, people get 30 days here. but fuck it. are there no workhouses? are there no debtors prisons? welcome to the fucking big tent I guess.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. Still not accurate.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:58 PM
Feb 2013

But we do agree that the headline is inaccurate. And that is what my post is about.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
28. yes, we can agree on that..
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:20 PM
Feb 2013

it was sensationalized as many headlines tend to be. doesn't change the fact that the law is draconian bullshit.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
25. so you too are pro-living in car?
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:43 PM
Feb 2013

gawd I love the compassion on display at this site. it just oozes like sweat after a three-day meth binge.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
30. evidently all anyone wants to talk about is the headline..
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:58 PM
Feb 2013

and we've ascertained about 15 posts ago that it is indeed inaccurate. I guess that nobody is very comfortable addressing the issue as to whether 10 days is ample time to find a new place and vacate the current premises. having had 30 days to accomplish such a feat, through no fault of my own mind you, I found it to be a rather daunting and stressful task. and that was being fully employed with plenty of money to lay down for first/last months rent, renting a truck, and establishing utilities. clearly, someone in this situation, who offered their asshole landlord half the rent, does not have that luxury. I find that those focusing on the hyperbole of the headline seem to miss the point in spectacular fashion. but maybe everyone here is a copy editor. idk.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
26. as bad as the law is the title isn't right
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:57 PM
Feb 2013

it takes 10 days. I do think the law is horrible but we shouldn't tell stories we like instead of the truth.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
32. A person who fails to vacate a rental after due process for a delinquency can be arrested anywhere
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:03 PM
Feb 2013

For trespassing. The process and time required vary from state to state.

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