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ashling

(25,771 posts)
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:06 AM Feb 2013

10 Phrases Progressives Need To Ditch (And What We Can Say Instead)

I am sure this has been posted - I know this issue has been talked about here - but there are a couple in here of new import to me. I especially like "undocumented resident" instead of "illegal,"alien", et al.,

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/02/24/10-phrases-progressives-need-to-ditch/

1). Big Business: Instead, try: Unelected Government.

(2). Entitlements: Instead, try: Earned Benefits.


(4). Government Spending: Instead, try: Investing in America.
(5). Gun Control: Gun Safety.

(6). Illegal Aliens Instead, try: Undocumented Residents.


(9). The Environment: Instead, try: Shared Resources.
(10). Welfare: . Instead, try: Social Safety Net
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10 Phrases Progressives Need To Ditch (And What We Can Say Instead) (Original Post) ashling Feb 2013 OP
Once and for all- KaryninMiami Feb 2013 #1
I really think forced-birthing is a much more accurate description Major Nikon Feb 2013 #3
Every sperm is sacred BlueStreak Feb 2013 #7
You're on the right track but... Jasana Feb 2013 #16
Right texshelters Feb 2013 #37
I don't think "environment" has any baggage. Proud to use that one BlueStreak Feb 2013 #6
And I have major problems with "shared resources" starroute Feb 2013 #10
How about 2naSalit Feb 2013 #13
I just don't see any reason to not say "environment" BlueStreak Feb 2013 #21
Some people in occupy call it texshelters Feb 2013 #38
How about Pro-violence party? ErikJ Feb 2013 #8
I'm taking to calling them the Cruelty Party. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #42
Anti legal-choice is more accurate SoCalDem Feb 2013 #24
How about... Blanks Feb 2013 #28
Yes! mountain grammy Feb 2013 #39
Some of this just plays into the RW agenda Major Nikon Feb 2013 #2
Right to work = Anti union wages & benefits SoCalDem Feb 2013 #25
Another frame for unionization: Democracy for the Workplace. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #43
Agree get the red out Feb 2013 #26
Agree completely (n/t) MadrasT Feb 2013 #48
Saying 'illegal aliens' is very non-progressive JaneyVee Feb 2013 #4
Very true. It legitimizes the concept of "illegal people" backscatter712 Feb 2013 #44
Newt Gingrich's "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control" (1990) johnnyreb Feb 2013 #5
"Can we stop saying pro-life?" JayhawkSD Feb 2013 #9
Here's another NastyRiffraff Feb 2013 #35
George Carlin, perhaps? backscatter712 Feb 2013 #50
3. Wage slave economy Kalidurga Feb 2013 #11
It's Pro Slavery Jasana Feb 2013 #17
Our position isn't left or center left. The Wizard Feb 2013 #12
Excellent! The right-wing is the extremist wing. n/t backscatter712 Feb 2013 #47
Shared resources isn't a good alternative for "the environment." pnwmom Feb 2013 #14
Agree. wickerwoman Feb 2013 #15
Several of these strike me as deliberate attempts to obfuscate, in some cases dangerously so. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2013 #18
Gun safety has to be about controlling guns, it is essential to it. It is a fantasy to think we can CTyankee Feb 2013 #20
I think some of these terms are partly accurate. hughee99 Feb 2013 #30
I absolutely object to the term "illegal alien" or worse, calling them "illegals". backscatter712 Feb 2013 #49
I think there's a scale from "illegal immigrant" to "illegal alien" to "illegal". Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2013 #53
Aw, shoot -- I was hoping "speak truth to power" was on here somewhere. Brickbat Feb 2013 #19
"unelected government" to refer to big bidness... yonder Feb 2013 #22
Entitlements: rrneck Feb 2013 #23
That's good. eom Blanks Feb 2013 #29
I think earned-benefits is the best frame. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #45
I think we earn profit. rrneck Feb 2013 #52
Gun Regulation KamaAina Feb 2013 #27
Not surprising Liberalagogo Feb 2013 #31
i prefer late comers for illegals. we just got here earlier. unless you are native americans pansypoo53219 Feb 2013 #32
Though there is disagreement about the terms to use, this is a very important idea. Squinch Feb 2013 #33
Instead of Republican: Be more apropos, "use shit eating crazed scum bag.." but only Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #34
Well said texshelters Feb 2013 #36
Reponsibility rickyhall Feb 2013 #40
Entitlements ARE "earned benefits" duffyduff Feb 2013 #41
K&R! Framing is very important! backscatter712 Feb 2013 #46
Thanks ashling! n/t Cha Feb 2013 #51

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
1. Once and for all-
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:22 AM
Feb 2013

Can we stop saying pro-life?! It's a personal pet peeve- one of their most successful word spins and it makes me crazy. We are all pro-life- otherwise we would be pro-death. Every time I hear someone say it I correct them- (anti-choice). A great example of how brilliant they are with messaging.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
3. I really think forced-birthing is a much more accurate description
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:42 AM
Feb 2013

When you are against sex education, birth control, and abortion, you are for state sanctioned forced birthing.

Jasana

(490 posts)
16. You're on the right track but...
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 03:40 AM
Feb 2013

I'll just call it for what it really is: Pro Slavery

In this day and age with so many contraceptives available, a woman can make an informed decision about whether she wants to give birth. Take that all away from her and she becomes nothing but a slave. Repubs don't like contraception. They most certainly don't want to pay for it. They've made their positions clear. So...

Think about it... if you have no control over the functions of your biological body then there is no such thing as freedom. You are nothing but a slave. Slaving births for the government. Slaving births for the christian god. Slaving births for uncaring husbands (and even caring husbands who don't want more children.) Slaving births for the cheap contractive because it broke. Slaving births for rapes.

Stop calling them pro-life. It's the furtherest thing from the truth. They are Pro Slavery.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
10. And I have major problems with "shared resources"
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:11 AM
Feb 2013

If you google for the definition of resource, you get "A stock or supply of money, materials, staff, and other assets that can be drawn on by a person or organization in order to function."

That's not what the environment is. It's not a kind of warehouse full of stuff to be drawn on at will. It's both it's own thing and performs an essential planetary function.

So ditch that one. It sends entirely the wrong message.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
13. How about
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:47 AM
Feb 2013

"biospheric elements" or "biospheric components"?

As a life-long activist for all things natural and having to do with ecosystem health, I have an issue with the term "environmentalist" because is originated as a semi-derogatory term invented by a seriously biased media decades ago and is always an eye-roller or absolute turn-off switch for a large number of people who are tired of the propaganda related to the term by the corporate media.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
21. I just don't see any reason to not say "environment"
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:58 AM
Feb 2013

In very large majorities, the public believes in protecting the environment. You don't change the name when you are winning.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
42. I'm taking to calling them the Cruelty Party.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:39 PM
Feb 2013

That seems to be a good frame for what the Republicans do.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
24. Anti legal-choice is more accurate
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:53 PM
Feb 2013

choice IS legal and the "pro-lifers" are against that legal choice.

They are surely NOT pro life, since they go out of their way to deny things necessary to life for the ones who are born poor..

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
28. How about...
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 01:38 PM
Feb 2013

Pro-Mind Your Own Business.

And the flip side

Anti-Stick Your Nose Into Other People's Business.

I'm not sure why someone's pregnancy is anybody's business except the family.

Maybe not even all of them.

Pro-life folk should be putting an end to war.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
2. Some of this just plays into the RW agenda
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:39 AM
Feb 2013

Why should welfare and entitlements be dirty words that we can't use anymore? What's wrong with the idea that the most unfortunate among us shouldn't have to eat out of garbage cans to survive? I'm more in favor of calling people assholes who use those words in the pejorative. That's exactly what they are. Reinventing new words for the same thing just gives said assholes a new target to focus while making new charges of "political correctness" against those who use the new terms.

As far as the BS terms like "Right-to-Work" go, those on the left have been calling them what they are since day one.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
25. Right to work = Anti union wages & benefits
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:57 PM
Feb 2013

and anti job-security

The whole right to work schtick has been sold by our media as a GOOD thing..,.,something that creates jobs, but they never tell the other side of the story..

$20hr family-supporting jobs cannibalized from one state and morphed into fire-at-will $8hr jobs doing the same thing in a poor, bottom of the barrel state, is NOT a fair-tradeoff

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
43. Another frame for unionization: Democracy for the Workplace.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:44 PM
Feb 2013

Because of those defacto unelected governments known as corporations that wield power over us, we have to bind together in order to get some negotiating pressure. The first time I've ever walked into a union hall, I noticed that right on the wall, displayed by an American flag and a copy of the US Constitution was the union bylaws, which detailed the democratic elections of its leaders.

So. What does a union do? It brings democracy to the workplace. Through unionization, people gained a voice to use when dealing with de-facto unelected governments, and using that voice, they've gained workplace safety, overtime pay, the 40 hour work week, better wages, protection from arbitrary and capricious firings, intimidation. Not perfect protection - the corporate dictatorships are trying harder than ever to reassert totalitarian power over employees, but it's through unions that we have what we've got.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
44. Very true. It legitimizes the concept of "illegal people"
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:46 PM
Feb 2013

It's dehumanizing and is almost always used as a fig leaf for racism.

Which means I'm likely to bite the head off anyone who uses the term "illegals" to refer to people. It sets off my bigotry alarm instantly.

johnnyreb

(915 posts)
5. Newt Gingrich's "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control" (1990)
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 01:03 AM
Feb 2013

Democrats should be aware of:

Newt Gingrich's "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control" (1990)

google: Language: A Key Mechanism of Control
http://www.google.com/search?q=Language:+A+Key+Mechanism+of+Control

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
9. "Can we stop saying pro-life?"
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 01:50 AM
Feb 2013

Indeed, since almost all "pro-lifers" are in favor of capitel punishment.

My favorite put down, and I can't recall now who said it, is "Let's just say that life begins at erection and be done with it."

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
35. Here's another
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:34 PM
Feb 2013

Quoting, but I don't remember who said/wrote it about the anti-choicers: "Life begins at conception and ends at birth."

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
50. George Carlin, perhaps?
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:05 AM
Feb 2013


And there's another great frame.

"pro-life" is actually Anti-Woman. They believe a woman's primary function is to act as a brood-mare for the state.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
11. 3. Wage slave economy
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:19 AM
Feb 2013

7. Forced birth. They are even trying to pass laws that would make some form or rather most forms of contraception illegal.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
14. Shared resources isn't a good alternative for "the environment."
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 03:01 AM
Feb 2013

That vague term could include the federal highway system, among other shared resources.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
15. Agree.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 03:08 AM
Feb 2013

Shared resources is also anthropocentric. It puts people as consumers at the centre of the environment instead of showing how we exist within, are constrained by and are a part of that environment.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
18. Several of these strike me as deliberate attempts to obfuscate, in some cases dangerously so.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 04:38 AM
Feb 2013

I think the one I disagree with most is "undocumented residents" - the issue is not simply that people come to America without filling in all the necessary paperwork, but that they do so in deliberate direct defiance of the law; trying to take the word "illegal" out of the discussion is trying to obfuscate rather than enlighten, and while it may help win the political debate if the people you're debating with are dumb, it's still not something we should stoop to. "Illegal immigrants" isn't a loaded or biased term, it's a fair and accurate description (although I don't approve of shortening it to just "illegals", as I've sometimes seen done).

Several of the others are likewise extremely misleading, in some ways dangerously so - if you talk about "earned benefits", you're playing into the hands of those who want to take them away from e.g. new immigrants, people who have never been employed or paid tax, etc, who haven't "earned" them. The point is that in a civilized society no-one - even those who haven't "earned" it - should starve to death. That said, "entitlements" is also a loaded and not terribly illuminating term.

Referring to the environment as "shared resources" will just lead to people looking at you in puzzlement as they try to work out what you're talking about. Ditto with "unelected government".

"Gun safety" is already a thing; it's not the same as "gun control" - one is having guns and taking steps to reduce the risk they pose to those around you, the other is not having guns.

And "socialised risk, privatised profits" is a genuine issue of concern, but it's not a synonym for "free market capitalism".



I do agree that "pro-life" and "right to work" are both misleading phrases we should be avoiding, though.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
20. Gun safety has to be about controlling guns, it is essential to it. It is a fantasy to think we can
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:55 AM
Feb 2013

have all the guns we want and still be safe. "Public safety" has to include making more guns less available, if not scarce. But if we automatically default into swooning on our couch with a "ah, me, nothing can be done..." attitude, it won't happen. It just won't.

It is time for gun people here on DU to face the fact that when they intone the Heller decision as some kind of writ from God, they are essentially supporting the extreme right wing of the republican party. Look at the men who decided that case. We are DEMOCRATIC Underground, folks.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
30. I think some of these terms are partly accurate.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 01:54 PM
Feb 2013

"earned benefits" for example can be a good description of SS or medicare but the umbrella of "entitlement programs" covers many things that are earned as well as some that have no per-existing requirements.

Government spending CAN be "investment in America", but I don't think it necessarily is.

I agree on "undocumented residents", it's an intentional obfuscation of an issue. Why not just go all the way and call them "residents", if you don't care WHY they are undocumented, why do you care about the documentation at all? Why even mention it? I don't have a problem with trying to frame issues in a better light, but I don't think it does our side any good to attempt to hide an issue with euphemisms.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
49. I absolutely object to the term "illegal alien" or worse, calling them "illegals".
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:00 AM
Feb 2013

That's right-wing framing, which we need to call out. And it's dehumanizing - I find the entire concept of illegal people to be abhorrent.

What makes them "illegal"? A bunch of racist douchebags in Congress created a law declaring them to be "illegal".

And this state of "illegality" is mutable. An undocumented resident that has enough money and know-how to get a really good immigration attorney can manage to get a judge to halt any deportation orders, let him have a green card, and eventually let him become a citizen. Of course, if you're "illegal", poor, don't understand the laws, you probably won't be able to pull off this trick, so you've got the threat of arrest, imprisonment and deportation hanging over your head, which your employer uses to keep you hoeing beets in 100 degree weather for $2.00 per hour - get uppity and ICE disappears your ass.

I think a better term is Enslaved Immigrants.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
53. I think there's a scale from "illegal immigrant" to "illegal alien" to "illegal".
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:24 PM
Feb 2013

The first is clearly the best term - it makes it clear precisely what the issue is, and it doesn't imply that it's the existence - as opposed to the immigration - of such people that it illegal.

"Illegal aliens" and "illegals" are both better than "undocumented migrants" or your "enslaved migrants", but neither is a term I'd use or like to see used, because - as you say - they carry connotations that it is not merely a specific action of the person, but their very being, that is illegal. I don't agree with you that they're inherently right-wing framing, but I do think they're suboptimal shorthands.

I laughed out loud at your second paragraph - it's completely right, and clearly not intended to be. What illegal *means* is "against the law" - that is, against the law made by the democratically-elected "racist douchebags" in Congress (and other legislative bodies). The immigration of illegal immigrants is illegal in exactly the same way any illegal act is illegal, and that's the only sense the word "illegal" has - it has nothing to do with any "higher moral law". Until nineteenmumble, it was just as illegal for a black person to ride in the front of a bus as it was to commit murder. By all means argue that there's nothing *morally* wrong with breaking a bad law, but don't conflate that with it not being illegal.

"Enslaved immigrants" is an excellent term for the small but not minute minority of illegal (or occasionally legal) immigrants who are forced into involuntary labour - people-trafficking is a serious problem, as to a lesser extent is economic exploitation of illegal immigrants (although there's a wide range of the latter that doesn't amount to slavery, and shouldn't be hyperbolised as such). Using it to refer to the large majority of illegal immigrants who are not, or to exclude the few legal immigrants who get de facto enslaved, is foolish, however.

There is no term but "illegal immigrants" which accurately and unbiasedly indicates that set of people and no others.

yonder

(9,666 posts)
22. "unelected government" to refer to big bidness...
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:31 PM
Feb 2013

...my favorite by far. After all, who is controlling our culture? Washington or Wall Street/Madison Avenue?

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
45. I think earned-benefits is the best frame.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:50 PM
Feb 2013

Everyone who's worked for a living in this country has paid into Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. We paid for these programs, which means that morally speaking, we have a right to expect to make use of them when we're ready. We earned them.

The term Earned benefits needs to be applied to pensions - there's the idea that pensions are something that aren't real, or are a mere bonus for people if the economy's good. No. If you paid into a pension where you worked, you've earned the right to have the pension pay out when you retire. If your pension isn't there, you've been robbed. Again, you earned it.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
52. I think we earn profit.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:59 PM
Feb 2013

We are entitled to a basic existence. Income disparity happens when the haves are able to tell the have nots what they have to do for the haves to be haves themselves. The wealthy have unlimited power to raise the bar of effort for their own enrichment. That's why necessary services have become the biggest profit centers in our economy. Health care, housing, energy and defense are all profiteering opportunities for those who no longer have to expend any energy at all for their wealth.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
33. Though there is disagreement about the terms to use, this is a very important idea.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:24 PM
Feb 2013

The Republicans have been using this crap against Democrats for years.

Hands down that we should replace "entitlements" - which implies something we didn't earn - with earned benefits. They ARE, after all, earned benefits. I am not entitled to it, I paid into it for my whole working life, trusted that it would be invested for me as I was promised, and I want my money back.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
34. Instead of Republican: Be more apropos, "use shit eating crazed scum bag.." but only
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:26 PM
Feb 2013

in polite company.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
40. Reponsibility
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:04 PM
Feb 2013

They used to call Entitlements Responsibility - Responsibility to our children, our elders, our people, etc.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
41. Entitlements ARE "earned benefits"
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:12 PM
Feb 2013

That is what an "entitlement" IS. You paid into it, you are entitled to receive it.

It is not welfare which is means-tested.

For crying out loud, I wish this nonsense would stop.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
46. K&R! Framing is very important!
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:51 PM
Feb 2013

If we can't master the art of framing our arguments, the Cruelty Party will drink our milkshakes.

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