Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his sister Rory Kennedy told Charlie Rose that their father, the Attorney General of the United States, Robert F. Kennedy, believed there was a conspiracy behind the death of his brother, President John F. Kennedy. For the first time in almost 50 years, members of the slain president's family were on the record about their father's thoughts about the assassination.
The story made news, as it were, for a day or two -- it was on page 8 here in Detroit (try finding it using The Free Press or Detroit News web site search engines) -- and apart from several threads on DU, that's about it as coverage goes. The Charlie Rose interview was part of a program put together by the media and good people in Dallas to celebrate JFK's life.
What bothers me about the media coverage is the constant attack, not on the government's lousy investigation of the assassination and its attendant cover-up, but, rather, the attack on anyone who brings up the subject of conspiracy in the death of the president, even when it's children of attorney general who also was the brother of the slain president.
Check out this condescending piece of opinion from the Dallas Observer:
Not Even Charlie Rose Could Rein in RFK Jr. in Dallas Last Night. Also: Conspiracy Theories!
By Betsy Lewis Sat., Jan. 12 2013 at 11:01 AM
It got weird when he went into a historical lecture about his father's investigation into the JFK assassination. He was speaking about it as if he had been part of it, then cited a book called The Unspeakable by Jim Douglas (sic - actually "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" by James Douglass) as being the best book on the subject, then kept referencing things from the book. He was losing the audience, so he burst out, "My father believed that the Warren Report was a shoddy piece of craftsmanship," to the delighted applause of the mostly Baby Boomer audience.
Whenever Charlie Rose would ask about the family, RFK Jr. would evade the question until he heard either delighted Boomer applause or delighted Boomer laughter. One of his responses to a family question was an unrelated story about World War II. A lady behind me who must have recently Netflixed The Iron Lady kept saying, "Here here!" for the benefit of us unfortunate people around her.
Some of the strangest RFK Jr. outbursts with the biggest applause were:
"We're becoming a national security state!" (applause, "Here here!"
"Corporations want profits!" (applause, "Here here!"
"Corporations are great things, but we'd be nuts to let them run our government!" (applause, "Here here!"
"Nationalism in Africa! The end of colonialism!"
At this point, I don't think anyone knew what the hell he was talking about. It was something about the Kennedy family airlifting President Obama's father out of Kenya to begin a new life in America.
RFK Jr.: "Yes."
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http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/mixmaster/2013/01/charlie_rose_live_the_kennedy.php
Me, I don't believe any of that stuff was "out there." Why writer Betsy Lewis chooses to believe what the media tell her is true I'll guess lies in allegiance to a pay check.
Likewise for the lack of coverage given the story in the national media, where the same few corporations that swore up and down there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, both in 1990 and 2002, now want no part of "conspiracy talk" during the 50th anniversary observance. So far, as far as I'm aware, the Charlie Rose program has not aired.
What's more telling is what didn't get noted in the nation's corrupt mass media at all: The fact that Attorney General and later Senator Robert F. Kennedy also was assassinated. Some think that was a coincidence, because the mass media told them so. One thing's for certain, the questions still surrounding the deaths of two liberal icons doesn't get discussed at all today in our supposedly "free press."
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...than perfect conditions and under a great deal of stress.
I guess you're unaware that the FBI firearms experts refused to fire LHO's rifle until certain repairs were made to the bolt (it did not work smoothly and tended to stick), the scope (which was loose to the point of being useless), and the trigger mechanism (which had, in effect a two-stage unpredictable pull). The Army guys got the rifle that was completely repaired and in good working order.
All of the other tests you referenced in your post were conducted with the limo proceeding on a prearranged straight and level path allowing predictable lead times by the test shooters. Just my opinion, but those were tests designed to attempt to fool the American people into thinking the Warren Commission Report was correct in their findings. If you believe the Government and the MSM is incapable of being deceptive, I have some waterfront property to sell you in the Everglades.
JFK's limo had actually slowed while turning left onto Elm Street and then picked up speed as it proceeded downhill first around a curve to the right, and then around a curve to the right. Changing speed, elevation, and direction create the conditions for a difficult shot at best.
Additionally, a tree on the TSBD side of Elm Street would have blocked the line of sight from the alleged TSBD "sniper's nest" for a significant period of time which would have forced the shooter to wait before firing the first shot. What then are we to make of JFK's reaction at Zapruder frame 143 when he clearly begins reacting to a wound at a time when the back of his head was blocked by the tree on Elm Street? Note the white shirt cuff of JFK's right arm being raised to his throat, and his elbow extended out to his right.
...a radar operator tracking U-2 flights in and out of the country. His clearance was one of the highest levels granted at that time. He also stood guard duty around the U-2 hangers.
Or how about his "defection" to the Soviet Union? Does anyone really believe we would have allowed anyone with his knowledge of U-2 flight ops to go to the Soviet Union? Upon his return, he brought back a wife who was a Soviet citizen, but no questions were asked. If he had truly been a defector to the Soviet Union, why was he allowed back into the US?
Then there was the curious matter of his so-called work for a supposed pro-Castro Cuban organization in New Orleans using leaflets that were traced back to a company that did printing work for the CIA.
And how about that funny little Minox camera found among his belongings following the assassination of JFK?
And finally, what was the true nature of his relationship with White Russian oil geologist George de Mohrenschildt who we later discovered was a CIA contract agent? And what should we make of Poppy Bush's name and phone number found in George de Mohrenschildt's address book?
So many questions about Oswald, even to this day.
Two seconds after you have him being shot in the throat, he's waving again. Guess the bullet didn't bother him that much.
Look out the window someday? Yeah like since when can anyone do that now? It's been closed off for years by the TSB Museum up there. Closed off da... lol ... like the late Bill Hicks says at about 30 seconds into this video, he might teach you something da. ... lol.
"Look out the window someday" ... not Logical ... not possible for quite awhile now da but if you kept up on what's relevant to this you would know that, but you obviously don't. 
Might be allowing a comedian to think for you. Think for yourself. In the long run it will be better for you.
When JFK's head was hit, it snapped forward.
The "back and to the left" motion started two frames later and it shows acceleration, neither of which can be explained as momentum transfer from the bullet, because that only happened while the bullet was passing through the head. For five decades now, we've had to not only listen to bullshit imaginary "physics" from people who haven't even looked at the film closely, but then be insulted as "ankle biters" for simply pointing out how idiotic their claims are.
The only head that snapped forward was JFK's:
Furthermore, once you know it's there, the forward snap is easy to see when watching the film in real-time. Try it.
Beyond any reasonable doubt, the Zapruder film shows JFK getting hit from behind.
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I heard him speak at my alma mater, Wayne State University in 2007.
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. called George W Bush "that sonofabitch" and said the guy was a crook, turning over the government to the lobbyists and gangsters who've emptied our Treasury, polluted our water, land, air and children, and used humanity as cannon fodder and slave labor.
He also pegged ABCNNBCBSFoxNoiseNutwork for what they are. Among other things, he called Antonin Scalia the son of a Nazi and explained why. I would've taken notes, but I wanted to hear everything the guy said.
As for the rest of your "facts," Archae, you need to do some more reading. Start with the writings of law professor Donald E. Wilkes:
DESTINY BETRAYED:
THE CIA, OSWALD, AND
THE JFK ASSASSINATION
Published in Flagpole Magazine, p. 8 (Dec. 7, 2005).
Author: Donald E. Wilkes, Jr., Professor of Law, University of Georgia School of Law.
In place of the strong sense of faith in man and mankind, we now have a heavy feeling of a failed mission, of destiny betrayed and unfulfilled. – Rav Alex Israel
The deepest cover story of the CIA is that it is an intelligence organization. – Bulletin of the Federation of American Scientists
Today, 42 years after President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963, few responsible researchers who have studied JFK’s murder accept the Warren Commission’s main conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, committed the crime. (The Warren Commission was the body appointed by President Lyndon B. Johnson to investigate the Kennedy assassination; it released its Report in September 1964.) As these researchers have shown again and again in scores of books and articles, evidence available to the Commission but improperly evaluated, erroneously rejected, or simply not pursued by that body, together with new evidence unavailable to the Commission, discredits the principal finding of the Warren Report. JFK’s death was, these researchers believe, carried out by a conspiracy; it was not the act of a lone assassin. Different researchers, however, have different conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theorists also disagree about Oswald: some maintain that he was simply one of the conspirators; others claim that, while he was a member of the conspiracy, he was also unknowingly a dupe of the other conspirators who intended for him to be the fall guy; and still other theorists think that Oswald was a wholly innocent person set up by the conspirators as the patsy. Furthermore, the theorists who regard Oswald as a conspirator disagree as to whether he fired any of the shots in Dealey Plaza.
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The theory that JFK’s murder was engineered by the CIA (or by persons affiliated with the CIA), and that the CIA covered up its connections to the murder, warrants serious consideration and should not be peremptorily rejected. In the 1960’s the CIA more resembled an untouchable crime syndicate than a legitimate government entity. Lavishly but secretly funded, unrestrained by public opinion, cloaked in secrecy, conducting whatever foreign or domestic clandestine operations it wished without regard to laws or morals, and specializing in deception, falsification, and mystification, the CIA was riddled at all levels with ruthless, cynical officials and employees who believed that they were above the law, that any means were justified to accomplish the goals they set for themselves, and that insofar as their surreptitious activities were concerned it was justifiable to lie with impunity to anyone, even presidents and legislators. Many of these individuals, thinking he was soft on communism, that he would reduce the size of the military industrial complex, and that he was to blame for the Bay of Pigs disaster (the failed CIA-sponsored invasion of Cuba in 1961), hated and despised Kennedy. The CIA routinely circumvented and defied attempts by the executive and legislative branches to monitor its activities. It was involved in innumerable unlawful or outrageous activities. It illegally opened the mail of Americans. It interfered with free elections in foreign countries and arranged to destabilize or overthrow the governments of other countries. It plotted the murder of various foreign leaders. It arranged to hire the Mafia to help with some of these proposed murder plots. It unlawfully stored–in quantities, UGA political science professor Loch K. Johnson notes, sufficient “to destroy the population of a small city”–exotic toxic agents, including cobra venom and shellfish toxin, for the purpose of committing murders. It manufactured and used sinister lethal weaponry, including what Prof. Johnson calls “the ultimate murder weapon,” an electric handgun (the CIA called it a “noise-free disseminator”) with a telescopic sight which could noiselessly and accurately fire poison-tipped darts (the CIA called them “nondiscernible microbioinoculators”) up to a distance of 250 feet. It undoubtedly carried out multiple secret murders and other heinous crimes which it successfully kept hidden. Furthermore, it is now firmly established that after the JFK assassination the CIA simultaneously lied to, and withheld important information from, the Warren Commission.
One of the first serious investigators to raise credible claims that CIA operatives or ex-CIA operatives were involved in the JFK assassination was Jim Garrison, who served as the district attorney in New Orleans, Louisiana from 1962 to 1974. (A brief chronology of Garrison’s life and investigation is set forth at the end of this article.) Garrison and his office investigated the assassination for about five years, from late 1966 until early 1971. His investigation led Garrison to believe that, regardless of whoever actually fired the shots in Dealey Plaza, the assassination was the result of a plot hatched in New Orleans by persons with CIA connections. Furthermore, Garrison concluded, following the assassination the CIA engaged in a coverup to protect itself and the assassins. Garrison brought to trial the only criminal proceeding in which someone was actually charged with involvement in the JFK assassination. Garrison wrote two important books, the first published in 1970, the second in 1988, in which he recounted his investigation and shared the important new facts he had discovered.
In the words of journalist Fred Powledge, who wrote a magazine article on Garrison published in 1967, Garrison thought that “the assassins were CIA employees who were angered at President Kennedy’s posture on Cuba following the Bay of Pigs disaster, and that the CIA was frustrating his investigation, although the agency knew the whereabouts of the assassins.” Philosophy professor Richard H. Popkin, in another magazine article published in 1967, summarized Garrison’s views on the assassination as follows: “The thesis Garrison has set forth is that a group of New Orleans-based, anti-Castroites, supported and/or encouraged by the CIA in their anti-Castro activities, in the late summer or early fall of 1963 conspired to assassinate John F. Kennedy. This group, according to Garrison, included (Clay) Shaw, (David) Ferrie, (Lee Harvey) Oswald, ... and others, including Cuban exiles and American anti-Castroites.... (T)heir plan was executed in Dallas on November 22, 1963. At least part of their motivation ... was their reaction to Kennedy’s decisions at the Bay of Pigs and the changes in U.S. policy toward Cuba following the missiles crisis of 1962.”
In a 1967 interview, Garrison himself phrased his basic conclusions this way: “(A) number of the men who killed the President were former employees of the CIA involved in its anti-Castro underground activities in and around New Orleans.... We must assume that the plotters were acting on their own rather than on CIA orders when they killed the President. As far as we been able to determine, they were not on the pay of the CIA at the time of the assassination.... The CIA could not face up to the American people and admit that its former employees had conspired to assassinate the President, so from the moment Kennedy’s heart stopped beating, the Agency attempted to sweep the whole conspiracy under the rug.... In this respect, it has become an accessory after the fact in the assassination.”
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http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/jfk_22destiny.html
Prof. Wilkes' bibiliography is an excellent survey of what was available at the time of his writing that article. Several new works have been published since. I'll try to get back and recommend them to you when I get the time.
Remember: Readers are leaders. Those who believe the tee vee go along with wars in Iraq and Vietnam and wherever else its profitable.
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Here's Dan Hopsicker's story about how he got the photo and what it means:
May 6 2006--Venice,FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker
Deposed CIA head Porter Goss was once a member of the CIA's super-secret Operation 40, an assassination squad which roamed through North and Central America during the 1960's.
Along with a number of men whose names became famous and whose lives and careers comprise a large part of America’s Secret History, Goss appears (see a comparison) in the historic photograph at right, which also appears on the cover of "Barry & 'the boys': The CIA, the Mob, and America's Secret History."
It is the only extant photograph of the members of Operation Forty, the CIA’s assassination squad, taken in a Mexico City nightclub in 1963.
Coupled with his close proximity to the terrorist hijackers who used his Congressional District in Charlotte County as one of their main bases of operations, this fact virtually shouts out for closer examination during the post-mortems dissecting his tenure as CIA chief.
When we first saw the photo, it was in the yellowed frame used by nightclub photographers back in the 60's. It bore the name of a nightclub (La Reforma) in Mexico City, and was stamped with a date, January 22, 1963, ten months to the day before the Kennedy assassination.
"Guido, meet the General. General, meet Guido."
The Mexico City nightclub photo reveals a mixed group of Cuban exiles, Italian wise guys, and square-jawed military intelligence types. It was discovered among keepsakes kept in the safe of the widow of CIA pilot and drug smuggler Barry Seal, where it was overlooked by a 7-man team from the U.S. State Department which showed up at her house in 1995 to comb through her records.
Barry Seal had been recruited at the age of 17, along with Lee Oswald, by CIA agent David Ferrie, at a two week summer camp of the Louisiana Civil Air Patrol in 1957. Much Much More: http://www.madcowprod.com/05072006.html
In that photo above: Porter Goss (and Barry Seal!)
This Porter Goss:
He served for a time as the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. Goss was a co-sponsor of the USA PATRIOT Act and was a co-chair of the Joint 9/11 Intelligence Inquiry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Goss
At that September 11 meeting were three lawmakers Bob Graham, Porter Goss and Jon Kyl who were part of the Congressional delegation to Pakistan. Also present at this meeting were Pakistan’s ambassador to the U.S. Maleeha Lodhi and several members of the Senate and House Intelligence committees. This meeting was described by one press report as a “follow-up meeting” to that held in Pakistan in late August.
After the Capitol meeting, Porter Goss went to the Pentagon where he is seen being interviewed, on camera, by the mainstream US media, while the attack sequence was still being played out. This video gives us some evidence regarding what happened at the Pentagon, as Goss was speaking: There is a distant boom, and people in camerashot turn around and gasp. Then, a minute later, we hear the sound of a large commercial plane flying full throttle, engines screaming, and people look towards where the sound is coming from. There were TWO events at the Pentagon that morning, and Porter Goss likely knows exactly what happened, and who was responsible – and Phil Marshall was onto Porter Goss.
Watch it (before youtube pulls it, yet again).
From Bloggulator santabarbaraview.com/
Is that an explosion before the whine of the Jet?
Is that the Jet whine from Flt 77?
Operation 40
Gosh. That does look like Porter Goss, in profile, with an arm around a laughing Felix "I got Che's Rolex and a lot of Iran-Contra action, too" Rodriguez, next to Barry "Call Poppy direct" Seal. To think a group of hired killers or mercenaries could rise into positions of power is so un-American as to be laughable. Yet, scum rising to the surface of the pond is the order of the last 49 years. So, in honor of coincidence, a DU reprint:
Know your BFEE: WikiLeaks Stratfor Dump Exposes Continued Secret Government Warmongering
War is big business. It's an insider's game. It's why we have so much secret government.
The last remaining enormous wads of cash in the Treasury are to be had for purchasing today's modern military industrial intel complex.
There's more than a trillion to be grabbed -- just for the Lockheed-Martin F-35.
Now keeping tabs on us -- people interested in using some of the nation's treasure for more peaceful purposes -- are for-hire spies. How do I know this? Julian Assange and Anonymous:
WikiLeaks' Stratfor Dump Lifts Lid on Intelligence-Industrial Complex
WikiLeaks' latest release, of hacked emails from Stratfor, shines light on the murky world of private intelligence-gathering
by Pratap Chatterjee
Published on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 by The Guardian/UK
What price bad intelligence? Some 5m internal emails from Stratfor, an Austin, Texas-based company that brands itself as a "global intelligence" provider, were recently obtained by Anonymous, the hacker collective, and are being released in batches by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowing website, starting Monday.
The most striking revelation from the latest disclosure is not simply the military-industrial complex that conspires to spy on citizens, activists and trouble-causers, but the extremely low quality of the information available to the highest bidder. Clients of the company include Dow Chemical, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon, as well as US government agencies like the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Marines.
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Assange notes that Stratfor is also seeking to profit directly from this information by partnering in an apparent hedge-fund venture with Shea Morenz, a former Goldman Sachs managing director. He points to an August 2011 document, marked "DO NOT SHARE OR DISCUSS", from Stratfor CEO George Friedman, which says:
"What StratCap will do is use our Stratfor's intelligence and analysis to trade in a range of geopolitical instruments, particularly government bonds, currencies and the like."
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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/02/28-10?print
If it weren't for Anonymous and WikiLeaks, we probably wouldn't know about any of that.
It's no joke. It's no unimportant story. It's no boring history. Run by insiders, the secret government is key to making the system run on behalf of the few -- the 1-percent of 1-percent. Central to that is intelligence -- economically, politically and military useful information.
Which brings up the nation's purported free press, the only business mentioned by name in the entire United States Constitution, and how the organizations therein have miserably failed to feature prominently the sundry and myriad ways the insiders on Wall Street and their toadies in Washington do the work for Them.
The problem is systemic. The corruption is systemic.
Because it involves oversight of secret organizations -- the Pentagon, Homeland Security, CIA, etc -- Congress and the Administration often have no clue, let alone oversight, to what is happening because the corruption is marked "Top Secret."
Secret government also means We the People can't do our job as citizens, which is to hold them accountable and find the ones responsible in order to vote the crooks out and, it is hoped, the honest ones in.
With no citizen oversight, anything goes. And it doesn't stop.
Remember this fine fellow, US Navy fighter ace Randy "Duke" Cunningham?
Later a member of the United States Congress, he used his position to feather his nest, Big Time.
In his political career, Cunningham was a member of the Appropriations and Intelligence committees, and chaired the House Intelligence Subcommittee on Human Intelligence Analysis and Counterintelligence during the 109th Congress. He was considered a leading Republican expert on national security issues.
Currently, he's in USP Tuscon or another fine facility where he gets three squares, medical and dental.
He's due for release in a year or so. He'll be able to pick up his pension.
"The Duke Cunningham Act, also known as the Federal Pension Forfeiture Act, was introduced by U.S. Senator John F. Kerry in 2006. The bill would have denied pension benefits to any members of Congress convicted of bribery, conspiracy or perjury. The bill died in committee. (Source: The Press Enterprise)
Duke wasn't alone. He really was just one snake in a long line of snakes. Remember Dusty Foggo, Number 3 at CIA and close associate of CIA Director and former Congressman Porter Goss? Swells sitting atop the peak of political and military secrecy and power.
Unfortunately, when it comes to modern governance, no oversight means means the insiders are getting away with murder, and warmongering and treason and all the power that they bring. Appointed pretzeldent George W Bush on Valentine's Day 2007 put it in words: "Money trumps peace."
Secret government warmongering and war profiteering are systemic. Secret government is rotten to the core. What's more, in a democracy that once really was land of the free and home of the brave, secret government poses the greatest threat to true national security.
Who was he friends with that was connected to the mob?
http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/articles/2005_june_16.html
He hasn't retracted that article, even after all the corrections that Salon had to print.
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within days of its commission, and for which there has never been one legitimate or credible speck of evidence to debunk the findings of the first investigative body that looked into it.
And she used the wrong word numerous times.
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The official voice of the Republikkkon Party also seems the official voice of Big Media:
ABC and the rise of Rush Limbaugh
The other thing the great Carl Bernstein reported should've got him another Pulitzer:
The CIA and the Media
His old paper still hits a homer on occasion, most recently on how the Government has privatized Secret Government:
Top Secret America: A Hidden World.
America's mass media were virtually silent about that series, too.
And that is why our nation creeps, literally and figuratively, rightward toward the "national security state" Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. described to Charlie Rose.
PS: This post really has four things everyone should know about Corporate McPravda.
It's big news on Yahoo.com right now ... not to discount Whitney's legacy, loved her music etc ... but come on. I wasn't even aware of some extortion attempt to do with her in 1992? Not something think I will investigate further, unlike the CIA documents to do with the JFK assassination others have been after for the last 50 years ... Not News.
For what it's worth Whitney Link here ... News ... cheers 
http://music.yahoo.com/news/fbi-releases-whitney-houston-records-213550270-rolling-stone.html
because it's less then 4 paragraphs long which is allowed by DU rules, with emphasis added by me on the so called 'important parts'. In my humble opinion the only relevant part of the article is in the middle ... '100 greatest singers and a link'
The FBI has released its records regarding three investigations conducted by the bureau on behalf of Whitney Houston. The files show the FBI investigated an alleged extortion attempt in 1992 but determined no crime occurred. Agents also looked into possible criminal threats against Houston in fan mail sent to the FBI in 1988 and 1999, but found no evidence of the threats.
>>>>100 Greatest Singers: Whitney Houston (some link in the middle of the page (commercial), which I think is the basis of this 'news' to take you elsewhere and take up more of your valuable time, and I bet will try to sell you something
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According to the Associated Press, the 128-page file doesn't contain any new personal details of the late singer. Though Houston was interviewed at the New Jersey offices of her management company regarding the extortion attempt, the FBI's records on the investigation are heavily redacted.
Houston was found dead on February 11th, 2012. Her death was ruled an accidental drowning, but authorities also said her death was complicated by cocaine use and heart disease.
I think the reason this so called 'story' and many like it makes headlines is because if you were even in the most remote possibility mindful of it or not , would at least deflect you to an add or make you buy some music, or deflect you to some ad etc... etc... It is so obvious, yikes. Sorry folks but this is not 'News' Imho ... but another way of dumbing down of society and trying to sell you something ... there just is no news here none whatsoever. And stuff like this is all over the internet and in the MSM, what a sad absurdity ... sigh carry on. http://music.yahoo.com/news/fbi-releases-whitney-houston-records-213550270-rolling-stone.html
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ps: big surprise there, the FBI found nothing, or said they didn't ... like that's even news lol. Peace.
Some even believe Oswald may have been a hero!
"As for Oswald, I don't know if he was a hero in all this or not."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2232672
That's what happens when you fall too far into the woo chamber, I suppose.
... does not make the slightest difference to you. In what passes for "reasoning" in you head, even pointing out that it's full of bullshit is another "reason" to think it's true.
... "stories told to them by figures of authority."
MOST -- almost all, actually -- of what we know about the events that conspiracists love to fantasize about comes from ordinary citizens and career civil service people, and from the evidence, not from "stories told to them by figures of authority." It's just a necessary part of conspiracists' fantasies to believe that all those people are just flying monkeys who willingly do the bidding of the omnipotent "figures of authority," and that all the evidence was faked. For some strange reason, the "figures of authority" can't assassinate anyone or blow up buildings without having a hoard of these flying monkeys to carry out and cover up pointlessly complicated hoaxes and create mountains of fake evidence. Why that's necessary is never even considered, much less explained.
You "have no idea what happened that day" but it's completely inconceivable to you that the Warren Commission got it right when they reached the only conclusion that can be supported by the credible evidence?
No, I don't know for certain what happened that day, but I do have some idea how rational people arrive at their best estimation: It's called "evidence-based reasoning." As we just discovered, you're okay with Stone and hundreds of other conspiracy hucksters spreading bullshit, and then you want to claim validation simply by counting how many people have fallen for it?
I literally laughed out loud when you suggested that a trial might have the slightest impact on conspiracists. That's because conspiracists aren't "asking questions"; They are trying to sell "answers" that they can't substantiate. Anyone who is genuinely interested in getting at the truth would welcome attempts to weed out the bullshit, but no, such efforts just make conspiracists apoplectic. The one and only thing they seem to care about is how many people believe what they believe.
You jumped into this thread by claiming that only "right wingers" challenge the bullshit that conspiracy hucksters are selling and then you hypocritically started whining about "name callers" trying to "bully" people into silence. Maybe you could use a new strategy, too, but let's be clear about this: I don't give a damn about what conspiracists believe, only about what they try to sell to others without substantiation, and I wouldn't waste one minute trying to change your mind.
Here's a factoid for you: In 42 years of voting in every election cycle, I've never once voted for any Republican. That means I have unequivocal proof that your intuition is not nearly as reliable as you seem to think it is. Get over yourself.
> That was in 1964, before the Warren Commission report was published.
Ah. So there's no chance he was basing his speculation on incomplete or inaccurate information, so his claims about things like the paraffin tests must be correct. And if the Warren Commission reached a different conclusion than Russel, that proves they were covering up.
Nope, that's not how it works, Octafish. If Russel rejected the "single bullet theory" then yes, he rejected geometry. If he believes JFK throat wound was from the front, then he either believed JFK was shot from inside the limo or he rejected geometry.
Smart people are just as capable of deluding themselves as anyone else, maybe more so. The issue remains: Can you or can you not PROVE there was a conspiracy to kill JFK. After 50 years, the apparent answer is no.
The evidence shows President Kennedy was struck by a bullet in the back, not the neck.
Gerald Ford's Terrible Fiction
Moving the Back Wound and the Single Bullet Theory
Read Gerald Ford's correction to the Warren Commission Report Draft:
page 1 page 2
The initial draft of the report stated:
"A bullet had entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder to the right of the spine."
Ford wanted it to read:
"A bullet had entered the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine."
Autopsy Face Sheet
Drawing showing area of back wound
JFK assassination eye-witnesses, including the observations of at least one Secret Service man in Dealey Plaza and several FBI agents present at the Bethesda autopsy, placed the president's back wound exactly where the mute testimony of the president's jacket and shirt showed where the wound was: six inches below the collar line.
CONTINUED w DOCUMENTS, EVIDENCE, LINKS...
http://jfklancer.com/Ford-Rankin.html
We don't have to guess where it was by looking at the shirt:
I'm pretty sure you know why Ford said he changed the wording -- '"My changes were only an attempt to be more precise" -- and I'm sure you have no interest in my opinion that, looking at the photo, his description is indeed more precise.
I'm also pretty sure you know what the HSCA concluded after re-examining all the available evidence and specifically considering all of the claims made by conspriracists.
If you want to ignore the evidence and/or claim it was faked, you need a better reason than it spoils your conspiracy fantasies. What is it?
When challenged about specific assertions, just make some more and link to articles as if they are proof. "Proof by exhaustion" -- of the reader.
I assume this tangent means you accept my analysis that conspiracists need to declare that the photo is fake, despite having no reason other than it tells a different story than the one they want to sell. Even though it does show that the wound was at the "base of the neck," obviously only an "FBI stooge" would say so. Now we can move on to declaring that if Ford reached a different conclusion than you, he must have been obstructing justice and part of the conspiracy -- facts be damned, since we can just dismiss those when we're dealing with conspiracies.
But that article (hidden away in the Washington Post ) proves no such thing. Once again, innuendo is the best you can do. On and on and on, for fifty years now: The things you claim that appear to be true do not prove a conspiracy, and the things you claim that would prove a conspiracy don't appear to be true.
But who knows what tomorrow will bring.. As I've said before, if you could actually prove your assertions, you won't have to worry about what William Seger believes.
For complete details, read "Act of Treason" by Mark North.
From the article "
hidden away in the Washington Post)" that seems to have never made a blip on the national media radar:
"My dear Congressman:
I want to let you know how much I enjoyed talking to Mrs. Ford and you during the party at DeLoach's home last night. Particularly, I was very pleased to discuss in this informal manner some vital issues of interest to you as well as the FBI. Let me say that I found your observations to be both helpful and germane. It is always encouraging to know that we have alert, vigorous Congressmen, such as you, who are aware of the needs and problems confronting our country, and I wish you every success in meeting your grave responsibilities.
Whenever you have an opportunity, I would be happy to have Mrs. Ford and you drop by FBI Headquarters for a special tour of our facilities, and of course, I would like you to feel free to call on me any time our help is needed or when we can be of service.
With kind personal regards,
Sincerely yours,
J. Edgar Hoover."
SOURCE: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/exclusive_inside_gerald_fords.html
BTW: If I was so wrong, you wouldn't find it necessary to respond to my posts.
As for what you write or think: Please keep a journal and use links for your assertions. It'll make it easy to find all your contributions to DU.
But, they were ordered off at Love Field.
The agent throwing up his hands in apparent disgust upon being ordered off the bumper at Love Field was Donald J. Lawton, not Henry J. Rybka as originally identified by Vince Palamara and repeated by me. The thing is, no one in the nation's mass media have seen fit to air the video or discuss its implications in print. Thank Moon for Palamara and DU.
Hunt's widow and her two children, 27-year-old Austin and 23-year-old Hollis, dismiss the brothers' story, saying it is the result of coaching an old man whose lucidity waxed and waned in his final months.
Kevan bitterly accuses her brothers of "elder abuse," saying they pressured their father for dramatic scenarios for their own financial gain. Hunt's longtime lawyer, Bill Snyder, says: "Howard was just speculating. He had no hard evidence."
Excerpts from the book
JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
by James W. Douglass
Touchstone Books, 2008
pxvi
Our collective denial of the obvious, in the setting up of Oswald and his transparent silencing by Ruby, made possible the Dallas cover-up [of the JFK assassination]. The success of the cover-up was the indispensable foundation for the subsequent murders of Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and Robert Kennedy by the same forces at work in our government - and in ourselves. Hope for change in the world was targeted and killed four times over. The cover-up of all four murders, each leading into the next, was based, first of all, on denial - not the government's but our own.
pxvii
The only trial ever held for [for Martin Luther King's murder] took place in Memphis, only a few blocks from the Lorraine Motel where King was killed. In a wrongful death lawsuit initiated by the King family, seventy witnesses testified over a six-week period. They described a sophisticated government plot that involved the FBI, the CIA, the Memphis Police, Mafia intermediaries, and an Army Special Forces sniper team. The twelve jurors, six black and six white, returned after two and one-half hours of deliberation with a verdict that King had been assassinated by a conspiracy that included agencies of his own government.
pxvii
JFK [John Kennedy] , Malcolm [X], Martin [Luther King], and [RFK [Robert Kennedy] were four proponents of change who were murdered by shadowy intelligence agencies using intermediaries and scapegoats under the cover of "plausible deniability".
pxvii
Our citizen denial provides the ground for the government's doctrine of "plausible deniability". John F. Kennedy's assassination is rooted in our denial of our nation's crimes in World War II that began the Cold War and the nuclear arms race. As a growing precedent to JFK's assassination by his own national security state, we U.S. citizens supported our government when it destroyed whole cities (Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki), when it protected our Cold War security by world-destructive weapons, and when it carried out the covert murders of foreign leaders with "plausible deniability" in a way that was obvious to critical observers.
pxxvi
June 10, 1963: President Kennedy delivers his Commencement Address at American University in Washington proposing, in effect, an end to the Cold War. Rejecting the goal of "a Pax Americana enforced on the world by "American weapons of war," Kennedy asks Americans to reexamine their attitudes toward war, especially in relation to the people of the Soviet Union, who suffered incomparable losses in World War II.
pxxviii
October 11, 1963: President Kennedy issues National Security Action Memorandum 263, making official government policy the withdrawal from Vietnam of "1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963" and "by the end of 1965 ... the bulk of U.S. personnel."
p33
The national security doctrine of "plausible deniability" combined lying with hypocrisy. It marked the creation of a Frankenstein monster.
Plausible deniability encouraged the autonomy of the CIA and other covert-action ("intelligence" agencies from the government that created them. In order to protect the visible authorities of the government from protest and censure, the CIA was authorized not only to violate international law but to do so with as little consultation as possible. CIA autonomy went hand in glove with plausible deniability. The less explicit an order from the president, the better it was for "plausible deniability".
p36
The military-industrial complex was totally dependent on "a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war." That Pax Americana policed by the Pentagon was considered the system's indispensable, hugely profitable means of containing and defeating Communism. At great risk Kennedy was rejecting the foundation of the Cold War system.
p137
The pressures on President Kennedy came less from constituents than from the weapons-making corporations that thrived on the Cold War, and from the Pentagon and the CIA that were dedicated to "winning" that war, whatever that might mean.
p137
In the summer of 1963, the leaders of the military-industrial complex could see storm clouds on their horizon. After JFK's American University address and his quick signing of the Test Ban Treaty with Khrushchev, corporate power holders saw the distinct prospect in the not distant future of a settlement in the Cold War between the United States and the Soviet Union.
... In [the] direction of U.S.-Soviet disarmament lay the diminished power of a corporate military system that for years had controlled the United States government. In his turn toward peace, Kennedy was beginning to undermine the dominant power structure that Eisenhower had finally identified and warned against so strongly as he left the White House.
p140
John and Robert Kennedy had become notorious in the ranks of big business. JFK's strategy of withdrawing defense contracts and RFK's aggressive investigating tactics toward men of power were seen as unforgivable sins by the corporate world. As a result of the president's uncompromising stand against the steel industry - and implicitly any corporation that chose to defy his authority - a bitter gap opened up between Kennedy and big business, whose most powerful elements coincided with the military-industrial complex.
p142
President Kennedy to his advisors Sorenson, O'Donnell, and Schlesinger
I understand better every day why [Franklin] Roosevelt, who started out such a mild fellow, ended up so ferociously anti-business. It is hard as hell to be friendly with people who keep trying to cut your legs off.
p142
In his deepening alienation from the CIA, the Pentagon, and big business, John Kennedy was moving consciously beyond the point of no return. Kennedy knew well the complicity that existed among the Cold War's corporate elite, Pentagon planners, and the heads of "intelligence agencies." He was no stranger to the way systemic power worked in and behind his national security state.
p143
We have no evidence as to who in the military-industrial complex may have given the order to assassinate President Kennedy. That the order was carried out by the Central Intelligence Agency is obvious. The CIA's fingerprints are all over the crime and the events leading up to it.
/... http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Assassinations_page/JFK_Unspeakable.html
See also: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=209x6350 (Mar-31-08)
Tabasco hot sauce king dies at age 68
Withheld In Full - Episode 1: Morley V. CIA
Gets very interesting about 3:20 into the video. Morley's 10 years of FOIA court cases on this. Funny how Morley uses the words "Not News" ... which again reminded me of this thread in here at DU. Think we need to Occupy Dealey Plaza Nov 22 2013 ... 50 years ...
quote from Judge Harry T. Edwards ... (from yesterday Feb 25,2013)
unquote ....
Exemplified when journalist Jefferson Morley discovered that George Joannides (under the code name 'Howard') was running “psychological warfare” operations for the CIA against the Castro government out of Miami and New Orleans in 1963. George Joannides' Cuban exile agents had brawled with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans. The CIA’s boys debated Oswald on the radio, and after the Kennedy assassination Joannides’ agents publicized the accused assassin’s pro-Castro activism etc... etc...
Fast forward to 1978 when the CIA calls Joannides out of retirement to be the 'go between' from the organization and the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA).
Problem is that the CIA never told the HSCA of Joannides' activities in 1963. And claimed the 'Howard' might not even of been a real person but some kind of 'routing indicator' ... etc... etc....
Anyway the above info came to light by Morley's research. But of course it's not news, so now back to our 'regular' programing by the thought police.
Nothing to see here ... and as the CIA states ... “substantial logistical requirements” make it impossible to release 1,171 CIA documents related to the assassination of President Kennedy, they've only had 50 years ya know. What does substantial logistical requirements mean anyway?
Keep the info coming Octafish, really appreciated. Peace.
that my dad had stuffed in his personal archives. This was published the morning after Oswald was shot. So it basically had the first 'Oswald did it', 'Dallas Police and authorities say so' journalism slant & articles that I'm sure anyone interested in this subject would be familiar with.
The one article that stood out to me was an interview with Henry Wade, DA for Dallas at the time who
took the lead in convicting Oswald of JFK and officer Tippets murders in public opinion.
From your second link … which bears repeating …
rest here ...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/conspiracy/doc11.html
Ya know, my continued delving into the JFK assassination stems from a lot of varied reading interests in today's world. One of which I stumbled upon while delving into 'The Innocence Project' a few years back … anyway can't locate the original AP article (which I believe was around 2008) but here is part of what I'm getting at from a blog …
rest here ...
http://www.jfklancer.com/blogger/2008_07_01_archive.html
Wade really didn't care about justice, he just wanted to keep his conviction rate at above 86%. So a lot of innocent people have spent a lot of time behind bars, not to mention some who have been 'put to sleep' permanently under his 'watch' as Dallas DA back then. And looking back I don't think this guys credibility for convicting anyone in real life or public opinion ought to be taken seriously anymore.
Another interest of mine is forensic science and to learn again a few years back that neutron activation analysis (INAA) turns out to be 'junk science' well I'll just let James Di Eugenio explain it for anyone still reading this post … lol …
Guinn's findings were very important to Blakey. He leaked them to the press early in 1978 as the final nail in the HSCA's verdict against Oswald. It was the rigorous scientific analysis that he so much admired and enthroned. And it showed that the single bullet theory was not just possible but that it actually happened.
Yet today, after the peer reviewed and published work of Erik Randich and Patrick Grant (Journal of Forensic Science, July 2006), Blakey is singing a different tune. The work of these two men has been so destructive of both the HSCA analysis and their NAA interpretation that Blakey now has termed the whole exercise "junk science". Further, the FBI has made the decision they will not use the process in court again. To understand why this astonishing retreat has taken place in broad daylight, let's go back to the beginning.
According to the Warren Commission, the FBI had done what was called "spectrographic analysis" on some of the ballistics evidence in the JFK case. According to Henry Hurt's discussion of this in his book Reasonable Doubt, both the FBI and the Commission were maddeningly vague about the results of the analysis. According to Hurt, this issue was to be addressed by the last witness called by the Commission, who was involved in the spectrographic analysis. Yet, during his interview, the commissioners never asked him a question on the issue. The Warren Report then noted that there were similarities in the metal composition of some of the bullet fragments. With the actual analysis not present and these vague generic terms in play, most considered that what the FBI did was not of any forensic value. -snip-
rest here …
http://www.ctka.net/death_of_naa.html
on and on and on … Peace.
ending up on the wrong side of history in 'Roe vs Wade' ...
Excerpt from this guys blog reminded me ...
over Texas' abortion laws.
Henry Wade was also the person who was going to prosecute Lee Harvey Oswald. After a bad break in which Jack Ruby killed Oswald before Wade could get a chance, Wade had to settle for trying to kill Jack Ruby. Unfortunately, Ruby died of cancer before he could be executed by Texas. It was pretty much a bummer all around for Wade.
It is not, however, because of Roe v. Wade or Texas v. Ruby that causes me to list Henry Wade as "The Bad." I award him the title because of Randall Dale Adams, and Vernon McManus, and Clarence Bradley, and John Skelton, and Lenell Geter, and James Lee Woodard, and Eugene Henton, and James Waller, and Greg Wallis, and James Giles, and Billy Smith, and the scores of others that Wade wrongfully put behind bars and wrongfully exposed to the gurney.
Crag Watkin's office has corrected, best they can, some of the harm done during Henry Wade's tenure. There is no chance, however, that all those wrongfully convicted by Wade and his prosecutorial hacks have been identified and released. It's likely many of them only gained their freedom at the end of a needle. -snip-
rest here ...
http://www.skepticaljuror.com/2010_11_08_archive.html
because of the changing demographics around the big cities and such. By 2016. maybe a bit soon, maybe not?
Anyway here's another bit of news trivia concerning Nov 22, 1963 ... from today Feb 25 2013 ... Robert Groden is still undefeated !! This having to do with Civil Rights issues and more 'non news' etc... relating to the OP of this thread.
By Jim Schutze Mon., Feb. 25 2013 at 10:37 AM
Categories: Get Off My Lawn
Wanted to go ahead and let you know, since apparently nobody else is going to do the story, that Robert Groden, the Kennedy assassination author, has won yet another legal victory in his fight against the city's years-long efforts to muzzle him.
And, sorry, certain commenters here, but that's what it is. This isn't about tidying up a park. It's a campaign to shut down free speech on the still sensitive issue of whether John F. Kennedy's murder in Dallas 50 years ago was the work of multiple conspirators.
Don't believe me? Still think it's Groden who's the out-of-line wack-job? Groden's virtually unbroken record of judicial exoneration in 81 separate arrests or tickets by the city is now crowned by a recent decision of County Criminal Court of Appeals Judge Kristin Wade. Wade said the same thing a parade of judges have said before: It's the city that's outside the law in this.
rest here ...
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/02/jfk_conspiracy_theorist_robert.php
Dallas oppresses JFK truth activist
February 27, 2013
By: Jeffrey Phelps
Examiner.com
A problem has emerged for the people of America, in Dallas. Ironically and for very good reason, those that currently occupy the seats for which they were appointed, by the people, have forgotten their oaths to uphold both their state’s and nation's constitutions. Otherwise known as the documents that spell out the laws protecting the rights of the very people they were appointed by to uphold in the first place. -snip-
Considering how much he knows about Kennedy's murder, it's no wonder the powers-that-be don't want him hanging around while tourists stream through the area on the weekends he comes to lecture. He usually attracts the attention of a fairly large crowd and security working in the museum from the sixth floor of the book depository building have no choice but to look down at the crowd, knowing he's giving the audience a much different version of the story than they give in the museum. -snip-
rest here ... http://www.examiner.com/article/dallas-oppresses-jfk-truth-activist
Let's look at his testimony at the OJ trial.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/groden1.htm
Here are some highlights for you...
Q. Mr. Groden, you've had no formal training whatsoever in learning how to determine the authenticity of photographs, correct?
A. That's correct.
Q. Never taught a course in photography?
A. Never.
Q. Never published anything about photography?
A. Techniques of photography?
Q. Yeah.
A. No.
Q. Or techniques of photographic alteration?
A. No.
Q. Not a book, not an article, not anything?
A. I mention the technique of photo alteration in a book I wrote.
Q. The book's not about photo alteration?
A. No.
Q. You talk about the Oswald backyard photograph?
A. Yes.
Q. And you don't belong to any professional organizations?
A. No.
Q. And you're not certified by any professional organizations?
A. No.
Q. And you never testified in court or qualified in court as an expert on photography, correct?
A. No.
Q. Is that correct?
A. Yes.
My favorite...
Q. Do you know the names of any professional organizations that deal with questioned photographs?
A. No.
More:
After testifying that a picture of OJ wearing Bruno Magalini's was likely a fake, Groden gets his ass handed to him.
Q. Sir, if there were other photographs of Mr. Simpson taken on the same day, September 26, 1993, in the same stadium, same football game, different camera, different photographer, and Mr. Simpson has the same clothes on, same jacket, same tie, same shirt, same belt, same pants, same shoes, wouldn't that compel you to conclude that your testimony that these shoes have been put on is wrong?
A. No.
Q. It wouldn't?
A. It would not change what I found in the photograph.
Groden is then handed 29 other photos, one after the other. Of course, they all show the exact same outfit and shoes.
Groden never backs down even though it is clear he is wrong.
Plenty to read there, so take your time. Although it is sad to read how he just gets skewered.
Again, Robert Groden is not an expert in photography. He is a fraud.
Do you think he is an expert just because he says so, Octafish?
Abraham Bolden speaks at JFK Lancer.
The story of a man who told the truth:
After 45 Years, a Civil Rights Hero Waits for Justice
Thom Hartmann
June 12, 2009 11:52 AM
A great miscarriage of justice has kept most Americas from learning about a Civil Rights pioneer who worked with President John F. Kennedy. But there is finally a way for citizens to not only right that wrong, but bring closure to the most tragic chapter of American presidential history.
After an outstanding career in law enforcement, Abraham Bolden was appointed by JFK to be the first African American presidential Secret Service agent, where he served with distinction. He was part of the Secret Service effort that prevented JFK's assassination in Chicago, three weeks before Dallas. But Bolden was framed by the Mafia and arrested on the very day he went to Washington to tell the Warren Commission staff about the Chicago attempt against JFK.
Bolden was sentenced to six years in prison, despite glaring problems with his prosecution. His arrest resulted from accusations by two criminals Bolden had sent to prison. In Bolden's first trial, an apparently biased judge told the jury that Bolden was guilty, even before they began their deliberations. Though granted a new trial because of that, the same problematic judge was assigned to oversee Bolden's second trial, which resulted in his conviction. Later, the main witness against Bolden admitted committing perjury against him. A key member of the prosecution even took the fifth when asked about the perjury. Yet Bolden's appeals were denied, and he had to serve hard time in prison, and today is considered a convicted felon.
After the release of four million pages of JFK assassination files in the 1990s, it became clear that Bolden -- and the official secrecy surrounding the Chicago attempt against JFK -- were due to National Security concerns about Cuba, that were unknown to Bolden, the press, Congress, and the public not just in 1963, but for the next four decades.
SNIP...
Abraham Bolden paid a heavy price for trying to tell the truth about events involving the man he was sworn to protect -- JFK -- that became mired in National Security concerns. Bolden still lives in Chicago, and has never given up trying to clear his name.
Will Abraham Bolden live to finally see the justice so long denied to him?
CONTINUED...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/after-45-years-a-civil-ri_b_213834.html
Abraham BOLDEN: an important eyewitness to what was happening within the Secret Service in 1963 who the newspapers and tee vee stations are ignoring.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” Upton Sinclair
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19977
http://ctka.net/2013/Gary_Mack_A-Z.html
DeLoach, Courtney Evans's successor to the job of White House liaison. Ostensibly the agents would be there to guard against threats to the president, but this security force was actually a surveillance team, a continuation of the FBI's surveillance on Martin Luther King in Atlantic City. By keeping track of King, LBJ could also keep track of RFK.
With the help of the FBI, Johnson spied on Teddy Kennedy during a trip Kennedy made to Italy. One of our agents heard that Lucky Luciano, the American mob boss who had been deported to his native Italy by the federal government, had carried on a conversation with Kennedy in a restaurant in Rome. Actually, we learned that the conversation was completely innocent on Kennedy's part. Luciano had approached Kennedy in an effort to get help in his plea to be allowed to return to the United States to die, and Kennedy had refused. The agent, who knew that Hoover would be interested in anything on the subject, reported the incident to Washington. Hoover used that report as an excuse to investigate Kennedy to see if he had any ties to organized crime. We conducted a discreet but massive investigation and found out what everyone had known all along: that Kennedy was opposed to organized crime in every way, and always had been.
In 1965 Johnson used the FBI to set up Teddy Kennedy. Teddy had come to Johnson seeking a federal judgeship for Frank Morrissey, a Kennedy family friend and former aid to JFK. Johnson agreed to nominate Morrissey, but as soon as Kennedy was out the door of the Oval office, LBJ was on the phone to DeLoach ordering an all-out FBI investigation of the Boston lawyer. It was one of the most exhaustive investigations of its kind we ever conducted, far more so than our puny investigation of G. Harrold Carswell when he was nominated to the Supreme Court. We went all out on Morrissey, but we didn't find much. The worst that anyone could say about Morrissey was that he had an average reputation as a lawyer. As the courts were filled with mediocre judges who had attended undistinguished law schools, many of them put there by Johnson, Morrissey seemed to be in the clear. But a few days after Johnson received the FBI report on Morrissey, stories began appearing in newspapers and magazines calling him unqualified for the job, stories that were leaked to the press by the White House, citing his unimpressive legal and academic background as proof. It was a deliberate smear and it worked. An embarrassed Teddy Kennedy was forced to ask LBJ to withdraw the nomination.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7589
https://twitter.com/johnsimkin/status/313631926055497730
Abraham Bolden was a Secret Service agent who had asked to leave the White House in 1961. He did not care for the lackadaisical practices of the White House detail. (p. 200) On October 30, 1963 Bolden was in Chicago when the local agents were briefed on what they knew about an attempt being planned on JFK's life there. After Vallee's arrest and the foiling of the plot, Bolden felt a foreboding about Kennedy's upcoming trip to Dallas. When Kennedy was killed, Bolden noted the similarities between what had occurred in Dallas and what almost occurred in Chicago. In May of 1964 he was in Washington for a Secret Service training program. (p. 215) He tried to contact the Warren Commission about what he knew. The day after his call to J. Lee Rankin, he was sent back to Chicago. Upon his arrival he was arrested. The pretense was that he was trying to sell Secret Service files to a counterfeiter. Upon his arraignment he was formally charged with fraud, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy. (Ibid) Needless to say, Bolden was convicted based upon perjured testimony. (The phony witness later admitted this himself.) He was imprisoned at Springfield where he was placed in a psychiatric unit. (p. 216) He was given mind-numbing drugs. But other inmates alerted him to the nature of the drugs in advance. So he knew how to fake taking the pills. While in prison, his family endured a bombing of their home, setting fire to their garage, and a sniper shooting through their window. Mark Lane, while working for Garrison, visited him in 1967. Lane then wrote about Bolden's knowledge of the plot in Chicago. When the prison authorities learned about this, they placed Bolden in solitary confinement. He was finally released in 1969.
Compared to the fate of Ralph Yates, Bolden did all right. On November 20, 1963 Yates was making his rounds as a refrigerator mechanic for the Texas Butcher Supply Company in Dallas. That morning he picked up a hitchhiker on the R. L. Thornton Expressway. The man had a package with him that was wrapped in brown paper. When Yates asked him if he would prefer to place it in the back of the pickup, the passenger said no. They were curtain rods and he would rather keep them in the cab. (p. 351) The conversation rolled around to the subject of Kennedy's upcoming visit. The man asked Yates if he thought it was possible to kill Kennedy while he was there. Yates said that yes, it was possible. The hitchhiker then asked if Yates knew the motorcade route. Yates said he did not, but it had been in the paper. The man asked if he thought it would now be changed. Yates said that he doubted it. The passenger asked to be let off at a stoplight near Elm and Houston. Yates then returned to his shop and told his colleague Dempsey Jones about the strange conversation. (p. 352)
After the assassination, Yates noted the hitchhiker's resemblance to Oswald. So he volunteered his experience with him to the FBI. They brought him back for a total of four interviews. It became clear they did not want to believe him. The reason being that Oswald was not supposed to be on the expressway at that time. They finally gave him a polygraph test. The agents then told Yates' wife that, according to the machine, her husband was telling the truth. But, they concluded, the reason was that "he had convinced himself that he was telling the truth. So that's how it came out." (p. 354) The FBI told Yates that he needed help. So they sent him to Woodlawn Hospital, where he was admitted as a psychiatric patient. To quote the author, "From that point on, he spent the remaining eleven years of his life as a patient in and out of mental health hospitals. " (Ibid) Such was the price for disturbing the equilibrium of the official story...
http://www.ctka.net/2008/jfk_unspeakable.html
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=194446#p194446
https://twitter.com/nightfrightshow/status/310808594822086657
https://twitter.com/rshifflet/status/264346787584819200
https://twitter.com/adept2u/status/287744979554664450
https://twitter.com/whowhatwhy/status/293767737010974722
@awbolden: Former Secret Service Agent Abraham Bolden's News Conference, May 1964 http://post.ly/A8aes via @cantaraworld
https://twitter.com/awbolden/status/310343972964954112
Ya see there was this other 'loner kid' and problem child awhile back and his mom had to have him finish his elementary years through 'home schooling'. The bum eventually dropped out of school completely by 8th grade. He didn't even attend high school !! He got obsessed with piano and music ...
where he finally started to make some friends (other musicians), obviously more losers.
He once said "I believe in beauty, I believe in stones and water, air and soil, people and their future and their fate" end quote.
Obvious 'Wooooooooooooooooooooo !!!'
Oh yeah in his later teen and early twenty's he also spent a lot of time in his folks basement alone experimenting in the dark on some other hobby of his.
Anyway he took a lot of pictures too, which I guess related to his basement hobby. Here's one of them ...
Guys name was Ansel Adams.
Mahatma Ghandi
I think 'they' are in the 'fight you' stage on this. They are still trying to laugh, but it ain't so funny anymore as time goes on and more evidence through updated science, forensics, testimony and relevance is spread around through honest researchers who won't let up.
It is 'them' who have become the joke. And I think they know it. Only a matter of time.
By the way have you seen David W. Mantik, M.D., Ph.D review on Bugliosi’s Reclaiming History?
He ends it with this list of people whom for whatever reason of theirs??? > These people all stated and said they believed an actual conspiracy occurred in the JFK assassination. Now as to some of these peoples motives why they would do this (covering up, blaming someone else, 'cya' cover your ass etc, to deflect? who knows... well your guess is as good as mine?) Anyway keep the faith. Peace.
Believers in a JFK Assassination Conspiracy (so they stated for whatever reason? footnotes at the link below)
Lyndon Baines Johnson, President of the United States
Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States
John B. Connally, Governor of Texas
J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI
Clyde Tolson, Associate Director of the FBI
Cartha DeLoach, Assistant Director of the FBI
William Sullivan, FBI Domestic Intelligence Chief
John McCone, Director of the CIA
David Atlee Phillips, CIA disinformation specialist (Chief of Covert Actions, Mexico City, 1963)
Stanley Watson, CIA, Chief of Station
The Kennedy family
Admiral (Dr.) George Burkley, White House physician
James J. Rowley, Chief of the Secret Service
Robert Knudsen, White House photographer (who saw autopsy photos)
Jesse Curry, Chief of Police,75 Dallas Police Department
Roy Kellerman (heard JFK speak after supposed magic bullet)
William Greer (the driver of the Lincoln limousine)
Abraham Bolden, Secret Service, White House detail and Chicago office
John Norris, Secret Service (worked for LBJ; researched case for decades)
Evelyn Lincoln, JFK’s secretary
Abraham Zapruder, most famous home movie photographer in history
James Tague, struck by a bullet fragment in Dealey Plaza
Hugh Huggins, CIA operative, conducted private investigation for RFK
Sen. Richard Russell, member of the Warren Commission
John J. McCloy, member of the Warren Commission
Bertrand Russell, British mathematician and philosopher
Hugh Trevor-Roper, Regius Professor of Modern History at Oxford University
Michael Foot, British MP
Senator Richard Schweiker, assassinations subcommittee (Church Committee)
Tip O’Neill, Speaker of the House (he assumed JFK’s congressional seat)
Rep. Henry Gonzalez (introduced bill to establish HSCA)
Rep. Don Edwards, chaired HSCA hearings (former FBI agent)
Frank Ragano, attorney for Trafficante, Marcello, Hoffa
Marty Underwood, advance man for Dallas trip
Riders in follow-up car: JFK aides Kenny O’Donnell and Dave Powers
Sam Kinney, Secret Service driver of follow-up car
Paul Landis, passenger in Secret Service follow-up car
John Marshall, Secret Service
John Norris, Secret Service
H. L. Hunt, right-wing oil baron
John Curington, H.L. Hunt’s top aide
Bill Alexander, Assistant Dallas District Attorney
Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel for the HSCA
Robert Tanenbaum, Chief Counsel for the HSCA
Richard A. Sprague, Chief Counsel for the HSCA
Gary Cornwell, Deputy Chief Counsel for the HSCA
Parkland doctors: McClelland, Crenshaw, Stewart, Seldin, Goldstrich, Zedlitz,
Jones, Akin, et al.
Bethesda witnesses: virtually all of the paramedical personnel
All of the jurors in Garrison’s trial of Clay Shaw76
Bobby Hargis, Dealey Plaza motorcycle man
Mary Woodward, Dallas Morning News (and eyewitness in Dealey Plaza)
Maurice G. Marineau, Secret Service, Chicago office
Most of the American public
Most of the world’s Citizen
David W. Mantik, M.D., Ph.D review on Bugliosi’s Reclaiming History
http://www.assassinationscience.com/v5n1mantik.pdf
One of the central tenets of modern journalism:
[font color="red"]"Don't avert your eyes. Plagiarize."[/font color]
So, when one outlet publishes a scoop, the rest of the pack follow.
The formula holds for most stories, except those touching upon certain subjects. Here's important news that the nation's press missed, published in an alt weekly out of Raleigh:
JFK, Oswald and the Raleigh connection
by Randolph Benson
EXCERPT...
It was through the work of independent researcher Michael Canfield that a copy of the Raleigh Call slip first became public. He secured a copy of the slip, which became available as the result of a Freedom of Information lawsuit filed by a civil rights activist, while conducting research for the 1975 book Coup d'Etat in America. The book, co-authored with Alan Weberman, was the first major work to deal with the Raleigh Call, and the slip was reprinted in the appendix.
On the slip were two numbers attributed to a "John Hurt": one for a John W. Hurt, one for a John D. Hurt. Canfield called both numbers. John W. Hurt turned up nothing of interest. However, when Canfield spoke to John D. Hurt, he sat stunned, silent when Hurt revealed, "I was in the counterintelligence corps in the Army during World War II."
That Oswald called a former military intelligence officer from jail—only to be assassinated by Jack Ruby a little more than 12 hours later—was notable and, to that point, publicly undisclosed.
SNIP..
Victor Marchetti was a 14-year veteran of the CIA who had served as executive assistant to then-Deputy Director Richard Helms. Marchetti had also written extensively about the Raleigh Call in The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, the first book on the assassination censored by the U.S. government.
In an interview with Proctor, Marchetti stated that in calling Hurt, Oswald was clearly following standard procedure for a CIA asset under duress. This includes contacting his case officer through a "cut-out," an intermediary with no direct involvement in an operation—John Hurt.
"
Oswald) was probably calling his cut-out. He was calling somebody who could put him in touch with his case officer," Marchetti told Proctor. "He couldn't go beyond that person. There's no way he could. He just had to depend on this person to say, 'OK, I'll deliver the message.' Now, if the cut-out has already been alerted to cut him off and ignore him, then ..."
CONTINUED...
http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/jfk-oswald-and-the-raleigh-connection/Content?oid=3192079
Missed ya, bobthedrummer!
Good to read you, Sir.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. creates a story with ‘legs’ by offering pro-conspiracy views on his uncle’s 1963 assassination in Dealey Plaza
By mgranberry
mgranberry@dallasnews.com
2:15 pm on January 14, 2013
http://popcultureblog.dallasnews.com/2013/01/robert-f-kennedy-jr-creates-a-story-with-legs-by-offering-pro-conspiracy-views-on-his-uncles-1963-assassination-in-dealey-plaza.html/
A couple of excerpts ...
So if the story had legs why wasn't it everywhere, and covered by our heads up media? And why is no telecast of the event planned? Just more evidence of your original title to this thread "Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press"
I'll give Mack a point for that one.
Interesting.
Emphasis mine. Okay I'll give Mack another point on that one.
Here's a link the above story was found in ...
JFK 50 a yearlong series The People, The City, The Impact
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/jfk50/
From another article found on the above 'JFK 50 a yearlong series The People, The City, The Impact' link.
Gary Mack and the evolution of a JFK conspiracy theorist
“I’m personally convinced there’s more than just Oswald involved,” Mack said, “but I can’t prove it and neither can anyone else.”
The answer, he suspects, is hidden in Oswald’s past, when he defected to the Soviet Union, married a Russian girl, tried to renounce his U.S. citizenship, but eventually came home.
Hugh Aynesworth shares that belief, saying, “I think there’s something more there, too.”
Still, it all comes back to Oswald and Ruby, Aynesworth said, and that’s an unacceptable conclusion to some.
“It’s much more fun to believe in a conspiracy,” he said.
“Who wants to believe that two nobodies changed the course of history?”
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/jfk50/explore/20130302-gary-mack-and-the-evolution-of-a-jfk-conspiracy-theorist.ece
So if I am reading this right, this story goes through some of the reasons Mack gave up on researching the JFK Assassination, cause he says Oswald did it alone. But the article ends with the above quote of his (emphasis mine) "he's personally convinced there's more then just Oswald involved" still to this day, which by definition would mean suspecting conspiracy.
Oh but wait! Isn't that the definition of 'doublethink' ??? A simultaneous belief in two contradictory ideas.
Bizarre ain't it !!
doesn't turn into something like that piece of propaganda they put out on Dr. Kings assassination. Geesh ...
Soledad O'Brien: CNN Transition A 'Win-Win,'
2/22/2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/22/soledad-obrien-cnn-support-new-role_n_2742376.html
Yes the wording in these matters (political assassinations) is always the same, lone nut, twisted minded loner etc... etc... not a very creative playbook our overlords and ministry of truth have had over the years. Staying to the script.
Jim Garrison, Playboy Interview
Playboy, October, 1967
EXCERPT...
"What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in (the assassination of President Kennedy), is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.
In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same.
I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security."
CONTINUED...
http://www.jfklancer.com/Garrison4.html
from the link;
"Regis Kennedy is one of the FBI agents who interrogated David Ferrie in November 1963, and I hoped to learn from him what information the Bureau had elicited from Ferrie. But on the instructions of our old friend Attorney General Ramsey Clark, Kennedy refused to answer the questions put to him by the grand jury on the grounds of executive privilege."
Huh? An FBI Agent can invoke "executive privilege" in grand jury? Is it because of Ramsay Clark?
At 85 is it too late for Mt Clark to make amends? He persecuted draft dodgers, then recently pushed to impeach BushCo.
Now his vote-to-impeach is IndictBushNow.org.
It seems he's headed in the correct direction.
I hope he sets things right while he can, wrt the Kennedys.
this up the grassy knoll a bit
I just uploaded these to youtube ... today 3/4/2013.
From 8/29/2012, Jeff Morley Questions The National Archives Declassification Center (NDC) panel about withheld CIA documents pertaining to President John F. Kennedy's Assassination and their requested release date by 11/22/2013. This would correspond with the 50th Anniversary of JFK's Assassination. Jeff Morley's website http://jfkfacts.org/
This public forum hosted by the NDC took place on Wednesday, August 29, 2012 in the William G. McGowan Theater of the National Archives Building in Washington, DC.
This clip is taken from the Question and Answer part of the program at the end of the forum, where NDC's 'Counsel' was called on to reply. Video Run Time = 10:38 This Video is Public
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The second part of this presentation (video) posted below is set to 'private' on youtube until I can identify the second speaker in the video ... thanks for any help DU ????
He comes to the mic at about 6:35 of the video right after Jim Lesar (Jeff Morley's lawyer) and ends it with a rather long statement concerning these matters. Again this video is set to private on youtube until I can identify the last speaker, he sounds familiar but thought someone in here might give me a positive recognition. Thanks for any info. Jeff Morley's website http://jfkfacts.org/
Feel free to share both videos, much encouraged. Peace doublethink.
On Edit: had to make this last video public so you guys can see it ... lol ... silly me ...
... But still need help identifying second speaker? Thanks.
I figured out the last speaker in the second short video I posted following Lesar is ........ John Judge from Copa
http://politicalassassinations.com/
I knew his voice was familiar.
Carl Oglesby penned a mighty analysis of the paper of record for "Lies Of Our Times," an "alternative" publication put out to correct the false record created by the "paper of record."
Here it is (page 15) in PDF form: http://liesofourtimes.org/public_html/1990/Dec1990%20V1%20N12/Dec1990%20V1%20N12.pdf
by Name Dropping RFK 
I can't wait until 50 Cent talks about the illuminati
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Will the RFK Jr. interview with Charlie Rose ever air?
Original airdate: January 31, 2013
Guest: Jim DiEugenio
Topics: RFK Jr. / Listener Questions / Destiny Betrayed
Play Jim DiEugenio (53:27) Real Media or MP3 download
• RFK Jr. interview with Charlie Rose, no Kennedy has gone on record against the WC
• The show was taped but has not yet aired, it has created a mini media sensation
• Brothers (Talbot 2008), One Hell of a Gamble (Fursenko/Naftali 1998)
• Bobby was interested in the Garrison investigation, he doubted the WC
• Rose started in Dallas, an establishment figure, he leaned toward a mob hit
• No transcript, audio or video of this interview, still under Dallas auspices
• RFK Jr. called Jim Douglass and thanked him for JFK and the Unspeakable (2010)
• Listener Questions, KHOU in Dallas, where Dan Rather got his start
• J.D. Tippit was married and had a girlfriend, his true intention, no full biography
• Jim thinks LHO was not at 10th and Patton, Tippit was shot to enrage the Dallas police
• Tippit was out of his patrol area, three versions of Dallas Police radio calls tape
• Of whom would you ask three quesions? Oswald, then Ruby
• In the summer 1963 did you have any intimations that someone was manipulating you?
• Did you go to Mexico City? If no, where were you? If yes, what did you actually do?
• Where did you go between the TSBD and the Texas Theater?
• Roger Craig testified before the Shaw grand jury, Craig and the Rambler troubled the police
• Lt. Day and the CIA? Other Dallas police and the CIA? Police were trained by the CIA
• Would truthful document releases be believed? Wouldn't factions still argue?
• What are we looking for to be released? ARRB says 1,100 documents still need release
• New Orleans, Garrison, Clay Shaw trial, Smoking guns? Doubt it
• The plot may have been hatched when Kennedy established back channels
Play Jim DiEugenio (49:22) Real Media or MP3 download
• Destiny Betrayed (DiEugenio 2012), last chapter, Shaw would have been opposed to JFK
• Free trade and globalism, International House, International Trade Mart, Freeport Sulphur
• CIA had a Y file on Shaw, Shaw was briefed before travel overseas, met with high officials
• CIA Domestic Contact Service, Shaw was in San Francisco the day of the assassination
• 12 Shaw/Bertrand witnesses, the FBI lied, Shaw called Dean Andrews to represent LHO
• Shaw's lawyers, they got all kinds of help and lied about it, obstruction of justice
• Three LHO wallets, Castro back channel, Phillips/Bishop, Dulles was part of the conspiracy
• The establishment knows something went wrong in 1963, the country would never be the same
• Garrison was first to focus on Mexico City and Vietnam, first to call it a coup
• ARRB releases show CIA activity against Garrison out of Angleton's office
• Vince Salandria congratulated Jim on his updated Garrison book
• Jim likes BOR's 50 Reasons for 50 years... series, what is known
• The 50th is going to be big, JFK 101, facts that are true
http://www.blackopradio.com/archives2013.html
http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black615a.mp3
http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black615b.mp3
http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black616a.mp3
James Douglass is a man of peace with a genius to connect many important dots. The man is a Catholic scholar who was a friend of Merton. He was teaching at the University of Hawai'i when he took up his students' challenge to put his body where his mouth was and show up for the peace protest during the Vietnam War. He did and the university fired him. He stayed poor for a long while, but he never lost his integrity, unlike the warmongers in government and industry (now "finance" , and their toadies in academia and the bourgeoisie.
JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
Review of James Douglass' Book
By Prof. Edward Curtin
Global Research, November 25, 2009
25 November 2009
EXCERPT...
We are then faced with the contemporary relevance, and since we know that every president since JFK has refused to confront the growth of the national security state and its call for violence, one can logically assume a message was sent and heeded. In this regard, it is not incidental that former twenty-seven year CIA analyst Raymond McGovern, in a recent interview, warned of the “two CIAs,” one the analytic arm providing straight scoop to presidents, the other the covert action arm which operates according to its own rules. “Let me leave you with this thought,” he told his interviewer, “and that is that I think Panetta (current CIA Director), and to a degree Obama, are afraid – I never thought I’d hear myself saying this – I think they are afraid of the CIA.” He then recommended Douglass’ book, “It’s very well-researched and his conclusion is very alarming.” (i)
Let’s look at the history marshaled by Douglass to support his thesis.
First, Kennedy, who took office in January 1961 as somewhat of a Cold Warrior, was quickly set up by the CIA to take the blame for the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in April 1961. The CIA and generals wanted to oust Castro, and in pursuit of that goal, trained a force of Cuban exiles to invade Cuba. Kennedy refused to go along and the invasion was roundly defeated. The CIA, military, and Cuban exiles bitterly blamed Kennedy. But it was all a sham.
Though Douglass doesn’t mention it, and few Americans know it, classified documents uncovered in 2000 revealed that the CIA had discovered that the Soviets had learned of the date of the invasion more than a week in advance, had informed Castro, but – and here is a startling fact that should make people’s hair stand on end – never told the President. (ii) The CIA knew the invasion was doomed before the fact but went ahead with it anyway. Why? So they could and did afterwards blame JFK for the failure.
This treachery set the stage for events to come. For his part, sensing but not knowing the full extent of the set-up, Kennedy fired CIA Director Allen Dulles (as in a bad joke, later to be named to the Warren Commission) and his assistant General Charles Cabell (whose brother Earle Cabell, to make a bad joke absurd, was the mayor of Dallas on the day Kennedy was killed) and said he wanted “to splinter the CIA in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.” Not the sentiments to endear him to a secretive government within a government whose power was growing exponentially.
The stage was now set for events to follow as JFK, in opposition to nearly all his advisers, consistently opposed the use of force in U.S. foreign policy.
In 1961, despite the Joint Chief’s demand to put troops into Laos, Kennedy bluntly insisted otherwise as he ordered Averell Harriman, his representative at the Geneva Conference, “Did you understand? I want a negotiated settlement in Laos. I don’t want to put troops in.”
CONTINUED...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/jfk-and-the-unspeakable-why-he-died-and-why-it-matters/16273
Gee. Harriman was business partners with Prescott Bush, back in the day they were financing Hitler. What a small world.
When I talk about Douglass' book, I like to bring up the Pearl-Harbor-in-Reverse Lemnitzer and Dulles recommended to President Kennedy. People's jaws drop open to learn that the top dogs in the military-intelligence complex component went on-the-record to recommend an all-out, surprise, nuclear attack on the Soviet Union, they hated the commies that bad and were willing to fight to the bitter end, just as long as one American is left alive at the end and no commies -- we won. Then, I show them the article by James P. Galbraith and Heather Purcell where they can see the documents and they get pissed.
Oh, and they buy "JFK and the Unspeakable." I tell them to get it through Orbis.
