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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:11 PM Feb 2013

Caught In Act: Priests are being blackmailed by male prostitutes who work at a sauna near Vatican

Michael Chase Walker
?@mchasewalker

The priests are being blackmailed by male prostitutes who work at a sauna in Quarto Miglio district near the Vatican http://thebea.st/YLXrOm

Oh boy.


“What’s coming out is very detailed X-ray of the Roman Curia that does not spare even the closest collaborators of the Pope.


Of all the rumors floating around about just why Pope Benedict XVI is hanging up his camauro, one has taken on a life of its own. According to several well-placed vaticanisti--or Vatican experts--in Rome, Benedict is resigning after being handed a secret red-covered dossier that included details about a network of gay priests who work inside the Vatican, but who play in secular Rome. The priests, it seems, are allegedly being blackmailed by a network of male prostitutes who worked at a sauna in Rome’s Quarto Miglio district, a health spa in the city center, and a private residence once entrusted to a prominent archbishop. The evidence reportedly includes compromising photos and videos of the prelates--sometimes caught on film in drag, and, in some cases, caught ‘in the act’.

The trio of cardinals who authored the report, known in the Italian press as the ‘007 Priests,’ were commissioned by Benedict to dig into the Vatileaks scandal that rocked the Holy See last fall when the pope’s butler, Paolo Gabriele, was convicted of stealing secret papal documents and leaking them to the press. The sleuthing cardinals ran a parallel investigation to the Vatican tribunal’s criminal case against the butler, but theirs was far more covert and focused not on the mechanics of the leaks, but on who within the Roman Curia might be the brains behind them. And, according to the leaked reports, what the ‘007 Priests’ found went far beyond the pope’s private desk. “What’s coming out is very detailed X-ray of the Roman Curia that does not spare even the closest collaborators of the Pope,” wrote respected Vatican expert Ignazio Ingrao in Panorama. “The Pope was no stranger to the intrigues, but he probably did not know that under his pontificate there was such a complex network and such intricate chains of personal interests and unmentionable relationships.”


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/22/priests-in-panties.html

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A potentially explosive report has linked the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom – the report said – were being blackmailed by outsiders.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/pope-retired-amid-gay-bishop-blackmail-inquiry
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Caught In Act: Priests are being blackmailed by male prostitutes who work at a sauna near Vatican (Original Post) kpete Feb 2013 OP
Been going on since the beginning of the church... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #1
Priests have not always been celibate ........... they used to be able to marry Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #6
Yes, now that you mention it.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #7
Council of Trent, 1563 REP Feb 2013 #9
But there is also this... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #10
Yup - escape because they were married. And still getting married, until REP Feb 2013 #12
Did you see the section going back to the ninth century Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #13
In which book? REP Feb 2013 #15
I posted a link.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #17
Coals to Newcastle REP Feb 2013 #18
I wonder if this means that all potential Italian candidates for the Office are out snagglepuss Feb 2013 #2
As if nation of origin has anything to do with it? longship Feb 2013 #5
After all this time, why doesn't the Vatican have its own sauna? kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #3
Right and staff it with male prostitutes siligut Feb 2013 #19
Is Republican male prostitute Jeff Gannon involved? Berlum Feb 2013 #4
Guckert! Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #23
the Guckster (R) Berlum Feb 2013 #24
Well, at least they ain't boys. Hulk Smash Feb 2013 #8
Don't you know that gay is a choice (and a demonic one at that) REP Feb 2013 #11
Well that was homophobic... And stupid. Nt xchrom Feb 2013 #14
A recent post here on DU gave a list of attenance drops for the RC church amandabeech Feb 2013 #26
I read that top line as "even the closet collaborators of the pope". Demoiselle Feb 2013 #16
Damn! I've been to the Vatican twice and I never came joeybee12 Feb 2013 #20
Yeah but why would the pope have to resign because of it notadmblnd Feb 2013 #21
It's his party house, and there's this thing called responsibility Berlum Feb 2013 #22
I'm not Roman Catholic, so somebody please help me out here... derby378 Feb 2013 #25
I imagine it's like serving in the Coast Guard. hunter Feb 2013 #31
All kinds of people like sex, who woulda known! Priests and all! Ain't that something! RKP5637 Feb 2013 #27
"In drag"---How would they differentiate? ;-) WinkyDink Feb 2013 #28
LOL!!! Maybe hair styles than pointed hats? RKP5637 Feb 2013 #29
Why does Ratzinger feel the need to resign over this? kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #30

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
10. But there is also this...
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:14 PM
Feb 2013

1074-Pope Gregory VII said anyone to be ordained must first pledge celibacy: ‘priests [must] first escape from the clutches of their wives.’


http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/history.htm

REP

(21,691 posts)
12. Yup - escape because they were married. And still getting married, until
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:18 PM
Feb 2013

CoT said can't be married before or after ordination.

Huge problem of church property being inherited by the offspring of priests, but it was those Protestants that really set them off.

Church history is a big fascinating blood and sex drenched read.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
13. Did you see the section going back to the ninth century
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:21 PM
Feb 2013

about abortions and infanticides taking place in monasteries?

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
17. I posted a link....
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:34 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/history.htm

Although I have read books on the histoey of the church...I am too lazy to look through the mess that are my bookcases...

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. As if nation of origin has anything to do with it?
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:34 PM
Feb 2013

Just putting this out there for consideration. Or, maybe celibacy might be the core of the issue.

As another poster here observed, maybe we weren't evolved to be celibate.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
3. After all this time, why doesn't the Vatican have its own sauna?
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:33 PM
Feb 2013

Dear Mr. Pope, your staff on whom you rely to get things done, and I know they get it done since they run the largest charitable organization in the world, has some needs. You may not think highly of these needs. They may seem lowly, earthly, fleshly and temporal - not part of the grand, symmetrical, Celestial plan. Nevertheless they must be met. Instead of hindering them, you could be helping them. Happy priests are more productive priests. Think about it, okay?

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
4. Is Republican male prostitute Jeff Gannon involved?
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:34 PM
Feb 2013

He had lots of, um, experience, as the official Bush White House Republican Male Escort. It would be no surprise if he was also, um, taking care of the Vatican (R). The official Secret SERVICE logs show Gannon had over 200 visits to the Bush White House, including several unexplained overnighters.

Did he take his Republican services to the international market.

 

Hulk Smash

(51 posts)
8. Well, at least they ain't boys.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 06:54 PM
Feb 2013

And how can you shame the clergy with homosexual prostitutes, when they've withstood the altar boy molestation scandal, apparently unscathed. Have people left the Church? Have they quit contributing to the collection plates? Have they started letting priests get married to, you know, females? Have they opened their priesthood to women? Have they changed their position on condoms? Has anything happened at all in the wake of that scandal? No? So what can we expect in the wake of this one?

REP

(21,691 posts)
11. Don't you know that gay is a choice (and a demonic one at that)
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:15 PM
Feb 2013

Raping children is a disease or something needing mercy and a lot of cover-up, but teh gay is something else that is unforgivable.

Or so it would seem.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
26. A recent post here on DU gave a list of attenance drops for the RC church
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:41 PM
Feb 2013

by country.

IIRC, all were down, but Ireland was down 90% to 4%.

Between the laundries and the pedophile priests, even the Irish have had enough.

I'm coming down with something nasty, or I'd look for the post for you.

Demoiselle

(6,787 posts)
16. I read that top line as "even the closet collaborators of the pope".
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:31 PM
Feb 2013

Which makes sense, too, sort of.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
22. It's his party house, and there's this thing called responsibility
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:16 PM
Feb 2013

The buck stops at the Big Guy. If the Vatican City became -- or continued as -- Swing City under his reign, then he does bear some responsibility. He's been hanging out with these dudes for decades.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
25. I'm not Roman Catholic, so somebody please help me out here...
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:37 PM
Feb 2013

There are other churches, such as the Greek Catholic and Maronite churches, who recognize the Pope as the Vicar of Christ, and in so doing, they enjoy communion with the Vatican. In many of these non-Roman churches, priests are allowed to marry and even raise families.

If the Greek Catholics and the Maronites only disagree with the Vatican on a few minor doctrinal issues otherwise, what's the disadvantage in casting your lot with one of them if you feel a calling for the clergy?

hunter

(38,313 posts)
31. I imagine it's like serving in the Coast Guard.
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 01:02 AM
Feb 2013

They don't get the aircraft carriers, submarines, and nuclear weapons like the Navy does.

Here's a web site, About Byzantine Catholics:

http://www.byzcath.org/index.php/about-us-mainmenu-60

I have some past positive experiences with them, although the relationship that brought me into that was sort of like a David Lynch version of My Big Fat Greek Wedding with a bloody ending and no wedding.

There's a small Byzantine Catholic community in our own city that meets in the chapel of the local Catholic school, but the majority religion here is Catholic with strong Mexican traditions, which is my wife's religious background. Our family is part of that community.

Personally I'm a heretic and I don't know why anyone would be called to be Catholic clergy at this point in the Church's history. I've met many wonderful Priests, but there are also a some who are dull warm bodies, and a few real stinkers. If the Church wants to survive in the USA and Western Europe they will have to accept women priests and they will have to accept married priests.

I'm not sure how much religion stuck to our kids, but I don't think they've been "called." Since they've both moved out I wouldn't be surprised if they've never attended Mass on their own. We don't pry or expect them to attend Mass during visits with us, but going to Mass is something we do with my wife's parents.

If I'm predicting the future I don't see young adult old grand-kids attending Mass with us. Frankly I'm not sure I see any of us attending Mass. If the corrupt "conservative" faction of the church prevails, the church may not survive.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
27. All kinds of people like sex, who woulda known! Priests and all! Ain't that something!
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:47 PM
Feb 2013
And the rest, they lie.
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
30. Why does Ratzinger feel the need to resign over this?
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:53 AM
Feb 2013

It would be easy for him to just act against those involved.......

..........unless HE is one of those involved, complete with pics........

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