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Michael Chase Walker
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The priests are being blackmailed by male prostitutes who work at a sauna in Quarto Miglio district near the Vatican http://thebea.st/YLXrOm
Oh boy.
The trio of cardinals who authored the report, known in the Italian press as the 007 Priests, were commissioned by Benedict to dig into the Vatileaks scandal that rocked the Holy See last fall when the popes butler, Paolo Gabriele, was convicted of stealing secret papal documents and leaking them to the press. The sleuthing cardinals ran a parallel investigation to the Vatican tribunals criminal case against the butler, but theirs was far more covert and focused not on the mechanics of the leaks, but on who within the Roman Curia might be the brains behind them. And, according to the leaked reports, what the 007 Priests found went far beyond the popes private desk. Whats coming out is very detailed X-ray of the Roman Curia that does not spare even the closest collaborators of the Pope, wrote respected Vatican expert Ignazio Ingrao in Panorama. The Pope was no stranger to the intrigues, but he probably did not know that under his pontificate there was such a complex network and such intricate chains of personal interests and unmentionable relationships.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/22/priests-in-panties.html
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A potentially explosive report has linked the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom the report said were being blackmailed by outsiders.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/pope-retired-amid-gay-bishop-blackmail-inquiry
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)People are not born to be celibate.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)so it's only been going on for 1,000 years.
REP
(21,691 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)1074-Pope Gregory VII said anyone to be ordained must first pledge celibacy: priests [must] first escape from the clutches of their wives.
http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/history.htm
REP
(21,691 posts)CoT said can't be married before or after ordination.
Huge problem of church property being inherited by the offspring of priests, but it was those Protestants that really set them off.
Church history is a big fascinating blood and sex drenched read.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)about abortions and infanticides taking place in monasteries?
REP
(21,691 posts)I've read dozens on the Church.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Although I have read books on the histoey of the church...I am too lazy to look through the mess that are my bookcases...
REP
(21,691 posts)I think I've mentioned I know church history pretty well
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)of the running.
longship
(40,416 posts)Just putting this out there for consideration. Or, maybe celibacy might be the core of the issue.
As another poster here observed, maybe we weren't evolved to be celibate.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)Dear Mr. Pope, your staff on whom you rely to get things done, and I know they get it done since they run the largest charitable organization in the world, has some needs. You may not think highly of these needs. They may seem lowly, earthly, fleshly and temporal - not part of the grand, symmetrical, Celestial plan. Nevertheless they must be met. Instead of hindering them, you could be helping them. Happy priests are more productive priests. Think about it, okay?
siligut
(12,272 posts)Are you being facetious?
Berlum
(7,044 posts)He had lots of, um, experience, as the official Bush White House Republican Male Escort. It would be no surprise if he was also, um, taking care of the Vatican (R). The official Secret SERVICE logs show Gannon had over 200 visits to the Bush White House, including several unexplained overnighters.
Did he take his Republican services to the international market.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Oh, how I've missed him!
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Hulk Smash
(51 posts)And how can you shame the clergy with homosexual prostitutes, when they've withstood the altar boy molestation scandal, apparently unscathed. Have people left the Church? Have they quit contributing to the collection plates? Have they started letting priests get married to, you know, females? Have they opened their priesthood to women? Have they changed their position on condoms? Has anything happened at all in the wake of that scandal? No? So what can we expect in the wake of this one?
REP
(21,691 posts)Raping children is a disease or something needing mercy and a lot of cover-up, but teh gay is something else that is unforgivable.
Or so it would seem.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)amandabeech
(9,893 posts)by country.
IIRC, all were down, but Ireland was down 90% to 4%.
Between the laundries and the pedophile priests, even the Irish have had enough.
I'm coming down with something nasty, or I'd look for the post for you.
Demoiselle
(6,787 posts)Which makes sense, too, sort of.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)across this place...wish I had!!!
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)if he wern't involved intimately?
Berlum
(7,044 posts)The buck stops at the Big Guy. If the Vatican City became -- or continued as -- Swing City under his reign, then he does bear some responsibility. He's been hanging out with these dudes for decades.
derby378
(30,252 posts)There are other churches, such as the Greek Catholic and Maronite churches, who recognize the Pope as the Vicar of Christ, and in so doing, they enjoy communion with the Vatican. In many of these non-Roman churches, priests are allowed to marry and even raise families.
If the Greek Catholics and the Maronites only disagree with the Vatican on a few minor doctrinal issues otherwise, what's the disadvantage in casting your lot with one of them if you feel a calling for the clergy?
hunter
(38,313 posts)They don't get the aircraft carriers, submarines, and nuclear weapons like the Navy does.
Here's a web site, About Byzantine Catholics:
http://www.byzcath.org/index.php/about-us-mainmenu-60
I have some past positive experiences with them, although the relationship that brought me into that was sort of like a David Lynch version of My Big Fat Greek Wedding with a bloody ending and no wedding.
There's a small Byzantine Catholic community in our own city that meets in the chapel of the local Catholic school, but the majority religion here is Catholic with strong Mexican traditions, which is my wife's religious background. Our family is part of that community.
Personally I'm a heretic and I don't know why anyone would be called to be Catholic clergy at this point in the Church's history. I've met many wonderful Priests, but there are also a some who are dull warm bodies, and a few real stinkers. If the Church wants to survive in the USA and Western Europe they will have to accept women priests and they will have to accept married priests.
I'm not sure how much religion stuck to our kids, but I don't think they've been "called." Since they've both moved out I wouldn't be surprised if they've never attended Mass on their own. We don't pry or expect them to attend Mass during visits with us, but going to Mass is something we do with my wife's parents.
If I'm predicting the future I don't see young adult old grand-kids attending Mass with us. Frankly I'm not sure I see any of us attending Mass. If the corrupt "conservative" faction of the church prevails, the church may not survive.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)It would be easy for him to just act against those involved.......
..........unless HE is one of those involved, complete with pics........