(Dorner) SB Sheriff dept press conference on CNN now...nt

[jmg257]

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. MSNBC as well

[longship]

2. Please fill in us non-cable folks.

No cable here. No broadband either.

Please update this thread.

Thank you much.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Cannot positively say it as him

Coroner working to confirm.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Not intentionally burned that cabin

Asking on scanner traffic, tear gas that is pyrotechnic as referred as burners.

[RedCappedBandit]

40. I was wondering about that

Wonder if any DUers can personally confirm that 'burner' actually means tear gas.

[IcyPeas]

5. saying fire was not intentional

[Cali_Democrat]

16. What a load.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Nobody was renting that cabin

No forced entry

[HipChick]

11. they never checked it,I'd bet..

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Even if they did, after a search pattern

You keep an eye on already well trodden terrain

[RebelOne]

22. The owner of the rental cabins called the San Bernadino Sheriff's office

and said that all the cabins were vacant.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. I was transcribing

[IcyPeas]

7. no more questions. that was quick!

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. The questions were getting too hot

And "speculative."

It will add to the CT fire.

[jmg257]

8. Other then the above, and a bit about the 2 shot deputies, a big nothing. Nt

[longship]

12. Well, they're gonna have to get an archeologist to ID.

Just kidding. But ID may take some time. I don't envy the coroner. Better call "Bones".

[HipChick]

10. What a waste of time...they fucked up,they know it,the press knows it

refused to answer any questions and left...
this is all very,very strange...

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Well they went into what I suspected happened with tear gas

But they know the scanner traffic is out there...questions were asked...and whether they are right or not, it just looks bad. They started to get nervous when the "burner" questions came up.

[arthritisR_US]

18. Sounds like, aside from the cabin, they have

a lot of smouldering fires to put out. Thanks for the info

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Yup, the press is asking the obvious questions.

Not related, but reminds me of a hazmat incident. I asked the assistant chief what chemical was involved? (They had the chemistry lab on wheels otherwise known as a hazmat truck on the scene, with another hazmat unit)

I don't know.

I pressed the chief, I used to do firefighting like for real. They knew, the trucks can identify commonly encountered chemicals fairly fast, and medic crews need that info to treat patients.

Well two hours later we got what it was. Malathion. They hate it when the reporter has half a clue.

[arthritisR_US]

26. OMG, yep a knowledgable press is like disinfectant

on an open wound...stings like hell. You have such an interesting history

[luvs2sing]

30. Adding to the flames...

for those who were listening to the scanner is the number of times the dispatcher said the fire department was asking if they should move in and were held back by the sheriff's dept.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. With the words ammo s still cooking off

I heard that...even posted a PSA on why having lots of ammo at home and a fire will lead to stand back orders. The problem here is evidence.

[luvs2sing]

32. You're right...

I remember that now.

[kestrel91316]

34. Of course they are nervous. They might be looking at a wrongful death lawsuit

if there is enough evidence that they tried to hard to burn the place and not hard enough to get him out without burning it.

[IcyPeas]

15. Ex Police Chief Bratton just said it was an "unusual" press conference

considering all of the questions that are out there. He called it "unusual".

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Ya think?

But Te other thing I have noticed is LAPD (current or in this case former) trying to drive the pr campaign. Which is even more odd. Like, looked here, nothing to see here.

[kestrel91316]

35. They want to control the conversation so it doesn't drift back toward Dorner's possibly very

legitimate accusations against LAPD.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Yup

And now two other former officers.

[theglammistress]

19. This investigation stinks to high hell

The press is on to the crap cop job on this one. The burner scanner traffic is out everywhere now and the cops look foolish denying they started that fire. And of course the cops wouldn't answer the question "Was Dorner given the chance to surrender?" That's when the press conference was shut down.

I don't support Dorner. He was (is?) a crazed murderer, but I don't doubt corruption by the LAPD. And last night, officials coming out saying they had the body of Dorner, then 'Oh no! There's no body yet!' - completely ridiculous. Anyone who's ever covered a fatal fire knows it was WAY too early to positively say there was a body inside, but the cops were adamant early, panicked and retracted.

Don't even get me started on the cops shooting anyone and everything that moved as part of their "investigation."

Just plain fishy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. The we found body was Riverside

The too early was LAPD. There is this one upmanship going on as well.

[longship]

24. Corruption by LAPD??

The occurrences near Big Bear had nothing to do with LAPD.

What happened yesterday was San Bernardino county Sheriffs and helpers, no doubt under operational orders by the county.

LA is miles from Big Bear. No LAPD there last night.

[theglammistress]

27. I was refering to Dorner's manifesto on the LAPD

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Correction, they were cooling their heels at the airport

Waiting to deploy on orders of Riverside Sheriffs. That little tidbit angered LAPD. They sent them to Riverside, but...it was not their jurisdiction.

That was reported by the LA times.

[longship]

33. Well, that's probably for the better.

I lived in Ontario for ten years, so I know that area of San Bernardino county a bit. Visited Big Bear, Lake Arrowhead, San Berdoo, and environs many times. The mountains are lovely.

The one thing I miss about SoCal... That, and some great Mexican food. Here in rural MI all we have is Taco Smell... Er, Bell.

Nevertheless, I stand corrected. Keep me honest, Nadine.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Well, we went for a drive yesterday

I will be visiting Julian a few times during fire season. So, cooling our heels in the cold winter air (we are wimps, only 40) while drinking coffee and watching the word go bye.

We found a group of Irvine motor cops (25 of them) there...for a training ride.

Shall we say we went to the scanner...

[tblue]

43. I grew up down there.

Best Mexican food anywhere. This whole story is so sad.

[longship]

45. Clusterfuck! The only term that fits. nt

[SoCalMusicLover]

25. They Are Right, And That's All There Is To It

Anybody who questions their facts of the case, are conspiracy nuts. Everybody is just jumping to conclusions. Anybody knows that "burners" refers to non-flammable tear gas. Accusing the good-guy cops of any malicious actions, is patently unfair and unjustified.

Cops are like lawyers. They're often paid to LIE, and make sure that the facts they put in their reports, are the facts which everyone accepts as such. We all know that cops are above reproach, and even suggesting otherwise, makes you a conspiracy weirdo.

No more questions please.

[longship]

29. And that Dorner was a real angel?

Not that you said that.

But maybe you ought to consider...

That when a bad guy shoots at a cop, that the cop(s) are very likely going to shoot back.

When police officers are shot at, and some are shot by a guy, the police will definitely take an action they wouldn't normally take. The guy lying there bleeding/dying may well be a respected friend. Other innocent people in the area could be in extreme peril if the guy gets loose.

Then, there's his manifesto. Whatever you make of it, it outlines his intent to kill people with no regards than to inflict guilt on innocents to get at the putative guilty. In no world do I call that justice.

That Dorner was a cop. He knows how police react to these things. Yet, he did what he did anyway.

Knowing that. I would authorize deadly force in a second. In fact, every police officer is probably authorized to use deadly force in such a situation.

Now, the fire? I hope it was accidental, but I am not sure. However, at that time the SB sheriffs had every right to shoot to kill.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. None is saying he was an angel

But many of us are raising questions. And two other ex officers confirming what Doner claimed (not shocking if you know any of LAPD) should make people ask the other relevant question...what the hell is going on inside the Los Angeles Police Dept?

[longship]

41. Oh, I agree with you there.

But some people are questioning the ethics of LE killing Dorner up near Big Bear. I am arguing that he, of all people, should have known the consequences of shooting cops. His manifesto alone would have LE on edge and justifiably alarmed.

Some people apparently thought they should have just handcuffed him and brought him in for trial. I have been merely pointing out that every cop on this case knew that was probably not in the cards.

I've said it all along here. This is a clusterfuck.

If the LAPD gets looked at because of this, that's good. But regardless, nobody wins when these things happen. Nobody.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Opening paragraph, he knew.

But I think there was a very dangerous, never before used option in the US, would have qualified as an attempt...anesthesia gas. (Which I might add, is also highly flammable)

[tblue]

44. So much funner to just kill the man.

I don't doubt they wanted him gone and finished.


Well, they got their wish. Maybe it was his too.

[theglammistress]

38. I agree with you

I still think the investigation is fishy as I noted up-thread, but I believe the cops were correct in using deadly force. Dorner was a threat to civilians in addition to armed police.