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one_voice

(20,043 posts)
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:41 PM Feb 2013

Image of new black 'barbie' doll sparks questionable outrage...

An image of a brown Barbie doll has surfaced on the internet, causing people to question whether or not it is supposed to be the next African-American Barbie.

The doll is sporting blonde hair, gold chains, cleavage, and two bags that are strikingly similar to the Louis Vuitton monogram multicolor collection.

Many African-Americans find the doll’s appearance offensive; stating that it does not exude the true beauty of African-American women. However, critics have said that the strongly resembles imagery of African-American women that are seen on some of the most famous celebrities, including Beyonce, Rihanna, and Nicki Minaj. The only difference is that the doll’s skin color is a little darker.

Some are even saying that if we want to change the imagery of the black women, we have to start exalting celebrities and other prominent figures in the black community that represent the imagery that we’d like people around the world to embrace.

The authors at NaturallyMoi.com argue that the imagery comes from what our community deems acceptable: “We all know that African-American women come in all shapes, colors, and sizes, so it doesn’t mean that the community cannot embrace multiple images of beauty…As a community, we’ve got to grow out of becoming offended when people of other ethnicities define our appearance and/or actions. They are simply conveying what they believe we support. If we want to change the way we are perceived by other cultures, we have to make the change within ourselves.”


http://kmojfm.com/image-of-new-black-barbie-doll-sparks-questionable-outrage





***the subject line is the actual headline of the story.


edited to add: I have a problem with the fact her breasts are half out of her shirt. That's a malfunction waiting to happen. I don't think a five year old needs to see that.
A five year old little girl needs to learn to respect herself before she learns to let her tits hang out. imo.


edited to add: This doll is NOT made by Mattel







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Image of new black 'barbie' doll sparks questionable outrage... (Original Post) one_voice Feb 2013 OP
Wow Rider3 Feb 2013 #1
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What works both ways? HangOnKids Feb 2013 #20
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Really? That hasn't been my experience HangOnKids Feb 2013 #23
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Sorry you seem to be getting off point HangOnKids Feb 2013 #25
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my daughter now loves these snooper2 Feb 2013 #28
Tell that to the "Housewives of Atlanta" snooper2 Feb 2013 #27
There is no way Mattel made this gollygee Feb 2013 #2
They did not... one_voice Feb 2013 #8
If these fuckers (excuse my French) cared a shit about reality, they'd make this woman a doll: NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #3
Actually, the idea of a Michelle Obama doll is pretty good. amandabeech Feb 2013 #13
like that hasn't been done :P snooper2 Feb 2013 #29
Very nice! amandabeech Feb 2013 #33
No, I want the eye-rolling Michelle doll! Bucky Feb 2013 #34
that bride doll looks like mitt romney JI7 Feb 2013 #38
Hadn't seen the Michelle doll before! How cute Number23 Feb 2013 #44
i'm waiting for the version with Kung Fu Action Grip (n/t) 0rganism Feb 2013 #45
I'm reluctant to link this in any way to the Barbie line RZM Feb 2013 #4
Perhaps when their mommies take off their blonde weaved hair, they will know who they malaise Feb 2013 #5
If she was white she could be a weather/news girl on Fox. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #6
Bling, bling. Gotta be a sick joke. Female companion to Mr. T doll: leveymg Feb 2013 #7
Sort of looks like Mary J. Blige to me. RedSpartan Feb 2013 #9
Your edit really isn't enough. Please put Barbie in quotation marks. cali Feb 2013 #11
It's not my title... one_voice Feb 2013 #12
thank you so much. cali Feb 2013 #19
"she learns to let her tits hang out" MineralMan Feb 2013 #14
Don't lecture me. one_voice Feb 2013 #17
Ah...Orders... MineralMan Feb 2013 #18
I have nipples Focker, Separation Feb 2013 #32
You're so very impressed with yourself... one_voice Feb 2013 #42
As far as the "tits hanging out" comment Separation Feb 2013 #15
When I was growing up I had Barbie.. one_voice Feb 2013 #16
that's because they were trying different outfits on it JI7 Feb 2013 #37
No, at least with my daughter she wasn't. Separation Feb 2013 #47
Ah skin cancer Barbie! whistler162 Feb 2013 #21
I'm African-American and I think the doll in the picture is beautiful....... TheDebbieDee Feb 2013 #30
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Variety would be the right step. BTW, I found a pic of a non-blonde black Barbie Bucky Feb 2013 #35
doesn't the real barbie company actually make those type of dolls ? JI7 Feb 2013 #36
I don't know - do they? It's been literally decades since my daughters TheDebbieDee Feb 2013 #40
When I was little, my mom bought me a beautiful little black doll that had an Afro Number23 Feb 2013 #46
I had a Golliwog doll when I was growing up. Separation Feb 2013 #48
She looks like she digs the bling. zonkers Feb 2013 #39
We're bitching about Black Barbie in a power suit jmowreader Feb 2013 #41
The doll looks like Nikki Minaj to me OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #43

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HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
20. What works both ways?
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:10 PM
Feb 2013

I'm not sure I understand your post. Can you explain what works both ways? Thanks!

Response to HangOnKids (Reply #20)

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
23. Really? That hasn't been my experience
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:18 PM
Feb 2013

For my white daughters I NEVER had any problem buying dolls that were cute and NOT TACKY. For my black niece, well that was a totally different situation. Do you have children you buy toys for?

Response to HangOnKids (Reply #23)

Response to HangOnKids (Reply #25)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. There is no way Mattel made this
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:43 PM
Feb 2013

I'm sure they could be insensitive, but they wouldn't have that neckline.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. If these fuckers (excuse my French) cared a shit about reality, they'd make this woman a doll:
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:44 PM
Feb 2013

There are, of course, millions more more-beautiful-than-Barbie black women, but Michelle comes immediately to mind first.




 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
13. Actually, the idea of a Michelle Obama doll is pretty good.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:12 PM
Feb 2013

She's a great role model and has a great wardrobe.

Maybe she could be presented as her younger self as a Harvard-trained attorney in Chicago, too.

Why not?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
29. like that hasn't been done :P
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:38 PM
Feb 2013


There's a doll for everything..


You can even get your own runaway bride doll




Bucky

(54,013 posts)
34. No, I want the eye-rolling Michelle doll!
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:06 PM
Feb 2013

And maybe they could do her guns a little more justice, y'know?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
44. Hadn't seen the Michelle doll before! How cute
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:12 PM
Feb 2013

I have no idea what's up with the runaway bride doll. No idea at all.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
4. I'm reluctant to link this in any way to the Barbie line
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:45 PM
Feb 2013

The story centers around an image that 'surfaced on the internet,' which isn't much in the way of sourcing. There are tons of people out there who do all sorts of stuff with dolls. Could just be some person's hobby.

malaise

(269,008 posts)
5. Perhaps when their mommies take off their blonde weaved hair, they will know who they
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:51 PM
Feb 2013

are. Way more five year old Afro-children across the globe are exposed to their female Afro-relatives with their bleached skins, weave and dyed hair than to any moronic barbie doll.

A large number of black women are suffering from a serious inferiority complex and barbie is not responsible for that. Don't get me started - I'm a black woman.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. Your edit really isn't enough. Please put Barbie in quotation marks.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:01 PM
Feb 2013

Quite simply this isn't that trademarked item so your op title is misleading.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. "she learns to let her tits hang out"
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:13 PM
Feb 2013

WTF? A five year old? Really? I believe a different choice of words would work better than that.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
17. Don't lecture me.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:04 PM
Feb 2013

You know exactly what I meant. I hardly speak like that to a five year old, unless your copping to being 5.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
18. Ah...Orders...
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:08 PM
Feb 2013

I never was good at those.



Those are "teats," often pronounced "tits." Cows have 'em. Sheep have 'em. Goats have 'em. Humans have breasts. Mens and womens have 'em. "Tits" is a demeaning reference. Always has been.


Dictionaries haz 'em, too:

tit 2 (tt)
n.
1. Vulgar Slang A woman's breast.
2. A teat.
[Middle English, from Old English titt.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


Other vulgar slang terms that are demeaning include dugs, fun bags, and a number of others. None are much used in polite conversation.

Some birds R 'em:



That's a Marsh Tit. Cute, isn't it?

Separation

(1,975 posts)
15. As far as the "tits hanging out" comment
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:59 PM
Feb 2013

If most daughters were like mine growing up, then these barbies will have clothes on for all of 5 minutes before they all end up naked. I would always find it strange that I would find a naked barbie laying around the house, every one in a while there would be on hiding in my boots. Waiting to ambush me as I put them on a 5am, half asleep.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
16. When I was growing up I had Barbie..
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:03 PM
Feb 2013

marathons. I'd play for 12 hours. I loved my barbies. I had the house, the car, whatever. At least till I was 9 and discovered football.

I changed clothes all the time. But the clothes I put on the barbie didn't look like that. What I meant was the outfit, not the breast, half the time I had at leas one naked barbie. But the were naked cuz they didn't have clothes on, they didn't look as if they still needed clothes after they were dressed.

My daughter was like yours growing up too.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
37. that's because they were trying different outfits on it
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:14 PM
Feb 2013

not because they thought they should be naked.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
47. No, at least with my daughter she wasn't.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:20 PM
Feb 2013

Children don't learn that nudity is "bad" until 7ish I would guess. Running around the house naked, girls lifting their skirts up, etc.. My daughters Barbie doll's clothing were normally at the bottom of her toy box.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
30. I'm African-American and I think the doll in the picture is beautiful.......
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:45 PM
Feb 2013

but I also wish that there was a beautiful kinky-haired and a wavy-haired black Barbie for sale as well.

Response to TheDebbieDee (Reply #30)

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
35. Variety would be the right step. BTW, I found a pic of a non-blonde black Barbie
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:09 PM
Feb 2013

I still question its value for setting self-image norms among young girls.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
40. I don't know - do they? It's been literally decades since my daughters
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:48 PM
Feb 2013

were young enough to play with dolls...........

Number23

(24,544 posts)
46. When I was little, my mom bought me a beautiful little black doll that had an Afro
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:18 PM
Feb 2013

Her name was Shindana. And that was in the 70s so there's been lots of types of black dolls for a long time.

Here is a pic. Doesn't look exactly like my doll, but it's pretty close

Separation

(1,975 posts)
48. I had a Golliwog doll when I was growing up.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:30 PM
Feb 2013

I had him until I was 6ish. I know some say they are racist but he was my best friend for years.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
41. We're bitching about Black Barbie in a power suit
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:01 PM
Feb 2013

Is this Executive Barbie, Lawyer Barbie, Corporate Raider Barbie or Publisher Of Ebony Magazine Barbie? Hoochie Mama Barbie probably doesn't know what a linen suit even is.

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