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backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:30 PM Feb 2013

Tesla Motors debunks a New York Times smearjob review of the Tesla S.

http://www.slashgear.com/tesla-tears-down-nyt-model-s-review-with-cars-own-logs-14269310/

Tesla has torn into the New York Times review of its Model S electric car, using systems logs showing charge and recharge status, driving style, cabin settings and more to undermine claims the EV is unreliable. In a detailed run-down of the stats gathered by the Model S’ onboard computer – something Tesla says it always does “carefully” on media drives, after UK car show Top Gear made similar reliability claims about a previous model, in a case which ended up in the courtroom - Tesla CEO Elon Musk argues that NYT reviewer John Broder was prejudiced against electric cars from the start, and did as much as possible to portray the Model S as unfit for the road.

For instance, the onboard logs showing what charge the Model S had at points of the journey, and when Broder decided to recharge, indicate he took the car off the power connection earlier than stated in the original review. “The final leg of his trip was 61 miles and yet he disconnected the charge cable when the range display stated 32 miles” Musk argues. “He did so expressly against the advice of Tesla personnel and in obvious violation of common sense.”

Meanwhile, some of Broder’s claims about how he tried to minimize power consumption are also challenged. Musk points to the typical speeds driven at – 65 to 85 mph – and the average cabin temperature of 72F for the duration of the test, and the fact that the reviewer also actively turned the heating up when charge was getting low.

Broder is even accused of trying to artificially run down the Model S’ battery by more than it would typically, driving “in circles for over half a mile in a tiny, 100-space parking lot” in front of one of Tesla’s Supercharger power stations, in what Musk suggests is an attempt to fully drain the car. Tesla also points out the sheer number of charging points – both its own, and those run by other companies – along the length of Broder’s drive, as a counterpoint to the number of times the reviewer actually stopped to rejuice.
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Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
1. I'm sort of .. impressed? .. that people think they can get away with faking that sort of thing
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:31 PM
Feb 2013

Especially these days. It's not like there aren't eleventy zillion eyes on any possible hatchet job who could readily find proof that "hatchet job" is the only appropriate description.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
2. Another take on it
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:07 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/02/elon-musks-data-doesnt-back-his-claims-new-york-times-fakery/62149/


Elon Musk's long-awaited blog post take-down has arrived with what he claims is the data to prove New York Times reporter John M. Broder committed some sort of journalistic malpractice to run a bad review of the Tesla Model S's range capability. The Times continues to vouch for the accuracy of Broder's report and has another upcoming response to the latest Musk claims, a spokesperson told The Atlantic Wire. Musk, however, has followed through on his promise to publish data logs that he claims show that Broder (and not the car) was to blame for it stalling out on a cold day in Connecticut. But Musk is really going beyond that to a much more serious charge: he claims Broder deliberately set out to sabotage the test in a blatant violation of journalistic ethics.

Musk accuses Broder of thinking "the facts shouldn’t get in the way of a salacious story" (which is an odd choice of adjective for a car review) and "When the facts didn’t suit his opinion, he simply changed the facts." Musk, who's earned quite a following after the glowing media coverage of his impressive futuristic empire (he's also the entrepreneur behind private space flight company SpaceX) saw his missive cheered along on Twitter, with some calling Tesla's evidence "damning," "amazing" and "powerful." But do all the annotated charts, lines, and points prove Musk's assertion that Broder staged his road trip to deliberately make the car run out of power? Let's take a look.

Argument 1: Broder took a long detour in Manhattan, which would add up to more miles. Tesla doesn't put any data behind that assertion, only saying he took an "an unplanned detour through downtown Manhattan to give his brother a ride."

Convincing? No. The other charts indicate the trip took a little over 500 miles, which matches up to the mileage Broder gives on his map, which total up to 529 miles. Google Maps claims, with a stop in Manhattan, the trip would take around 500 miles.


much more at link

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
4. I read the article. It seems like a balanced report of the two sides of this argument.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:09 PM
Feb 2013

I get the sense from it overall that Broder didn't mind that the Tesla "failed" his test. If for not other reason, it made for an interesting read. Face it, "I got from point A to point B without any problem" isn't terribly exciting to read (or write either, I would guess.)

wandy

(3,539 posts)
3. Another reason why our 'red footed friends' don't want cars to have 'black boxes'......
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:21 PM
Feb 2013

Finigals law..

* Never tell a computer 'forget it'. It will.
* Never lie to a computer. It keeps log records you know!

Tesla: Trying to bring us to the future, even if some of don't want to go there.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
6. Musk did provide the car's log data to back up his claims.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:37 PM
Feb 2013

Link here to Musk's own article on what happened, with graphs from the car's log data to back him up.

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
8. You're welcome to your opinion...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:20 PM
Feb 2013

...but this broken clock headed the companies that succeeded in making electric cars cool and making the Falcon rocket and Dragon capsule. This broken clock has more vision than most.

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