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Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:21 PM Feb 2013

The Cuban vote vs. the Latino vote

I haven’t noticed any pundits talking about the difference in voting between Cuban-Americans and all other Latino-Americans. Is the topic in some way controversial?

Here in Florida, the vote of most of the older generation of Cubans goes Republican. The vote of virtually all the rest of Latinos goes for Democrats. (Many younger Cuban-Americans vote for Democrats, but I don’t have numbers to reference.)

The reason Cubans have historically voted for Republicans is because of Castro, and the Republican’s never-ending anti-Communist rhetoric. Other Latinos couldn’t care less about Cuba. But they do hear Republican rhetoric on immigration. And they recognize it for the bigotry it is.

The Republicans like to hold up Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz as examples of GOP openness to immigration. Both Rubio and Cruz are of Cuban heritage.

So have the pundits been intentionally ignoring this issue? Or has it been covered and I’ve missed it? (Also, I haven’t seen much discussion of this topic here on DU. But I’m here intermittently and may have missed it.)

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jehop61

(1,735 posts)
1. Yes, someone should do a study
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:26 PM
Feb 2013

On the differences in Hispanic cultures. I've lived in Mexico and now in S. Florida. Vast differences between people in both areas. Democrats take note.

Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
2. I'm sure that most politicians,
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:40 PM
Feb 2013

Dem and Republican, are aware of the differences. But today's GOP regards "inclusiveness" as a dirty word.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
3. I'd seen a lot in years past on this (living near Union City, NJ) but have read the new generation
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:46 PM
Feb 2013

is no longer Republican leaning. Yay!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
5. And it's helpful the Cuban community is urban, educated and in areas with really diverse
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:07 PM
Feb 2013

Latino populations. I know that 30 years ago, the older generations from various Caribbean and Central and So American nations had more invested in their nationalism and had little solidarity with other Latinos. But that seems to be fading with their young. Which is awesome.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
7. Cuban "exiles" have been given an entirely different set of circumstances in the U.S.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:44 PM
Feb 2013

Since the revolution, they have been given special status, are protected from harrassment by the I.N.S. unlike ALL other immigrant groups from this hemisphere. Due to conditions of the Cuban Adjustment Act, they are given fast track access to U.S. perks like instant legal status, social security, work visa, social security, welfare, food stamps, US-taxpayer financed Section 8 housing, medical treatment, government assistance for education, etc., etc., etc.

Once they make it to U.S. soil without being intercepted by the US Coast Guard at sea, they are home free. They can arrive without papers, we don't care. They are legal. Their pasts in Cuba simply don't matter.

They share NONE of the hardship suffered by all other immigrant groups from this hemisphere.

Even when George W. Bush was financing, training, outfitting Haitian terrorists in Haiti's next-door neighbor, the Dominican Republic, and they started streaming across the border into Haiti, slaughtering fellow Haitians as they went, on their way to the capital to destroy President Aristide, Haitians who fled the carnage left in boats to try to get to the U.S. for the sake of their lives, and their childrens', and they were caught by Bush's blockade he had posted around the island, and dumped right back out onto the shore to be delivered right into the death machine.

Cuban Congresspeople like Ileana Ros-Lehtinen fought like wildmen in Congress to try to prevent immigration by endangered people in Nicaragua who were trying to flee the same situation as Reagan unleashed his bloody gargoyles upon the impoverished, terrified leftists in Central America, not wanting to allow THEM to find haven here, like the haven found by the Cuban elite after the Cuban revolution.

Cuban immigration has been a powerfully sore point considering how jealously they have guarded and treasured their special status among all U.S. immigrants. It has always seemed even uglier hearing the "exile" class spread their whoppers about how they were terrorized by the Cuban government when it is learned many of them have made visits home to Cuba to visit relatives, etc. over the years, in many cases, many times. They don't seem to feel its anyone's business if they return there or not, even in the face of the fact they have left the country with the belief that the same government is brutal and vicious, and they had to flee from Cuba to save their own lives.

The first time many of us knew exiles go back to Cuba was when the Cuban child, Elian Gonzalez was staying with his great uncle in Miami and it was revealed the great uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez, had met Elian a couple of times earlier, when he made trips to Cuba and stayed with Elian's father and mother, and Elian's father had even given up his bedroom to him at night, sleeping in his own car, so his uncle could fish during the day, spend the evenings in the hotel bars, and crash there at night. Suddenly a lot of us woke up to the fact the story doesn't sound like the baloney we've been hearing all these years!

Closer investigation will reveal this is not an unusual story. It has been happening for many years.

Damed goddawful bunch of crap we were fed about Cuba.

Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
8. Your comment regarding the "special status"
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:27 PM
Feb 2013

of Cubans is right on, Judi Lynn. And possibly one of the reasons that pundits steer clear of the difference between Cubans and all other Latinos.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. I have discussed this with a number of Hispanic friends and clients.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:32 PM
Feb 2013

The Hispanic community is not monolithic and their are deep divides between Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and the Rest with the latter group dominated by Mexican Latinos.

Non Cuban Latinos generally resent Cuban Latinos because they get a pass on immigration and because of that have never done much to help their Hispanic brothers and sisters. For this reason Rubio was shown not to help the ticket outside of Florida.

Every Hispanic I have asked about this agreed that this was a major issue and it makes it doubly important for Rubio to deliver on immigration to get out of the hole that most Hispanics feel about Cubans.

Just speaking Spanish isn't really that important and the different accents remind folks where the speaker is from.

Cuban American politicians have to earn Hispanic support just like an Anglo does, in some cases even more.
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