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In addition to procurement, there are other issues spiraling out of control, including the military health-care system and staffing. While the Pentagon is cutting combat forcestrimming the Army by 72,000 over the next four yearsthe office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has ballooned from 1,313 in 2010 to 4,244 in 2012.
Not every defense dollar is sacrosanct, said former Defense Secretary Robert Gates. One need only spend 10 minutes walking around the Pentagon or any major military headquarters to see excess and redundancy.
But it is sacrosanct in Washington. Defense spending is spread across all states, and the industry is so tightly woven into the fabric of Congress, and the amounts are so huge and campaign donations so important that cutting anything at all, even wasteanother constituents incomeor even something the Pentagon doesnt want, may prove too much for our heroes in Congress.
But Americans arent blind; Congressional job approval ratings have been in the dumpster for years, hitting new lows of 10% twice in 2012, and hovering at 15% currently. Republicans practically despise Congress, with a mere 6% approving of it in January, a new low, though it has since edged up a bit.
http://www.businessinsider.com/budget-hawks-till-something-gets-cut-in-their-districts-2013-2
unhappycamper
(60,364 posts)MineralMan
(146,318 posts)Do, or do not do. There is no try.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Much like the Soviet Union did. Already, over half our budget is taken up by military spending, and that number is going to continue to rise.
Southerner
(113 posts)That is clearly unsustainable.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Other countries spending as a percent of GDP:
1.9% Australia
1.4% Brazil
1.4% Canada
2.0% China
1.9% Egypt
2.2% France
1.3% Germany
2.6% India
1.6% Italy
1.0% Japan
2.8% South Korea
0.5% Mexico
3.0% Pakistan
3.9% Russia
1.3% Sweden
0.9% Switzerland
2.3% Turkey
2.6% United Kingdom
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS
And people argued that a 10% sequestration is going to gut the military and leave the US vulnerable!
Southerner
(113 posts)...and does not contribute to the economy. Are you sure about that?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Relatively little is spent on investment that results in a continuing productive capacity.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Only a fraction of it goes to the people doing the work and putting their wages into the economy. Every dollar the government spends on physical infrastructure, for example, returns $1.92 to the economy. Whereas, of the total DoD budget (projected 2013), of the half trillion dollars they will get, only $150B of that will go to compensation] to service members. IOW, about $350B of that money spent is an economic sinkhole, there is no economic return at all. Every plane, ship bullet, & bomb is a dead loss.
So while defense spending is somewhat stimulating in that people are paid, the vast majority of it is an initial loss, followed by years more loss in maintaining everything that is not used in that same fiscal year.
Edit: See "That's weird" post below for links.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)OceanEcosystem
(275 posts)The comparison of "America is ruining itself with military spending just like the Soviets" isn't mathematically right.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)military during the base closure rounds, and the southern ones were beefed up. It ensures a steady stream of "allowable" pork to flow to those states, and keeps their republican legislators relatively safe.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Much of it is in states like Virginia, Florida, Texas, New Mexico, and California.
There is a huge flow of tax money from northern states to southern states to fund DoD installations and military suppliers.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)MIC is contractors, BRAC only impacted Gov facilities.
We had a lot of military infrastructure left over from all the way back to the civil war. It was time to clean things up.
There was an independent internal process to review all the facilities within the executive branch and release a single list to Congress which could vote up or down on without changes. It was about the best in apolitical approaches available.
Contractors get to choose where they are based. If they need high tech workers, it makes no sense to be in the rust belt. However, if you are making things of metal, it would.
The military has over time moved to warmer areas to facilitate year round training while still maintaining sites in northern bases. You can train new pilots in the south and west year round, not so much in NH.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence economic, political, even spiritual is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.
And in many cases the base and the surrounding contractors are tightly interwoven. A local base closed and its activities were consolidated in a more southerly location. Dozens of contractors pulled up stakes and moved along with the activities. Why would they stay adjacent to a closed base?
And if you go to somewhere like the Norfolk - Newport News area, you'd be hard pressed to separate out the military and industrial components of the complex.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Indirect blood money ...your paycheck.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)johnnyreb
(915 posts)"The B-2 bomber has a piece of it made in every single state to make sure that if you ever try to phase that project out, you will get howls, howls from among the most liberal members of Congress." - Chalmers Johnson (at 38m 39s)